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    Axrendale

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    jenwenluvzutara wrote:

    but there were still several times when katara could have talked to aang. also, i never said forgiveness was love. i just said katara might not hate zuko since, she'll forgive him like jet.

    anyways, i watched all the episodes before and i know it front and back. ill only talk about 2 eps right now.

    katara stared at aang at the end of the fortuneteller, but during the show, she paid little attention to him and only after sokka said that aang was a powerful bender did katara stare and aang. even that doesn't prove anything. how many powerful benders do u see in avatar, like a billion! lets just say katara will marry a powerful bender, aang is a candidate, but so is zuko and haru and master pakku and king bumi, and so many others. i jking in some, but there r a lot of candidates for katara. if aang's so powerful, plus he's the avatar, wouldn't the fortuneteller say to katara, "u will marry the greatest bender"? instead of just a powerful bender?

    the desert is just another example of y kataang might not work. here we see aang's willingness to give up everything for appa. he's distressed and if i were katara, i would lose it on him because he was a big pain in the desert. we see how little aang understands katara. he even yells at katara saying, "wut r u doing?!" seriously, i would have yelled at aang for that. "wut right do u have to yell at me when i am trying to get us out of this fricken desert?!" (jk) but katara didnt yell because she knows aang is in distress and tries her best to treat him kindly. wut does aang do? he does nothing to acknowledge katara. (man i suck at explaining! how do i say it right?) so here we get a glimps of wut could really happen if kataang happened. katara is sympathetic to aang. aang can't understand katara and cant help katara with her needs. it's easy to realize how much katara gave for aang. she left home, she gave up everything for aang and yet she gets nothing in return, like a mother to a child. this ties in with the awakening. katara's needs couldn't be tended with, and aang is again, not worrying about katara's feelings.

    so that was acually 3 eps. yeah, so i suck at explaining so ask if u dont understand anything.

    When Katara stared at Aang in the fortuneteller, it seemed pretty obvious that she was considering Aang as her "very powerful bender". It is notable that it ws in the episode directly after that (Bato of the Water Tribe) that she kissed Aang on the cheek for the first time (after he had just returned to her the betrothal necklace that was her most prized possession).

    For me, the end of the desert has always been one of the best kataang moments in the series. In the moment when everyone else is simply running for it, Katara is the one who sticks by Aang and refuses to leave his side, helping to bring him out of the avatar state. It was the combination of the music, the scene, the plain feel of that moment that made it simply beautiful to watch.

    You say that Aang contributes nothing to the relationship, and that he has never helped Katara, but you are only bring up examples where Aang was the one who needed help, not Katara. A couple of examples of Aang helping Katara can be found in:

    The Boy in the Iceburg:

    We have seen several times over the series that loosening up and having fun is somthing of a problem for Katara. Aang is the person who can help her unbend (no pun intended) and relax every once in a while.

    The Waterbending Scroll:

    By Katara's own admission she could never have mastered the water whip without Aang. Katara was being just as much of a jerk in this episode as Aang in later episodes, and yet when the time came, he forgave her without a second thought. There can be no doubt that Aang was definitely the one helping Katara in this chapter.

    The Fortuneteller/Bato of the Water Tribe:

    It is Aang who was able to help Katara with her biggest temporary loss in Season 1 - her mothers necklace. As well as Aang's well meaning attempt to fashion her a replacement in 114, he was later able to recover the original.

    The Awakening:

    I think that it was in this episode that Katara comes closest to saying why she really needs Aang (though there are hints of it in "The Storm"). Aang is her bedrock, the certainty in her life that she can depend upon. Right from the start it has been made clear that while everybody else abandoned hope, Katara, ever the optimist, was the one who never lost faith, who maintained a belief that some day the Avatar would return to save the world. Aang is that hope made manifest, what Katara sees as the personified object of her hope, trust, belief in what's right - in short, the things that make her Katara. That is why she is so mad at Zuko in WAT; it was his fault that Aang almost got killed, his fault that the basis of everything Katara believes in was almost takan away from her.

    I think that another kataang moment that needs to mentioned is the hug at the end of The Siege of the North, part 2. When all is said and done Aang and Katara are two people who have been through hell together, and have come out of it alive by being able to depend on eachother, and it is this that has forged a bond between them that is the basis of Kataang.

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    suss2it

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    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:

    but there were still several times when katara could have talked to aang. also, i never said forgiveness was love. i just said katara might not hate zuko since, she'll forgive him like jet.

    anyways, i watched all the episodes before and i know it front and back. ill only talk about 2 eps right now.

    katara stared at aang at the end of the fortuneteller, but during the show, she paid little attention to him and only after sokka said that aang was a powerful bender did katara stare and aang. even that doesn't prove anything. how many powerful benders do u see in avatar, like a billion! lets just say katara will marry a powerful bender, aang is a candidate, but so is zuko and haru and master pakku and king bumi, and so many others. i jking in some, but there r a lot of candidates for katara. if aang's so powerful, plus he's the avatar, wouldn't the fortuneteller say to katara, "u will marry the greatest bender"? instead of just a powerful bender?

    the desert is just another example of y kataang might not work. here we see aang's willingness to give up everything for appa. he's distressed and if i were katara, i would lose it on him because he was a big pain in the desert. we see how little aang understands katara. he even yells at katara saying, "wut r u doing?!" seriously, i would have yelled at aang for that. "wut right do u have to yell at me when i am trying to get us out of this fricken desert?!" (jk) but katara didnt yell because she knows aang is in distress and tries her best to treat him kindly. wut does aang do? he does nothing to acknowledge katara. (man i suck at explaining! how do i say it right?) so here we get a glimps of wut could really happen if kataang happened. katara is sympathetic to aang. aang can't understand katara and cant help katara with her needs. it's easy to realize how much katara gave for aang. she left home, she gave up everything for aang and yet she gets nothing in return, like a mother to a child. this ties in with the awakening. katara's needs couldn't be tended with, and aang is again, not worrying about katara's feelings.

    so that was acually 3 eps. yeah, so i suck at explaining so ask if u dont understand anything.

    When Katara stared at Aang in the fortuneteller, it seemed pretty obvious that she was considering Aang as her "very powerful bender". It is notable that it ws in the episode directly after that (Bato of the Water Tribe) that she kissed Aang on the cheek for the first time (after he had just returned to her the betrothal necklace that was her most prized possession,).

    That Zuko stole. And all your other points are really good, I think it's fairly obvious that Kataang will happen, and if not, definitely not Zutara. With the amount of episodes left, it would be very illogical if those two miraculously just fell in love, and decide to get into a relationship.
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    Axrendale wrote:
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    Axrendale: I'll get you tomorrow. It's too late right now.

    *bursts in spoiling for a fight*

    *looks around and sees that opponent has failed to show up*

    *drops to knees*

    daveshanFromGMU, WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Well, I'm back. Before I reply to anything else, I'd like to throw in some fluff that I noticed.

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    ColtsPenguins

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    funny daveshan
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    @Sussit: Zuko didn't steal the necklace. He found it on the drilling platform. True, he knew who it belonged to, but he did not steal it.

    Axrendale wrote:

    When Katara stared at Aang in the fortuneteller, it seemed pretty obvious that she was considering Aang as her "very powerful bender". It is notable that it ws in the episode directly after that (Bato of the Water Tribe) that she kissed Aang on the cheek for the first time (after he had just returned to her the betrothal necklace that was her most prized possession).

    There is no denying that she considered it. However, how happy did she seem by it? Here's a girl who was practically drooling over every last detail about her future husband and family, yet, as soon as it pings that this guy that she knows, the avatar of all people, could be her future husband, she stands there with a rather disappointed look on her face. Don't you think she would have been jumping up and down, doing flips, and hanging on Aang's every word? She was practically doing that for Wu's prediction.

    Axrendale wrote:
    For me, the end of the desert has always been one of the best kataang moments in the series. In the moment when everyone else is simply running for it, Katara is the one who sticks by Aang and refuses to leave his side, helping to bring him out of the avatar state. It was the combination of the music, the scene, the plain feel of that moment that made it simply beautiful to watch.

    That was a sweet moment to watch. It looked just like a mother, comforting her child when he lost his puppy.

    Axrendale wrote:
    You say that Aang contributes nothing to the relationship, and that he has never helped Katara, but you are only bring up examples where Aang was the one who needed help, not Katara. A couple of examples of Aang helping Katara can be found in:

    The Boy in the Iceburg:

    We have seen several times over the series that loosening up and having fun is somthing of a problem for Katara. Aang is the person who can help her unbend (no pun intended) and relax every once in a while.

    Everyone helps Katara do that throughout. Sokka and Toph have had their hand in a few moments. What you are saying is like me saying that only Katara's actions made Zuko change sides.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Waterbending Scroll:

    By Katara's own admission she could never have mastered the water whip without Aang. Katara was being just as much of a jerk in this episode as Aang in later episodes, and yet when the time came, he forgave her without a second thought. There can be no doubt that Aang was definitely the one helping Katara in this chapter.

    Wow, a friend helped out another friend with something that the first friend was already good at. Such an uber shipping moment.

    Face it, you're stretching it there.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Fortuneteller/Bato of the Water Tribe:

    It is Aang who was able to help Katara with her biggest temporary loss in Season 1 - her mothers necklace. As well as Aang's well meaning attempt to fashion her a replacement in 114, he was later able to recover the original.

    That was not a big loss for her. Did you notice how non-chalant she was after the initial shock of losing her necklace passed? And it took less than a minute to pass.

    Again, you're reaching here.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Awakening:

    I think that it was in this episode that Katara comes closest to saying why she really needs Aang (though there are hints of it in "The Storm"). Aang is her bedrock, the certainty in her life that she can depend upon. Right from the start it has been made clear that while everybody else abandoned hope, Katara, ever the optimist, was the one who never lost faith, who maintained a belief that some day the Avatar would return to save the world. Aang is that hope made manifest, what Katara sees as the personified object of her hope, trust, belief in what's right - in short, the things that make her Katara. That is why she is so mad at Zuko in WAT; it was his fault that Aang almost got killed, his fault that the basis of everything Katara believes in was almost takan away from her.

    See, "The Awakening" for me is why Katara and Aang won't be together for the same reason that CoD is proof that Zuko and Katara won't get together for Kataangers. If it was going to happen, it would have happened there.

    Everything was set. The mood from the music and candles, they had just come out of a near-death moment, the romantic and heart-felt emotion that came when Aang said "But you saved me" all said "Katara and Aang will hook-up right now!" Yet, they didn't. If they weren't going to get together during that, they aren't getting together at all.

    SotN response is pretty much the same as "The Awakening" response.

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    ColtsPenguins wrote:
    funny daveshan

    Thanks

    Edited on 07/16/2008 9:23am
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    jenwenluvzutara

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    i don't know, im more of a disprover than a prover! if i tried to prove zutara, a lot of it would come from the "zutara evidence girl" who u all pretty much hate. i have a lot to say about zutara, but even if i make up new stuff, it wuld be derived from the ZEFiD series.
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    Spacerac

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    *sniff* Beautiful! There's just something in my eye... Got it. Lousy eyelash...

    EDIT: I was referring to Axrendale.

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    jenwenluvzutara

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    Axrendale wrote:

    The Awakening

    I think that it was in this episode that Katara comes closest to saying why she really needs Aang (though there are hints of it in "The Storm"). Aang is her bedrock, the certainty in her life that she can depend upon. Right from the start it has been made clear that while everybody else abandoned hope, Katara, ever the optimist, was the one who never lost faith, who maintained a belief that some day the Avatar would return to save the world. Aang is that hope made manifest, what Katara sees as the personified object of her hope, trust, belief in what's right - in short, the things that make her Katara. That is why she is so mad at Zuko in WAT; it was his fault that Aang almost got killed, his fault that the basis of everything Katara believes in was almost takan away from her.

    I think that another kataang moment that needs to mentioned is the hug at the end of The Siege of the North, part 2. When all is said and done Aang and Katara are two people who have been through hell together, and have come out of it alive by being able to depend on eachother, and it is this that has forged a bond between them that is the basis of Kataang.

    The thing is, I think that you hit it staight on about how Katara feels about Aang. He is her hope. But does that mean kataang? no, it means that katara lost so much in the war that she needs the avatar to end her suffering and everyone else's. could her protective nature towards aang truly show her feelings? now that i think about it, yeah, cause protective nature+optimism=katara needs aang to save the world. (sort of jk) katara doesn't need aang to luv her or be there to give her comfort. i just realized that. she can find that comfort from someone else, like zuko (CoD) or her dad. katara needs aang to save the world. she doens't want him to luv her or have an attachment to her to the point that he gives up the world for her. basically katara views aang as her savior and last hope for the world.

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    Spacerac

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    You're comparing that to a lost puppy? How could you downplay that very serious moment like that?! You obviously have no respect for this show and are only in it for your ship if you deny the true intents of all these Kataang moments. I say that because Kataang is the DNA of the show that conveniently comes with it's own theme song. Just wait until July 19th when you and other unreasonable Zutarians get shut down yet again, indefinitely. As for me, now shouldn't be a time of fighting anyway, so I'm just going to forget the wank and enjoy the show.
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    wiseone_777

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    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    The Awakening

    I think that it was in this episode that Katara comes closest to saying why she really needs Aang (though there are hints of it in "The Storm"). Aang is her bedrock, the certainty in her life that she can depend upon. Right from the start it has been made clear that while everybody else abandoned hope, Katara, ever the optimist, was the one who never lost faith, who maintained a belief that some day the Avatar would return to save the world. Aang is that hope made manifest, what Katara sees as the personified object of her hope, trust, belief in what's right - in short, the things that make her Katara. That is why she is so mad at Zuko in WAT; it was his fault that Aang almost got killed, his fault that the basis of everything Katara believes in was almost takan away from her.

    I think that another kataang moment that needs to mentioned is the hug at the end of The Siege of the North, part 2. When all is said and done Aang and Katara are two people who have been through hell together, and have come out of it alive by being able to depend on eachother, and it is this that has forged a bond between them that is the basis of Kataang.

    The thing is, I think that you hit it staight on about how Katara feels about Aang. He is her hope. But does that mean kataang? no, it means that katara lost so much in the war that she needs the avatar to end her suffering and everyone else's. could her protective nature towards aang truly show her feelings? now that i think about it, yeah, cause protective nature+optimism=katara needs aang to save the world. (sort of jk) katara doesn't need aang to luv her or be there to give her comfort. i just realized that. she can find that comfort from someone else, like zuko (CoD) or her dad. katara needs aang to save the world. she doens't want him to luv her or have an attachment to her to the point that he gives up the world for her. basically katara views aang as her savior and last hope for the world.

    There's more love for Aang than Zuko.
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    Axrendale

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    @Sussit: Zuko didn't steal the necklace. He found it on the drilling platform. True, he knew who it belonged to, but he did not steal it.

    Axrendale wrote:

    When Katara stared at Aang in the fortuneteller, it seemed pretty obvious that she was considering Aang as her "very powerful bender". It is notable that it ws in the episode directly after that (Bato of the Water Tribe) that she kissed Aang on the cheek for the first time (after he had just returned to her the betrothal necklace that was her most prized possession).

    There is no denying that she considered it. However, how happy did she seem by it? Here's a girl who was practically drooling over every last detail about her future husband and family, yet, as soon as it pings that this guy that she knows, the avatar of all people, could be her future husband, she stands there with a rather disappointed look on her face. Don't you think she would have been jumping up and down, doing flips, and hanging on Aang's every word? She was practically doing that for Wu's prediction.

    Axrendale wrote:
    For me, the end of the desert has always been one of the best kataang moments in the series. In the moment when everyone else is simply running for it, Katara is the one who sticks by Aang and refuses to leave his side, helping to bring him out of the avatar state. It was the combination of the music, the scene, the plain feel of that moment that made it simply beautiful to watch.

    That was a sweet moment to watch. It looked just like a mother, comforting her child when he lost his puppy.

    Axrendale wrote:
    You say that Aang contributes nothing to the relationship, and that he has never helped Katara, but you are only bring up examples where Aang was the one who needed help, not Katara. A couple of examples of Aang helping Katara can be found in:

    The Boy in the Iceburg:

    We have seen several times over the series that loosening up and having fun is somthing of a problem for Katara. Aang is the person who can help her unbend (no pun intended) and relax every once in a while.

    Everyone helps Katara do that throughout. Sokka and Toph have had their hand in a few moments. What you are saying is like me saying that only Katara's actions made Zuko change sides.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Waterbending Scroll:

    By Katara's own admission she could never have mastered the water whip without Aang. Katara was being just as much of a jerk in this episode as Aang in later episodes, and yet when the time came, he forgave her without a second thought. There can be no doubt that Aang was definitely the one helping Katara in this chapter.

    Wow, a friend helped out another friend with something that the first friend was already good at. Such an uber shipping moment.

    Face it, you're stretching it there.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Fortuneteller/Bato of the Water Tribe:

    It is Aang who was able to help Katara with her biggest temporary loss in Season 1 - her mothers necklace. As well as Aang's well meaning attempt to fashion her a replacement in 114, he was later able to recover the original.

    That was not a big loss for her. Did you notice how non-chalant she was after the initial shock of losing her necklace passed? And it took less than a minute to pass.

    Again, you're reaching here.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Awakening:

    I think that it was in this episode that Katara comes closest to saying why she really needs Aang (though there are hints of it in "The Storm"). Aang is her bedrock, the certainty in her life that she can depend upon. Right from the start it has been made clear that while everybody else abandoned hope, Katara, ever the optimist, was the one who never lost faith, who maintained a belief that some day the Avatar would return to save the world. Aang is that hope made manifest, what Katara sees as the personified object of her hope, trust, belief in what's right - in short, the things that make her Katara. That is why she is so mad at Zuko in WAT; it was his fault that Aang almost got killed, his fault that the basis of everything Katara believes in was almost takan away from her.

    See, "The Awakening" for me is why Katara and Aang won't be together for the same reason that CoD is proof that Zuko and Katara won't get together for Kataangers. If it was going to happen, it would have happened there.

    Everything was set. The mood from the music and candles, they had just come out of a near-death moment, the romantic and heart-felt emotion that came when Aang said "But you saved me" all said "Katara and Aang will hook-up right now!" Yet, they didn't. If they weren't going to get together during that, they aren't getting together at all.

    SotN response is pretty much the same as "The Awakening" response.

    Okay, here we go again.

    The Fortuneteller:

    I disagree with you that Katara was disappointed. Shocked would more like it. The point is that this was the first moment when she considered Aang as a potentially somthing more than a friend. It was by no means immediate, but it was at that point that her behavior towards Aang definitely began to shift. I say it again, I feel there was a reason that Aang's first cheek kiss came in the next episode.

    The Desert:

    Katara was undoubtably comforting Aang, but motherly? No. Any trace of Katara acting motherly towards Aang was gone by the end of season 1. I view her efforts to comfort Aang from then on not as motherly, but as at the very least a concerned friend. Her attempt in this episode to comfort Aang was no more motherly than was her attempt to heal Zuko in CoD.

    The Boy in the Iceburg:

    When have either Sokka or Toph managed to get Katara to genuinly lighten up and have fun? Before you say it, the Runaway does not count - Katara was only doing that as an attempt to convince Toph that she knew how to have fun.

    The Waterbending Scroll:

    Aang helped katar out with somthing she was already good at? I wouldn't exactly describe Katara as "good at waterbending" in this episode. She herself admitted that she could never have done it without him. And his easy forgivness of Katara shows that Aang too knows how to be caring and understanding of other people.

    Katara's necklace:

    I'm not saying that it was a huge, huge loss for her. But it was a loss, you cannot deny that, and Aang did his best to help her with that loss.

    Sure Katara gives Aang a lot more help in his personal life than he gives her, but it is definitely not the one way flow that some people make out, and it's balanced out by the fact that he's probably saved their lives more than she has.

    The CoD scene was never going to be the place where Katara got together with Zuko. That's just insanity. She might have forgiven him at that point, but gotten together with him? Nope.

    Likewise, I never expected the scene at the end of the Awakening to be the scene Kataang happened. Katara was simply glad to have found Aang again, so glad that all she could do was cry as she held him close to her. Apparently her feelings toward Aang are a lot stronger than Sokka and Toph's. That wasn't the scene I was refering to anyway. The scene I was refering to was her slightly earlier conversation with her father, in which what she was basically saying was simple: She needs Aang. If you couldn't catch that bit of subtext, I don't know what I can say to convince you of it.

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    jenwenluvzutara

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    i know it's random, but does anyone not believe in the book Sozin's Comet? Part of me does, and part of me says, it really makes no since at all.
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    [QUOTE="Axrendale"]
    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    @Sussit: Zuko didn't steal the necklace. He found it on the drilling platform. True, he knew who it belonged to, but he did not steal it.

    Axrendale wrote:

    When Katara stared at Aang in the fortuneteller, it seemed pretty obvious that she was considering Aang as her "very powerful bender". It is notable that it ws in the episode directly after that (Bato of the Water Tribe) that she kissed Aang on the cheek for the first time (after he had just returned to her the betrothal necklace that was her most prized possession).

    There is no denying that she considered it. However, how happy did she seem by it? Here's a girl who was practically drooling over every last detail about her future husband and family, yet, as soon as it pings that this guy that she knows, the avatar of all people, could be her future husband, she stands there with a rather disappointed look on her face. Don't you think she would have been jumping up and down, doing flips, and hanging on Aang's every word? She was practically doing that for Wu's prediction.

    Axrendale wrote:
    For me, the end of the desert has always been one of the best kataang moments in the series. In the moment when everyone else is simply running for it, Katara is the one who sticks by Aang and refuses to leave his side, helping to bring him out of the avatar state. It was the combination of the music, the scene, the plain feel of that moment that made it simply beautiful to watch.

    That was a sweet moment to watch. It looked just like a mother, comforting her child when he lost his puppy.

    Axrendale wrote:
    You say that Aang contributes nothing to the relationship, and that he has never helped Katara, but you are only bring up examples where Aang was the one who needed help, not Katara. A couple of examples of Aang helping Katara can be found in:

    The Boy in the Iceburg:

    We have seen several times over the series that loosening up and having fun is somthing of a problem for Katara. Aang is the person who can help her unbend (no pun intended) and relax every once in a while.

    Everyone helps Katara do that throughout. Sokka and Toph have had their hand in a few moments. What you are saying is like me saying that only Katara's actions made Zuko change sides.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Waterbending Scroll:

    By Katara's own admission she could never have mastered the water whip without Aang. Katara was being just as much of a jerk in this episode as Aang in later episodes, and yet when the time came, he forgave her without a second thought. There can be no doubt that Aang was definitely the one helping Katara in this chapter.

    Wow, a friend helped out another friend with something that the first friend was already good at. Such an uber shipping moment.

    Face it, you're stretching it there.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Fortuneteller/Bato of the Water Tribe:

    It is Aang who was able to help Katara with her biggest temporary loss in Season 1 - her mothers necklace. As well as Aang's well meaning attempt to fashion her a replacement in 114, he was later able to recover the original.

    That was not a big loss for her. Did you notice how non-chalant she was after the initial shock of losing her necklace passed? And it took less than a minute to pass.

    Again, you're reaching here.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Awakening:

    I think that it was in this episode that Katara comes closest to saying why she really needs Aang (though there are hints of it in "The Storm"). Aang is her bedrock, the certainty in her life that she can depend upon. Right from the start it has been made clear that while everybody else abandoned hope, Katara, ever the optimist, was the one who never lost faith, who maintained a belief that some day the Avatar would return to save the world. Aang is that hope made manifest, what Katara sees as the personified object of her hope, trust, belief in what's right - in short, the things that make her Katara. That is why she is so mad at Zuko in WAT; it was his fault that Aang almost got killed, his fault that the basis of everything Katara believes in was almost takan away from her.

    See, "The Awakening" for me is why Katara and Aang won't be together for the same reason that CoD is proof that Zuko and Katara won't get together for Kataangers. If it was going to happen, it would have happened there.

    Everything was set. The mood from the music and candles, they had just come out of a near-death moment, the romantic and heart-felt emotion that came when Aang said "But you saved me" all said "Katara and Aang will hook-up right now!" Yet, they didn't. If they weren't going to get together during that, they aren't getting together at all.

    SotN response is pretty much the same as "The Awakening" response.

    Axrendale wrote:

    Okay, here we go again.

    The Fortuneteller:

    I disagree with you that Katara was disappointed. Shocked would more like it. The point is that this was the first moment when she considered Aang as a potentially somthing more than a friend. It was by no means immediate, but it was at that point that her behavior towards Aang definitely began to shift. I say it again, I feel there was a reason that Aang's first cheek kiss came in the next episode.

    I say the timing of the first kiss was a coincidence. He had just returned her mother's necklace. Of course that deserves a kiss on the cheek. I still question how Katara was ready to do back-flips for Wu to know about her future husband, then, when she realizes that Aang's a contestant, she doesn't fondle him all over.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Desert:

    Katara was undoubtably comforting Aang, but motherly? No. Any trace of Katara acting motherly towards Aang was gone by the end of season 1. I view her efforts to comfort Aang from then on not as motherly, but as at the very least a concerned friend. Her attempt in this episode to comfort Aang was no more motherly than was her attempt to heal Zuko in CoD.

    "You need a hug" -Serpent's pass

    Yes, there are more, but I'm not going to go digging for all of them.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Boy in the Iceburg:

    When have either Sokka or Toph managed to get Katara to genuinly lighten up and have fun? Before you say it, the Runaway does not count - Katara was only doing that as an attempt to convince Toph that she knew how to have fun.

    Yes, runaway does count. Toph was saying that Katara can't have fun, Katara tries to have fun to prove Toph wrong, therefore, the scam was because of Toph.

    Sokka: EIP, telling Katara to lighten up countless times.

    Aang: Penguin sledding

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Waterbending Scroll:

    Aang helped katar out with somthing she was already good at? I wouldn't exactly describe Katara as "good at waterbending" in this episode. She herself admitted that she could never have done it without him. And his easy forgivness of Katara shows that Aang too knows how to be caring and understanding of other people.

    No, Aang helped Katara with something he was good at and Katara wasn't. I guess I used too many pronouns.

    Aang was already caring and understanding.

    Axrendale wrote:

    Katara's necklace:

    I'm not saying that it was a huge, huge loss for her. But it was a loss, you cannot deny that, and Aang did his best to help her with that loss.

    Sure Katara gives Aang a lot more help in his personal life than he gives her, but it is definitely not the one way flow that some people make out, and it's balanced out by the fact that he's probably saved their lives more than she has.

    They save each other's lives plenty of times. The score is pretty 50/50.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The CoD scene was never going to be the place where Katara got together with Zuko. That's just insanity. She might have forgiven him at that point, but gotten together with him? Nope.

    Likewise, I never expected the scene at the end of the Awakening to be the scene Kataang happened. Katara was simply glad to have found Aang again, so glad that all she could do was cry as she held him close to her. Apparently her feelings toward Aang are a lot stronger than Sokka and Toph's. That wasn't the scene I was refering to anyway. The scene I was refering to was her slightly earlier conversation with her father, in which what she was basically saying was simple: She needs Aang. If you couldn't catch that bit of subtext, I don't know what I can say to convince you of it.

    I'm just telling you what I heard about CoD.

    Let me explain how I feel about the first half of season 3: Katara was starting to fall in love with Aang, there's no denying it, I see it. However, it wasn't because she was in love with him, it was because she just had her heart broken by Zuko's betrayal and Aang was her rebound guy.

    Before you say that she wasn't falling for Zuko in that short time they had together, remember how the formula for relationships works in AtLA: We're together in this episode, we like each other, let's suck face. Going from that, it isn't a stretch of the immagination that they got to stage 2 and all that was left was for them to kiss. With that settled, back to season 3.

    Fast forward to DoBS kiss. After the surprise ends, she leans into it, hoping to feel the sparks of love that is trufax. However, not finding any such sparks, she's embarrassed and looks down, realizing that this guy she thought she likes and has let on that she likes him back, isn't anything romantically special to her and she has to tell him that they have to be just friends.

    That's how I feel about the first half of season 3, relationship wise. Until you can show me Katara saying anything else, don't bother arguing this. This is a belief of mine, you aren't going to change it.

    Edited on 07/16/2008 11:03am
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    amen!
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    Axrendale

    I think the book's real. At first I didn't because of how terrible it was written, but it's a kid's book. Of course it would be bad. Besides, there are around five commercials to back it up. By this point, I'm almost positive it's true.
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    This thread is .
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    tomtitan wrote:
    This thread is .

    What does tl;dr mean?

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    tomtitan

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    Too long; didn't read.
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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    This thread is .

    What does tl;dr mean?



    too long; didn't read
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    aangsgurl93

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    Ok everyone is fighting on whether katara is motherly to aang or not n whether it would be a good couple n it would be

    Both katara and Aang have gone through so many transformations throughout tha whole series both mentally and emotionally

    Katara- Yea she did at motherly to Aang at first because that is all she knew....he mom died when she was young and she had to take the resonsiblilty to basically be a mother...and i think that was the only way she knew how to express her feelings then..but she doesnt act motherly anymore...Yea she does have her moments but she has GREATLY improved and is now able to show those feelings like a normal teenager

    Aang- Aang has gone through the most change mentally and emotionally throughout this whole process..he isnt that goofy kid in book 1....From the start aang had a crush on katara but did know how to show it either...lot of people are saying that aang wasnt really there for katara when A LOT of the tymes he wasnt...He help katara become more carefree and fun-loving.....got back her most prized possession (her mothers necklace)...and he cared sooo much about her that he gave up trying to learn how to firebend and tried not to go into tha avatar state *(eventhough he had no power over it)

    Like in Book 2 Episode 1- The Avatar State

    When the general tricked aang into the avatar stated by trapping katara.....You could obviously see aang's pain and anger and it showed through his emotions..

    TOETHER- Katara and AAng have both helped each other out through this process...Katara helped aang with his waterbending, becoming more aware of destiny in the world and becoming more serious about his destiny while still being the same carefree person...Katara also help him with his emotionally pain. When he found out that Fire nation killed his people, when he lost appa, and when he almost died in ba sing se...

    Aang has helped Katara to...From caring about her feelings, helping her find a waterbending master, becoming less motherly and being more of a teenager and having fun, from kanna tricking her into bloodbending, and just through emotionally support

    That is why i think Kataang will work....PLUS REMEMBER KATARA IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN GET AANG OUT OF THE AVATAR STATE EMOTIONALLY.

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