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| @Spacerac: If evidence is in your face, that means that the guru was serious and literal when he said "FORGOTTEN". |
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| You must remember that they are canon Zutara, before you criticize them. And don't forget their super special awesome power to morph the plot to fit Zutara. |
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| Damn it Spacerac, you're using logic, stop it, it's not fair to Zutara. |
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Actually, they're tatoos. Tatoos that go around his entire body to a certain point |
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And that proves what ?
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Katara and Zuko are next to each other in the new commercial while Toph is next to Aang. Zutara lives! |
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... It's either because he's busy making his mouth glow or the pic's bad quality :/ I got it off youtube. So yeah. Aang's yelling something awesome while bending all the elements. |
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Aw man, what episode is that? I've got to see this XD |
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I lol'ed
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FAIL George Lucas, the man who wrote the actual chapters of the saga and set the Jedi parameters in place had nothing to do with writing those novels except signing off the ok to use the licence. Like Sozin's Comet, those are nothing more than published fanfics. However, if you show me one that Lucas himself wrote, I'll consider it. Until then, this point fails.
Did you ever think that "Reshaping your destiny" may have only been what Aang wanted to hear again? She's lied to the kid so he wouldn't wind up heartbroken once, why not a second time? Sorry, I'll go with the prediction that she made before she realized what she said would hurt his feelings. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART! IF YOU ARE GOING TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING, RESPOND TO THIS: The "Very powerful bender" remark is more than Sokka's line at the end. The key to it is that nobody nor nothing else has been refered to as a "very powerful bender" in the series. Think about, how many people in AtLA would you say are very powerful benders and how much of a fill-in-the-blank adjective is it? So why hasn't "very powerful bender" been used for anything other than Katara's mystery future husband? That's why it's significant, that's why it's important, and that's why Aunt Wu's prediction for Katara was not about Aang. SOKKA'S COMMENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT! IT WAS INCIDENTAL! How many times am I going to have to repeat this? I swear the instant Zuko gets called a very powerful bender, I am going to laugh my head off then come online and gloat that I was right.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT ROKU GAVE UP! Any discussion from either side is irrelevent and meaningless.
She wanted to kiss him so they wouldn't die in there. That's not love. How is Oma and Shu more of Katara and Aang then Zuko and Katara? Two people, nations at war, cave lit by glow-in-the-dark rocks all seems to point to Zuko and Katara to me.
Wow that is a good explanation. Seeing as you are so good at explanations, how about you explain why a girl who wears her emotions on her sleeves got kissed by the boy of her dreams and has gone five episodes without saying anything about it nor acting like she's nervous about it?
WTF are you talking about? This:
Looks like the face of someone who's thinking "OMG, something just happened that shouldn't have. Plus, where's the joy of being kissed by her true love? Suki didn't look like this when Sokka kissed her. She was shocked at first, but in the time this clip lasts, she was kissing him back. Face it, it shows it, Katara and Aang will never do it.
I don't know what you are going for here. No one says this anymore. This was some garbage that people used back in season 1 when there really wasn't anything. The rest is just your opinion about the quality of the ships.
EDIT: @Spacerac: If evidence is in your face, that means that the guru was serious and literal when he said "FORGOTTEN". |
Okay, let's get some things cleared up.
The Star Wars reference:
Who cares whether or not George Lucas decided to declare that that's what happens in SW? We're talking about avatar. All I was doing here was providing a great definition of "attachment" that would provide a great explanation for how Aang could open the 7th chakra and still be able to love Katara.
The Fortuneteller references:
You do realise that you're arguing about word choice? Plenty of people have called Aang a very powerful bender, they just haven't used those exact words. Aunt Wu wasn't reading words straight off Katara's palm, she saw somthing, and described it with the first words that came into her head that would tell Katara what she saw. The fact that many other people have said the same thing is the point, how they say it is irrelevant.
And what evidence can you possibly come up with to suggest that Aunt Wu was lying to Aang? If you believe that, you might as well believe that the guru was lying to Aang, because there is an equal amount of evidence for both - none. And I notice that you refused to respond to the fact that Jeong Jeong also stated that destiny is not absolute.
Avatar Roku references:
If the best you can do is claim my theory is meaningless because we don't know for sure, then you need to work on your comebacks. Not only did the writers draw a paralell between Aang and Roku, Ta Min and Katara, they also showed us at the end a clear example of "letting go of your attachment" that perectly fits the definition I described before! You could at least point out why you think I'm wrong.
Cave of two lovers reference:
Well, at least this time you tried to explain why you think I'm wrong.
Other than the fact that they hailed from peoples who were at war with eachother, there is absolutly nothing in the story to suggest Zutara.
And sure, the writers just thought they would put Aang and Katara in a situation where the only way out was to kiss, have Katara suggest the kiss so they wouldn't die, and then forget all about it. The fact is, Katara had no idea that a kiss would make anything better - she herself admitted that it was a crazy idea. This suggests to me that before she died she simply wanted to do somthing...
DOBS:
Let me introduce you to the marvel that is known as Okham's razor, a marvelous way of choosing between several explanations of somthing, in which one simply chooses the first explanation that works and makes sense. Katara looked sad because her friend/boyfriend was about to head off into deadly danger, she did not discuss their first kiss because not only is she still quite confused about it, but the group is also still recovering from having pretty much all of the friends and family captured by the firnation and they are concentrating on their new plan. If I were Katara I would not want to distract Aang from learning firebending. Plus, there is also the fact that she may be wondering if the kiss was somthing like her own spur of the moment suggestion back in the cave of two lovers.
Trailer:
I don't think we'll ever agree on this. When I look at her face in that picture, I see no disgust, no "that shouldn't have happened". I see shock. Shock, and yes, maby a bit of horror. Once again, thankfully, the razor of Ockham slices swiftly and smoothly. If Katara is disgusted, why is this so? She has had no problem suggesting kisses, being kissed, and enjoying moments like the one in the Headband. There is no way to connect it with what we know now. If she is horrified however, a possible explanation presents itself: she has found out about what Aang thinks about the avatar state. You say Katara and Aang will never do it? Well I say Zuko and Katara will never do it, because despite all this so called "evidence" there is nothing to suggest that Katara will ever be romantically attracted to Zuko, and vice versa.
The rest:
Plenty of people keep bringing up that they like Zutara because they look better together. I thought I'd provide an opinion about that.
In the final analysis Zuko and Katara have six episodes to make up, become friends, and fall in love. Oh yeah, and Katara needs to forget all about Aang.
Kataang only needs to give Katara and Aang some breathing space to talk about the kiss and have Aang realise what attachment and letting go of it mean.
Kataang is winning the race.
