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    Axrendale

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    picaboomman wrote:
    what i cant understand is how aang can be with katara when he needs to repopulate a whole nation.i mean katara cant take all that sex

    She'll have kids, and then her kids will have kids, and then their kids will have kids and then their kids will have kids and then their kids will have kids, etc. It'll take a long time, but it'll happen. The entire population of Israel claims to be descended from Abraham, and it is estimated that almost 1% of the population of Asia is descended from Genghis Khan. Life finds a way.

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    code_yumi

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    Axrendale wrote:
    A LOT
    Wow.
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    ElysianGem

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    kaybee_2 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    Here is how I view the major Kataang/Zutara arguments:

    The Avatar State:

    The fact is, this is the only thing that is standing in the way of Kataang. Zutara shippers claim that should Aang successfully open the 7th chakra, he will forget that he loves Katara, forget that he ever loved Katara, etc. Quite apart from how ridiculous that seems, there is also the entirely open matter of what it means to "let go" of attachment. To solve this unsolvable solution I suggest that we turn to the ultimate source of all wisdom (other than avatar) - Star Wars.

    Anyone who has watched the Star Wars movies is familiar with the fact that the jedi too seem to have a bit of a problem with "attachment to people" (what with it leading to the dark side and all). What not so many people are aware of is that the jedi do in fact find a solution to this problem in the series of novels that tell the story of what happens after "Return of the Jedi". Here is a direct quote from one of the novels:

    "That's what attachment is, isn't it? It's not loving somebody. It's not marrying somebody. It's not having kids. It's being where, if somthing gooes wrong, there's nothing left of you. It's being where, if the person you love dies, you start functioning like a droid that's been fitted with a restraining bolt".

    I think that this definition could easily apply to avatar. Letting go of attachment doesn't mean loving what you were it attached to any the less. It means that if you have to make a choice between saving the person you love and saving the world, you have to be able to accept the pain of letting go of your love in order to save the world. After that, you can mourn the person you loved, but you have to be able to keep on living and get on with your life. You can feel the attachment, but you cannot allow it to have any hold over you.

    Once Aang realises that (as I imagine he will in "The Old Masters"), he'll be fine.

    For those who are curious, Luke Skywalker does indeed go on to marry and have kids. If Luke Skywalker can do it, why not Aang?

    And for any who doubt the inherent wisdom of Star Wars - I'll be waiting for you with a lightsaber.

    Aunt Wu's Predictions:

    Lets deal first with daveshanFromGMU's opinion on Aunt Wu's line: "I can see that he's a very powerful bender". Later in the episode, Sokka says "...sometimes I forget what a powerful bender that kid is". There is an emphasis on the word "what", because it alters the sentence: if Sokka had simply said "I forgot that that kid was a powerful bender" that would have been different. As it is, the word "what " does the same thing to "bender" as the word "very" does; instead of simply confirming Aang as one of many powerful benders, it elevates Ang's power, AKA, a very powerful bender. Sorry if that was a bit confusing.

    There's also Aunt Wu's prediction that Aang "will have no love in his future". But by the end of the episode, we have Aunt Wu herself assuring us that people are free to "reshape their own destiny". If that isn't a blatantly obvious statement that what she said might not necessarily apply, I don't know what would have been. And let's not forget Jeong Jeong's revelations about destiny two episodes later. His musings on the subject are not quite as easy to decipher, but I think that it would be fairly close to thnk that he's basically saying "destiny is not absolute"".

    Either way, it seems fairly obvious that by the end of this "The Fortuneteller", Katara was considering Aang as potentially her "very powerful bender". As well as her unambiguously wonder-filled staring at Aang after he stops the lava, there is also the notable fact that it is in the episode immediatly after 114, "Bato of the Water Tribe", that she kisses Aang on the cheek for the first time.

    While we're on the subject of 114 and 115, there's also the symbology of Katara's betrothal necklace. As well as making a necklace and giving it to Katara, Aang also manages to give her a genuine betrothal necklace. If that isn't blatant symbology, I don't know what is.

    Avatar Roku:

    As much as some Zutarians like to claim that Ta Min might not have been the attachment that Roku had to give up, it seems fairly likely that she was, since the story made a point of drwaing a comparison between Katara and her when Roku is advising Aang in the ways of love. There'salso the fact that during the last few minutes of the episode Roku demonstrates perfectly the ability to let her go as described in the first part of this post. When the volcano on Roku's home island errupted, Roku probably wanted nothing more than to make sure that she was safely off the island. Instead, knowing that his duty as the Avatar was to hold back the lava until everyone was safely off the island, he let go of her hand and went back to make his stand.

    The Cave of Two Lovers:

    The fact is simple: Katara was the one who suggested the kiss. Any ambiguity over her reactions later can be attested to Aang's bumbling initial response. Oma and Shu story fairly close, but I'd say that it makes more sense as a metaphor of Kataang than Zutara. Instead of going through it myself I simply refer you to the relevant episode of Chaobunny's guide to Zutarian logic.

    DoBS Kiss:

    The fact that Katara had a sad look on her face after the kiss is the only Zutara has got. And that Sad look is easily explained by the fact that a person who has just declared his love for her is about to go to what he admitted might be his death.

    The Trailer:

    Saying that Katara was looking disgusted when she pulled away is definitely incorrect. If I were to put a name to the emotion she was displaying it would be horrified. Now why would Katara be horrifed at the prospect of kissing Aang? Whatever Zutarians might say, it is fairly clear that she enjoyed the kiss itself, so it cannot simply be that Aang is a bad kisser. Could she have developed feelings for Zuko? Nope, then she would have been looking guilty. Could it be that she just doesn't feel that way about him? If Katara hadn't figured it out after DoBS, then I'd be really suprised. Katara was shocked, so somthing about this kiss will be new. If she was simply resigning herself to telling Aang that she didn't like him she would be looking sad to break the news to her friend. I think that the only real explanation is the one kataangers have been shouting for months: she found out about what Aang thinks he knows about the 7th chakra. As for the Katara/Zuko hug, I see nothing beyond what I see in every piece of Zutara evidence: Katara is going to forgive Zuko.

    Aang is short, bald, and ugly:

    I disagree with anyone who says Aang is ugly, at least in season three. And anyway, that's one of the things I like best about Kataang - it is not some shallow romance based on looks (AKA jetara), but is actually a genuine liking each other for who they are.

    Why ship Kataang?:

    In the final analysis, I like Kataang because it is a genuine, non-shallow romance that fits well with both the storyline and the character development of Aang. Those are the rational reasons anyway. But as everyone who has kept up with this thread knows, shipping is anything but rational. What you ship matches what you like, and I have liked the idea of kataang ever since The Boy in the Iceburg. Plus, I also ship maiko, especially after the Boiling Rock.

    Any hope left for Zutara?:

    Unless somthing big happens in the next 2 episodes, Zutara is cactus. Not even the brilliant writers of avatar could pull a long lasting romance out of a hat during a finale. Even Yue/Sokka was begun in the episode immediatly before the season 1 finale.

    Anyway, that's my opinion of the major Zutara/Kataang arguments.

    WIN. You pretty much summed up my opinion on everything ship-related in one post, and you stated it MUCH better than I could've. Seriously, kudos.

    I...LOVE...U..

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    picaboomman

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    some kataangers exaggerate on what zutarians say
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    Axrendale

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    suss2it wrote:
    picaboomman wrote:
    what i cant understand is how aang can be with katara when he needs to repopulate a whole nation.i mean katara cant take all that sex
    I never really get why we need more Nomads, wouldn't the Avatar just skip over them since they no longer exist? I'm sure they can still preserve the art by keeping it in scrolls and having the Avatar learn them. Or better yet, let the world stand on it's two feet and the Avatar cycle end once it gets back to the Air Nomads.

    It's all about balance; with the air nation things fall out of whack with the earth nation, and that will probaly effect the other two nations, etc.

    It is a fact that almost any problem is best solved with a neutral third party. There is nobody in the Avatar world more neutral than the Avatar, the combination of all four elements, all four nations. A perfect example of this is the way Roku stood up to Sozin even though they were both from the same nation and were as close as brothers.

    And saying "let the world stand on its own two feet" in this situation is a bit like saying "Screw the police! We don't need somone else making sure everything is okay, let us take the law into our own hands and trust ourselves to enforce it when we're the ones breaking the rules!".

    Somtimes it's nice to know you can depend on somone.

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    Axrendale

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    picaboomman wrote:
    some kataangers exaggerate on what zutarians say

    Most Zutarians are nice, sensible, fun to argue with people who like their ship for the great idea it is. I respect that. But it is none of it is exageration. You name it, at some point or another some crazy, over-the-top, everything-to-do-with-katara/zuko-means-zutara! zutarian will have said it.

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    speechless8582

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    picaboomman wrote:
    what i cant understand is how aang can be with katara when he needs to repopulate a whole nation.i mean katara cant take all that sex
    are you implying Aang shouldn't "get the girl", and just get ALL the girls?
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    picaboomman

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    speechless8582 wrote:
    picaboomman wrote:
    what i cant understand is how aang can be with katara when he needs to repopulate a whole nation.i mean katara cant take all that sex
    are you implying Aang shouldn't "get the girl", and just get ALL the girls?


    pretty much

    i would take advantage of his situation
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    addicted2orange

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    Just saw the new episode and if you think that Zutara will eve happen you must be smoking something. Did you see the fury in her eyes when Katara announced that she will be on the look-out for Zuko's misbehavior's. Plus when Aang when to his friends to see if they agreed with his decision, Katara said that she would stand next to lim even though she absolutly HATES Zuko.

    GO KATAANG!!!!

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    suss2it

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    addicted2orange wrote:

    Just saw the new episode and if you think that Zutara will eve happen you must be smoking something. Did you see the fury in her eyes when Katara announced that she will be on the look-out for Zuko's misbehavior's. Plus when Aang when to his friends to see if they agreed with his decision, Katara said that she would stand next to lim even though she absolutly HATES Zuko.

    GO KATAANG!!!!

    That actually proves Zutara, you see when people get really mad with others who betrayed them, it actually means they love that person.
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    picaboomman

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    that episodes shows that if anyone gets with zuko, it should be katara, not mai. mai doesnt ever understand him and his troubles. katara understands him. she listened to him during the scene in the cave between them. and you can tell he was most nervous for her desision since he was sweating
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    suss2it

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    picaboomman wrote:
    that episodes shows that if anyone gets with zuko, it should be katara, not mai. mai doesnt ever understand him and his troubles. katara understands him. she listened to him during the scene in the cave between them. and you can tell he was most nervous for her desision since he was sweating
    Well that sucks, seeing as though Kataang is gonna happen.
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    ElysianGem

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    suss2it wrote:
    picaboomman wrote:
    that episodes shows that if anyone gets with zuko, it should be katara, not mai. mai doesnt ever understand him and his troubles. katara understands him. she listened to him during the scene in the cave between them. and you can tell he was most nervous for her desision since he was sweating
    Well that sucks, seeing as though Kataang is gonna happen.

    Seeing you guys go at it is making me emit loud laughter that is annoying my mom.

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    DragnUp

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    speechless8582 wrote:
    dantedones wrote:
    hey.... why is kataang first on the title?
    does it really matter?


    good question.

    I'm sure the Zutarians will have a lengthly reasoning behind this.
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    dantedones

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    Katara has Ninja Zuko ninjazukoxi7.png picture by dantedones
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    suss2it

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    DragnUp wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    dantedones wrote:
    hey.... why is kataang first on the title?
    does it really matter?


    good question.

    I'm sure the Zutarians will have a lengthly reasoning behind this.
    A lengthly overanalysed, and intent twisting reasoning behind it.
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    1MMfan

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    Now I am going to explain something. Zutarians have a nice view and that's great, but still Kataang could happen. Why? Aang loves Katara so much, we really don't know what Katara thinks of him. But she sure doesn't like Zuko. Most of you saw the new episode. Katara doesn't like Zuko at all, she made a death threat to him. She could kill him if she wants to! Even if they could have a friendship, that won't matter. All I say is, Zutara might not happen. Kataang has had alot of things. Katara cares alot about Aang, Aang loves Katara. It would hurt him to see her with someone else. He won't just give up on her easily. Think, if you liked someone and they went with someone else, how would you feel? I guess we can wait until Saturday to see what happens.
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    Axrendale wrote:

    Here is how I view the major Kataang/Zutara arguments:

    The Avatar State:

    The fact is, this is the only thing that is standing in the way of Kataang. Zutara shippers claim that should Aang successfully open the 7th chakra, he will forget that he loves Katara, forget that he ever loved Katara, etc. Quite apart from how ridiculous that seems, there is also the entirely open matter of what it means to "let go" of attachment. To solve this unsolvable solution I suggest that we turn to the ultimate source of all wisdom (other than avatar) - Star Wars.

    Anyone who has watched the Star Wars movies is familiar with the fact that the jedi too seem to have a bit of a problem with "attachment to people" (what with it leading to the dark side and all). What not so many people are aware of is that the jedi do in fact find a solution to this problem in the series of novels that tell the story of what happens after "Return of the Jedi". Here is a direct quote from one of the novels:

    "That's what attachment is, isn't it? It's not loving somebody. It's not marrying somebody. It's not having kids. It's being where, if somthing gooes wrong, there's nothing left of you. It's being where, if the person you love dies, you start functioning like a droid that's been fitted with a restraining bolt".

    I think that this definition could easily apply to avatar. Letting go of attachment doesn't mean loving what you were attached to any the less. It means that if you have to make a choice between saving the person you love and saving the world, you have to be able to accept the pain of letting go of your love in order to save the world. After that, you can mourn the person you loved, but you have to be able to keep on living and get on with your life. You can feel the attachment, but you cannot allow it to have any hold over you.

    Once Aang realises that (as I imagine he will in "The Old Masters"), he'll be fine.

    For those who are curious, Luke Skywalker does indeed go on to marry and have kids. If Luke Skywalker can do it, why not Aang?

    And for any who doubt the inherent wisdom of Star Wars - I'll be waiting for you with a lightsaber.

    FAIL

    George Lucas, the man who wrote the actual chapters of the saga and set the Jedi parameters in place had nothing to do with writing those novels except signing off the ok to use the licence. Like Sozin's Comet, those are nothing more than published fanfics.

    However, if you show me one that Lucas himself wrote, I'll consider it. Until then, this point fails.

    Axrendale wrote:
    Aunt Wu's Predictions:

    Lets deal first with daveshanFromGMU's opinion on Aunt Wu's line: "I can see that he's a very powerful bender". Later in the episode, Sokka says "...sometimes I forget what a powerful bender that kid is". There is an emphasis on the word "what", because it alters the sentence: if Sokka had simply said "I forgot that that kid was a powerful bender" that would have been different. As it is, the word "what " does the same thing to "bender" as the word "very" does; instead of simply confirming Aang as one of many powerful benders, it elevates Aang's power, AKA, a very powerful bender. Sorry if that was a bit confusing.

    There's also Aunt Wu's prediction that Aang "will have no love in his future". But by the end of the episode, we have Aunt Wu herself assuring us that people are free to "reshape their own destiny". If that isn't a blatantly obvious statement that what she said might not necessarily apply, I don't know what would have been. And let's not forget Jeong Jeong's revelations about destiny two episodes later. His musings on the subject are not quite as easy to decipher, but I think that it would be fairly close to think that he's basically saying "destiny is not absolute".

    Either way, it seems fairly obvious that by the end of "The Fortuneteller", Katara was considering Aang as potentially her "very powerful bender". As well as her unambiguously wonder-filled staring at Aang after he stops the lava, there is also the notable fact that it is in the episode immediatly after 114, "Bato of the Water Tribe", that she kisses Aang on the cheek for the first time.

    While we're on the subject of 114 and 115, there's also the symbology of Katara's betrothal necklace. As well as making a necklace and giving it to Katara, Aang also manages to give her a genuine betrothal necklace. If that isn't blatant symbology, I don't know what is.

    Did you ever think that "Reshaping your destiny" may have only been what Aang wanted to hear again? She's lied to the kid so he wouldn't wind up heartbroken once, why not a second time? Sorry, I'll go with the prediction that she made before she realized what she said would hurt his feelings.

    THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART! IF YOU ARE GOING TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING, RESPOND TO THIS: The "Very powerful bender" remark is more than Sokka's line at the end. The key to it is that nobody nor nothing else has been refered to as a "very powerful bender" in the series. Think about, how many people in AtLA would you say are very powerful benders and how much of a fill-in-the-blank adjective is it? So why hasn't "very powerful bender" been used for anything other than Katara's mystery future husband? That's why it's significant, that's why it's important, and that's why Aunt Wu's prediction for Katara was not about Aang.

    SOKKA'S COMMENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! IT WAS INCIDENTAL!

    How many times am I going to have to repeat this? I swear the instant Zuko gets called a very powerful bender, I am going to laugh my head off then come online and gloat that I was right.

    Axrendale wrote:

    Avatar Roku:

    [nothing of any relevence]

    I've said this before and I'll say it again: WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT ROKU GAVE UP! Any discussion from either side is irrelevent and meaningless.

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Cave of Two Lovers:

    The fact is simple: Katara was the one who suggested the kiss. Any ambiguity over her reactions later can be attested to Aang's bumbling initial response. The Oma and Shu story is fairly close, but I'd say that it makes more sense as a metaphor of Kataang than Zutara. Instead of going through it myself I simply refer you to the relevant episode of Chaobunny's guide to Zutarian logic.

    She wanted to kiss him so they wouldn't die in there. That's not love.

    How is Oma and Shu more of Katara and Aang then Zuko and Katara? Two people, nations at war, cave lit by glow-in-the-dark rocks all seems to point to Zuko and Katara to me.

    Axrendale wrote:

    DoBS Kiss:

    The fact that Katara had a sad look on her face after the kiss is the only argument Zutara has got. And that Sad look is easily explained by the fact that a person who has just declared his love for her is about to go to what he admitted might be his death.

    Wow that is a good explanation. Seeing as you are so good at explanations, how about you explain why a girl who wears her emotions on her sleeves got kissed by the boy of her dreams and has gone five episodes without saying anything about it nor acting like she's nervous about it?

    Axrendale wrote:

    The Trailer:

    Saying that Katara was looking disgusted when she pulled away is definitely incorrect. If I were to put a name to the emotion she was displaying it would be horrified. Now why would Katara be horrifed at the prospect of kissing Aang? Whatever Zutarians might say, it is fairly clear that she enjoyed the DoBS kiss, so it cannot simply be that Aang is a bad kisser. Could she have developed feelings for Zuko? Nope, then she would have been looking guilty. Could it be that she just doesn't feel that way about him? If Katara hadn't figured it out after DoBS, then I'd be really suprised. Katara was shocked, so somthing about this kiss will be new. If she was simply resigning herself to telling Aang that she didn't like him she would be looking sad to break the news to her friend. I think that the only real explanation is the one kataangers have been shouting for months: she found out about what Aang thinks he knows about the 7th chakra. As for the Katara/Zuko hug, I see nothing beyond what I see in every piece of Zutara evidence: Katara is going to forgive Zuko.

    WTF are you talking about? This:

    Looks like the face of someone who's thinking "OMG, something just happened that shouldn't have.

    Plus, where's the joy of being kissed by her true love? Suki didn't look like this when Sokka kissed her. She was shocked at first, but in the time this clip lasts, she was kissing him back.

    Face it, it shows it, Katara and Aang will never do it.

    Axrendale wrote:

    Aang is short, bald, and ugly:

    I disagree with anyone who says Aang is ugly, at least in season three. And anyway, that's one of the things I like best about Kataang - it is not some shallow romance based on looks (AKA jetara), but is actually a genuine liking each other for who they are.

    I don't know what you are going for here. No one says this anymore. This was some garbage that people used back in season 1 when there really wasn't anything.

    The rest is just your opinion about the quality of the ships.

    EDIT: @Spacerac: If evidence is in your face, that means that the guru was serious and literal when he said "FORGOTTEN".

    Edited on 07/14/2008 6:33pm
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    suss2it

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    Why is this even being debated? It's very obvious that Kataang is to happen, either that or neither.

    Avatar isn't a complex relationship show like One Tree Hill or other such shows, the creators are trying to tell a greater story than who ends up with who, so obviously for the relationship part they'll just cop out and go the easy route with the protagonist getting the girl, who's always been there for him since the beginning.
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    AlwaysKataang

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    dantedones wrote:
    Katara has Ninja Zuko ninjazukoxi7.png picture by dantedones
    Why would she want ninja Zuko when she can have glowing Aang?
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