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    jenwenluvzutara

    [3481]Aug 8, 2008
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    It was very, very hard for Zuko to ignore the lure of capturing the Avatar. Zuko has always put Iroh before the Avatar (except in CoD). In one of the season 1 episodes, Iroh is captured by earth benders and Zuko either has to chose to rescue Iroh or follow the Avatar. He picks Iroh, which I was surprised about. Once Iroh successfully got Zuko separated from the Avatar, it was time to start showing him there were other things to life besides trying to regain your "honor". I think Zuko, although he never really admitted it, always trusted Iroh. Anger was the reason why Zuko sometimes lashed out at Iroh and called him a traitor and such. So, because of Iroh, Zuko became somewhat of a better person. But it was all an illusion. Nothing really changed. Only when Zuko experienced his new life first hand did he realize that it wasn't what he wanted. Iroh, in the end, never really did much. Of course, he spoke words, but they had no meaning to Zuko. In Season 3, Zuko could finally make sense of them. In the first and second season, Iroh did nothing. Zuko hadn't changed at all. It just seemed like he did.

    so basically, zuko's more compassionate side in the second season were all lies brought on by bryke, and iroh has no purpose in the show.

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    isabelwhatx

    [3482]Aug 8, 2008
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    No, Iroh did have a purpose. Iroh's words, at the time, meant nothing to Zuko. But when Zuko could really understand them, in Season 3, was when Iroh played a huge role. And Zuko's compassionate side was not all lies, but it wasn't strongly developed enough to mean anything. He was so easily torn apart from it, which meant he didn't really believe a word Iroh said.
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    Axrendale

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    jenwenluvzutara wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    It was very, very hard for Zuko to ignore the lure of capturing the Avatar. Zuko has always put Iroh before the Avatar (except in CoD). In one of the season 1 episodes, Iroh is captured by earth benders and Zuko either has to chose to rescue Iroh or follow the Avatar. He picks Iroh, which I was surprised about. Once Iroh successfully got Zuko separated from the Avatar, it was time to start showing him there were other things to life besides trying to regain your "honor". I think Zuko, although he never really admitted it, always trusted Iroh. Anger was the reason why Zuko sometimes lashed out at Iroh and called him a traitor and such. So, because of Iroh, Zuko became somewhat of a better person. But it was all an illusion. Nothing really changed. Only when Zuko experienced his new life first hand did he realize that it wasn't what he wanted. Iroh, in the end, never really did much. Of course, he spoke words, but they had no meaning to Zuko. In Season 3, Zuko could finally make sense of them. In the first and second season, Iroh did nothing. Zuko hadn't changed at all. It just seemed like he did.

    so basically, zuko's more compassionate side in the second season were all lies brought on by bryke, and iroh has no purpose in the show.

    Not quite. I think that Iroh had a very big effect on Zuko in B2, but it simply wasn't big enough. Zuko made a lot of progress in season two (especially noticable in episodes like "Zuko Alone"), but in the end he just hadn't made enough progress - he still wanted to be accepted and loved by his father, to the exclusion of most other things.

    Personally, I loved Zuko's story in season 2. A former Star Wars freak, I am always willing to go for giving ex-bad guys a chance at redemption. But I didn't want Zuko to be good by the end of B2. He had made a lot of progress on his journey, but prior to watching the finale I had a feeling that his journey needed to continue for a while longer to finish on a high note. Zuko needed to confront the ultimate source of his problems; his father, before he could truly make his decision to reject him, and do what was right.

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    jenwenluvzutara

    [3484]Aug 8, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    It was very, very hard for Zuko to ignore the lure of capturing the Avatar. Zuko has always put Iroh before the Avatar (except in CoD). In one of the season 1 episodes, Iroh is captured by earth benders and Zuko either has to chose to rescue Iroh or follow the Avatar. He picks Iroh, which I was surprised about. Once Iroh successfully got Zuko separated from the Avatar, it was time to start showing him there were other things to life besides trying to regain your "honor". I think Zuko, although he never really admitted it, always trusted Iroh. Anger was the reason why Zuko sometimes lashed out at Iroh and called him a traitor and such. So, because of Iroh, Zuko became somewhat of a better person. But it was all an illusion. Nothing really changed. Only when Zuko experienced his new life first hand did he realize that it wasn't what he wanted. Iroh, in the end, never really did much. Of course, he spoke words, but they had no meaning to Zuko. In Season 3, Zuko could finally make sense of them. In the first and second season, Iroh did nothing. Zuko hadn't changed at all. It just seemed like he did.

    so basically, zuko's more compassionate side in the second season were all lies brought on by bryke, and iroh has no purpose in the show.

    Not quite. I think that Iroh had a very big effect on Zuko in B2, but it simply wasn't big enough. Zuko made a lot of progress in season two (especially noticable in episodes like "Zuko Alone"), but in the end he just hadn't made enough progress - he still wanted to be accepted and loved by his father, to the exclusion of most other things.

    Personally, I loved Zuko's story in season 2. A former Star Wars freak, I am always willing to go for giving ex-bad guys a chance at redemption. But I didn't want Zuko to be good by the end of B2. He had made a lot of progress on his journey, but prior to watching the finale I had a feeling that his journey needed to continue for a while longer to finish on a high note. Zuko needed to confront the ultimate source of his problems; his father, before he could truly make his decision to reject him, and do what was right.

    um, i was being sarcastic. anyways, wut u guys said were right.

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    isabelwhatx

    [3485]Aug 8, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    It was very, very hard for Zuko to ignore the lure of capturing the Avatar. Zuko has always put Iroh before the Avatar (except in CoD). In one of the season 1 episodes, Iroh is captured by earth benders and Zuko either has to chose to rescue Iroh or follow the Avatar. He picks Iroh, which I was surprised about. Once Iroh successfully got Zuko separated from the Avatar, it was time to start showing him there were other things to life besides trying to regain your "honor". I think Zuko, although he never really admitted it, always trusted Iroh. Anger was the reason why Zuko sometimes lashed out at Iroh and called him a traitor and such. So, because of Iroh, Zuko became somewhat of a better person. But it was all an illusion. Nothing really changed. Only when Zuko experienced his new life first hand did he realize that it wasn't what he wanted. Iroh, in the end, never really did much. Of course, he spoke words, but they had no meaning to Zuko. In Season 3, Zuko could finally make sense of them. In the first and second season, Iroh did nothing. Zuko hadn't changed at all. It just seemed like he did.

    so basically, zuko's more compassionate side in the second season were all lies brought on by bryke, and iroh has no purpose in the show.

    Not quite. I think that Iroh had a very big effect on Zuko in B2, but it simply wasn't big enough. Zuko made a lot of progress in season two (especially noticable in episodes like "Zuko Alone"), but in the end he just hadn't made enough progress - he still wanted to be accepted and loved by his father, to the exclusion of most other things.

    Personally, I loved Zuko's story in season 2. A former Star Wars freak, I am always willing to go for giving ex-bad guys a chance at redemption. But I didn't want Zuko to be good by the end of B2. He had made a lot of progress on his journey, but prior to watching the finale I had a feeling that his journey needed to continue for a while longer to finish on a high note. Zuko needed to confront the ultimate source of his problems; his father, before he could truly make his decision to reject him, and do what was right.

    I just think what Iroh said to Zuko went in one ear and came out the other. Zuko didn't understand the meaning behind Iroh's words. But, once he became accepted into his "family" again, everything Iroh said started to make sense. Zuko needed to be there in order to understand the difference between good and evil *shudders at corniness of last statement*.
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    jenwenluvzutara

    [3486]Aug 8, 2008
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    It was very, very hard for Zuko to ignore the lure of capturing the Avatar. Zuko has always put Iroh before the Avatar (except in CoD). In one of the season 1 episodes, Iroh is captured by earth benders and Zuko either has to chose to rescue Iroh or follow the Avatar. He picks Iroh, which I was surprised about. Once Iroh successfully got Zuko separated from the Avatar, it was time to start showing him there were other things to life besides trying to regain your "honor". I think Zuko, although he never really admitted it, always trusted Iroh. Anger was the reason why Zuko sometimes lashed out at Iroh and called him a traitor and such. So, because of Iroh, Zuko became somewhat of a better person. But it was all an illusion. Nothing really changed. Only when Zuko experienced his new life first hand did he realize that it wasn't what he wanted. Iroh, in the end, never really did much. Of course, he spoke words, but they had no meaning to Zuko. In Season 3, Zuko could finally make sense of them. In the first and second season, Iroh did nothing. Zuko hadn't changed at all. It just seemed like he did.

    so basically, zuko's more compassionate side in the second season were all lies brought on by bryke, and iroh has no purpose in the show.

    Not quite. I think that Iroh had a very big effect on Zuko in B2, but it simply wasn't big enough. Zuko made a lot of progress in season two (especially noticable in episodes like "Zuko Alone"), but in the end he just hadn't made enough progress - he still wanted to be accepted and loved by his father, to the exclusion of most other things.

    Personally, I loved Zuko's story in season 2. A former Star Wars freak, I am always willing to go for giving ex-bad guys a chance at redemption. But I didn't want Zuko to be good by the end of B2. He had made a lot of progress on his journey, but prior to watching the finale I had a feeling that his journey needed to continue for a while longer to finish on a high note. Zuko needed to confront the ultimate source of his problems; his father, before he could truly make his decision to reject him, and do what was right.
    I just think what Iroh said to Zuko went in one ear and came out the other. Zuko didn't understand the meaning behind Iroh's words. But, once he became accepted into his "family" again, everything Iroh said started to make sense. Zuko needed to be there in order to understand the difference between good and evil *shudders at corniness of last statement*.

    ah, the number one reason i luv zuko. ♥♥♥!

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    EmoHaruno

    [3487]Aug 8, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Dafoose wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    EmoHaruno wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    wow, i leave for a few hours and everyone's in! ugh, i was debating without other zutarians' help. next time, im waiting when LondonParisNYC and EmoHaruno start discussing. zutara is still better than kataang.
    Lol sorry. I was at tennis while you were discussing.
    Ahahahhaa. You take tennis? You any good?
    I'm a veteran tennis player, lol.

    Same xD! where you USTA ranked?

    To Isabel: I'm pretty good...of course if I'm probably worse than Tessa and Dafoose.
    Lol, I'm an USTA member yet I don't have a rank as I haven't played in an USTA tournament yet.
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    jenwenluvzutara

    [3488]Aug 8, 2008
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    EmoHaruno wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Dafoose wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    EmoHaruno wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    wow, i leave for a few hours and everyone's in! ugh, i was debating without other zutarians' help. next time, im waiting when LondonParisNYC and EmoHaruno start discussing. zutara is still better than kataang.
    Lol sorry. I was at tennis while you were discussing.
    Ahahahhaa. You take tennis? You any good?
    I'm a veteran tennis player, lol.

    Same xD! where you USTA ranked?
    To Isabel: I'm pretty good...of course if I'm probably worse than Tessa and Dafoose. Lol, I'm an USTA member yet I don't have a rank as I haven't played in an USTA tournament yet.

    tournaments r torture! in the summer it's like super hot where im from!

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    avataraang113

    [3489]Aug 8, 2008
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    katanng makes me super horny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *on cactus juice*

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    EmoHaruno

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    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    EmoHaruno wrote:
    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    Dafoose wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    EmoHaruno wrote:
    jenwenluvzutara wrote:
    wow, i leave for a few hours and everyone's in! ugh, i was debating without other zutarians' help. next time, im waiting when LondonParisNYC and EmoHaruno start discussing. zutara is still better than kataang.
    Lol sorry. I was at tennis while you were discussing.
    Ahahahhaa. You take tennis? You any good?
    I'm a veteran tennis player, lol.

    Same xD! where you USTA ranked?
    To Isabel: I'm pretty good...of course if I'm probably worse than Tessa and Dafoose. Lol, I'm an USTA member yet I don't have a rank as I haven't played in an USTA tournament yet.

    tournaments r torture! in the summer it's like super hot where im from!


    Its not that hot on the east coast (thank god)
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    doomed_soul89

    [3491]Aug 12, 2008
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    7129 popular deviations submitted in all of time for Kataang

    20458 popular deviations submitted in all of time for Zutara

    I think Zutara wins i'll do google too to check

    Results 1 - 10 of about 260,000 for Kataang.

    Results 1 - 10 of about 390,000 for Zutara

    yep Zutara wins

    Edited on 08/12/2008 5:11pm
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    Axrendale

    [3492]Aug 12, 2008
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    Could it possibly be because we Kataangers don't need to make fanart or fanfics, we just watch the show?
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    doomed_soul89

    [3493]Aug 12, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    Could it possibly be because we Kataangers don't need to make fanart or fanfics, we just watch the show?

    so what your saying is your mindless drones that just believe everything in the show and think Suki and Sokka didn't have sex, despite the amount it was hinted at.
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    Axrendale

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    Not at all - it was so obvious that they did so I am still amazed that it made it onto Nick. I am saying that people who want a Kataang story, or want to see Kataang can simply watch the show; where it exists (as opposed to Zutara).

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    doomed_soul89

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    Am the only one that finds it weird that the episode after Southern raiders Katara is confused about her feelings for Aang, and the show it's not that good of a story for Kataang, Katara's original interest in Katara came from a Fortune tellers fortune and Aang forced the relationship so much that i doubt it will last very long
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    isabelwhatx

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    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    Am the only one that finds it weird that the episode after Southern raiders Katara is confused about her feelings for Aang, and the show it's not that good of a story for Kataang, Katara's original interest in Katara came from a Fortune tellers fortune and Aang forced the relationship so much that i doubt it will last very long

    Katara was only confused about Aang because she didn't realize she had feelings for him yet. That doesn't mean she liked Zuko. And the show is PERFECT for Kataang. The whole entire series has been leading up to it! Katara didn't even understand who the Fortune Teller was referring too, and Aang didn't force a relationship on anyone.
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    isabelwhatx

    [3497]Aug 12, 2008
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    doomed_soul89 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Could it possibly be because we Kataangers don't need to make fanart or fanfics, we just watch the show?

    so what your saying is your mindless drones that just believe everything in the show and think Suki and Sokka didn't have sex, despite the amount it was hinted at.

    Uhm, we do believe everything in the show. Why wouldn't we?
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    isabelwhatx

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    Axrendale wrote:
    Could it possibly be because we Kataangers don't need to make fanart or fanfics, we just watch the show?

    OUCH BURNBURNBURNBURN!
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    LondonParisNYC

    [3499]Aug 12, 2008
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Could it possibly be because we Kataangers don't need to make fanart or fanfics, we just watch the show?
    OUCH BURNBURNBURNBURN!

    well us Zutarians have big imaginations...yeah...take that...

    well i'm out of comebacks

    Edited on 08/12/2008 8:09pm
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    isabelwhatx

    [3500]Aug 12, 2008
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    LondonParisNYC wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:
    Could it possibly be because we Kataangers don't need to make fanart or fanfics, we just watch the show?
    OUCH BURNBURNBURNBURN!

    well us Zutarians have big imaginations...yeah...take that...

    well i'm out of comebacks


    Lmao. At least you tried.
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