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Team Avatar vs. Azula's Gang

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    isabelwhatx

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    CJ42090 wrote:
    Objectively speaking, Team Avatar would win. Not only would Azula's gang be outnumbered, but they have only one bender as opposed to three (not counting Zuko). Mai and Ty Lee can only do so much.

    The fat that Ty Lee and Mai aren't benders doesn't make them any less dangerous. Ty Lee is ridic. graceful and can take away your bending with a few simple pokes. Mai shoots disks of death at you. They're both very skilled fighters. They've seemed to have held their own in countless battles against the gAang, so I think that proves that they aren't any less powerful.
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    Bandage2

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    I'm gunna be honest here, I never thoguht I'd say it... but since zuko became aang's teacher and actually taught him how to fight and not just disable... I bet aang could 1v4 them and win
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    Jackson5050

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    I agree Azula almost always pwns when she fights during Book 2, but Aang is at a distinct disadvantage two of the times she fights him . When she fights him at the end of "The Chase," Aang had been up for the better part of two days. Also, when she fights him at the end of "The Drill," you could tell Aang was physically exhausted after having cut through the beams and the outer shell. Does this mean Aang would have won if he was at full-strength...no, Azula pwns all!!!

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    Axrendale

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    Jackson5050 wrote:

    I agree Azula almost always pwns when she fights during Book 2, but Aang is at a distinct disadvantage two of the times she fights him . When she fights him at the end of "The Chase," Aang had been up for the better part of two days. Also, when she fights him at the end of "The Drill," you could tell Aang was physically exhausted after having cut through the beams and the outer shell. Does this mean Aang would have won if he was at full-strength...no, Azula pwns all!!!

    QFT!

    Azula's greatest victory over Aang in B2 was in CoD, when Aang was at no disadvantage at all. Not only that, but for once he had access to all the elements he could bend - there was rock and crystal everywhere, a convenient river a ew meters away, and of course there was air. And yet Azula still defeated him her first shot.

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    replay104

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    Better question

    Who would win:

    OWL vs TEAM AVATAR AND AZUAL'S GANG (pre-mastered avatar state)

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    Jackson5050

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    replay104 wrote:

    Better question

    Who would win:

    OWL vs TEAM AVATAR AND AZUAL'S GANG (pre-mastered avatar state)
    The Order would win handily. It consists of two firebending masters, a waterbending master, an earthbending master and a sword master. I would be surprised if they lost to any other group.
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    laurenmoo78

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    Axrendale wrote:

    laurenmoo78 wrote:
    Oh, well, yeah, s2 level, sure, Azula has the upper hand, and in the tradition of great martial arts movies, she's such a baddie that it takes several good guys to bring her down. And I wasn't thinking of Zuko/Azula battles (yeah, before she lost her mind she could kick Zuko's butt easily). But you have to admit, when backed into a corner she will lash out in dishonorable ways. I still contend, though, that we didn't really see the end of the "Appa's Lost Days" fight and don't know how that really went down. If I were to compare Azula to either a samurai or a ninja, Azula would definitely be a ninja. Ninjas, traditionally, are (as you say) smart and cunning, but in Japanese lore they lacked honor because of their sneaky ways. Zuko/Azula=Samurai/Ninja

    No one is denying that Azula is about as evil as evil can get (whether she will remain that way after the finale is debatable), and she is definitely not above being sneaky, but my main point is that she is perfectly capable of holding her own when the fight is honorable, as opposed to your original post. We'll have to agree to diasgree about Appa's Lost Days, I maintain that we didn't need to see that fight's ending; it was obvious that Suki had nothing on Azula; she and her friends were getting their butts kicked.

    Nice catch about the ninjas - that probably comes into the story where in "Lake Laogai", Zuko decides to stop being the blue spirit (a ninja if there ever was one), and makes major progress on his journey to regain his honor. You should put that in the Historical Comparisons thread.

    Either way, I think that we've established pretty well that Azula is a force to be reckoned with, which is why I maintain that a fight in the daylight is going to end badlly for the gaang.

    I was thinking the same thing about Zuko and the Blue Spirit! How weird.
    I think you and I have different defs about what's honorable. Besides, I think the person we're forgetting about here is Katara. Katara had Azula in CoD. I mean, she really really had her before Zuko stepped in. Azula looked afraid. If Zuko and the Dai Lee hadn't stepped in, there's a pretty good chance that Katara would've won that fight, besides the fact that Katara was the one who ultimately defeated Azula in S3 (no bloodbending needed ). Maybe, in this case, it depends on which one of the gAang Azula is up against. The whole S3 gAang could take and beat Azula no problem (sans Ty Lee and Mei, of course).

    And Jackson made good points earlier about Aang being at a disadvantage in "The Chase" and "The Drill."
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    Axrendale

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    laurenmoo78 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    laurenmoo78 wrote:
    Oh, well, yeah, s2 level, sure, Azula has the upper hand, and in the tradition of great martial arts movies, she's such a baddie that it takes several good guys to bring her down. And I wasn't thinking of Zuko/Azula battles (yeah, before she lost her mind she could kick Zuko's butt easily). But you have to admit, when backed into a corner she will lash out in dishonorable ways. I still contend, though, that we didn't really see the end of the "Appa's Lost Days" fight and don't know how that really went down. If I were to compare Azula to either a samurai or a ninja, Azula would definitely be a ninja. Ninjas, traditionally, are (as you say) smart and cunning, but in Japanese lore they lacked honor because of their sneaky ways. Zuko/Azula=Samurai/Ninja

    No one is denying that Azula is about as evil as evil can get (whether she will remain that way after the finale is debatable), and she is definitely not above being sneaky, but my main point is that she is perfectly capable of holding her own when the fight is honorable, as opposed to your original post. We'll have to agree to diasgree about Appa's Lost Days, I maintain that we didn't need to see that fight's ending; it was obvious that Suki had nothing on Azula; she and her friends were getting their butts kicked.

    Nice catch about the ninjas - that probably comes into the story where in "Lake Laogai", Zuko decides to stop being the blue spirit (a ninja if there ever was one), and makes major progress on his journey to regain his honor. You should put that in the Historical Comparisons thread.

    Either way, I think that we've established pretty well that Azula is a force to be reckoned with, which is why I maintain that a fight in the daylight is going to end badlly for the gaang.

    I was thinking the same thing about Zuko and the Blue Spirit! How weird.
    I think you and I have different defs about what's honorable. Besides, I think the person we're forgetting about here is Katara. Katara hadAzula in CoD. I mean, she really really hadher before Zuko stepped in. Azula looked afraid. If Zuko and the Dai Lee hadn't stepped in, there's a pretty good chance that Katara would've won that fight, besides the fact that Katara was the one who ultimately defeated Azula in S3 (no bloodbending needed ). Maybe, in this case, it depends on which one of the gAang Azula is up against. The whole S3 gAang could take and beat Azula no problem (sans Ty Lee and Mei, of course).

    Perhaps, although it should be remembered that the fight in CoD happened at night, and during the finale, Katara was forced to resort to trickery, obviously unable to go head to head with Azula (the ultimate irony). So like I said originally, it all depends on whether this fight is happening at night or during the day.

    In regards to Zuko, Azula, and finales, the writers seem to enjoy paralleling fights from previous episodes. The Azula/Katara fight followed an identical structure to the Zuko/Katara fight in the Siege of the North (Zuko/Azula fights Katara at night, gets beatens initially, is saved by arrival of sun/Zuko, and then smashes Katara into a pillar/stalagmite. The finale Agni Kai was a replica of the original Agni Kai between Zuko and Zhao. Just something I noticed.

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    laurenmoo78

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    The whole Agni Kai thing is interesting, especially since both Zhao and Azula were clearly beaten, but couldn't accept it and tried something underhanded in the end. And then, there's the original Agni Kai against Ozai, where Zuko refused to fight and Ozai attacked him anyway (that's pretty dishonorable) and sent him packing. In all three cases, Zuko's opponents show themselves as people without scruples. So all along, Zuko was the only one with true honor, even though the others claimed otherwise.
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    Axrendale

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    laurenmoo78 wrote:
    The whole Agni Kai thing is interesting, especially since both Zhao and Azula were clearly beaten, but couldn't accept it and tried something underhanded in the end. And then, there's the original Agni Kai against Ozai, where Zuko refused to fight and Ozai attacked him anyway (that's pretty dishonorable) and sent him packing. In all three cases, Zuko's opponents show themselves as people without scruples. So all along, Zuko was the only one with true honor, even though the others claimed otherwise.

    Actually, I was referring to the structure of the battles:

    Zuko vs Zhao

    - Fight opens with Zuko hurling several ineffectual attacks at Zhao.

    -Zhao blocks all attacks easily.

    -Close-up on Zuko's face as he's panting, unnerved by Zhao's unexpected skill.

    -Fight resumes and combatants continue attacking eachother.

    -Zhao knocks Zuko down with a particularly powerful attack.

    -As Zhao is moving in for the kill, Zuko pulls off an unexpected move that catches Zhao off guard.

    -Zuko wins the fight.

    -Iroh's intervention is needed to save Zuko from his dishonorable opponent.

    Azula vs Zuko

    -Fight opens with Azula hurling a number of ineffectual attacks at Zuko.

    -Zuko blocks all attacks easily.

    -Close-up on Azula's face as she's panting, unnerved by Zuko's unexpected skill.

    -Fight resumes and opponents continue attacking eachother.

    -Zuko knocks Azula down with a particularly powerful attack.

    -As Zuko should be moving in for the kill Azula pulls off an unexpected move that catches Zuko off guard.

    -Azula wins the fight.

    -Katara's intervention is needed to save Zuko from his insane opponent.

    And is it just me, or is this thead rapidly disintergrating into a battlefield between you and myself over Azula fights? Mabye we should abandon it, and take this to the Agni Kai thread (which would be appropriate - you could briefly have a Zuko icon).

    Edited on 08/04/2008 7:26am
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    PrinceAtticus

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    It's Four or Five against One or Three depending what we're talking about.

    Azula gang's wins.
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    longshotsgf

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    PrinceAtticus wrote:
    It's Four or Five against One or Three depending what we're talking about.

    Azula gang's wins.


    no. that would make them lose. Team Avatar would kick butt.
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    IrohtheTea wrote:

    ger5632 wrote:
    Well, honestly, because of Mai and her "super pointy finger" skills, i think Azula's team would win. But if its only Azula, Team Avatar wins hands down. My opinion

    well you forgot the AVATAR!
    master of all 4 elements?

    and mai cant even bend, she just throws pointy stuff, even if aang or anyone else gets hit, they can be healed by katara.

    Ty Lee can take all of them hands down. Aim for the most powerful, Aang. Katara gets upset, trys to heal him knock her down. Then jump somewhere and launch a surprise attack on Toph. Then go for Sokka, but he has nothing on her. Its Nickelodeon, he cant stab her, annd if he tries something shes too fast.

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    laurenmoo78

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    Axrendale wrote:

    laurenmoo78 wrote:
    The whole Agni Kai thing is interesting, especially since both Zhao and Azula were clearly beaten, but couldn't accept it and tried something underhanded in the end. And then, there's the original Agni Kai against Ozai, where Zuko refused to fight and Ozai attacked him anyway (that's pretty dishonorable) and sent him packing. In all three cases, Zuko's opponents show themselves as people without scruples. So all along, Zuko was the only one with true honor, even though the others claimed otherwise.

    Actually, I was referring to the structure of the battles:

    Zuko vs Zhao

    - Fight opens with Zuko hurling several ineffectual attacks at Zhao.

    -Zhao blocks all attacks easily.

    -Close-up on Zuko's face as he's panting, unnerved by Zhao's unexpected skill.

    -Fight resumes and combatants continue attacking eachother.

    -Zhao knocks Zuko down with a particularly powerful attack.

    -As Zhao is moving in for the kill, Zuko pulls off an unexpected move that catches Zhao off guard.

    -Zuko wins the fight.

    -Iroh's intervention is needed to save Zuko from his dishonorable opponent.

    Azula vs Zuko

    -Fight opens with Azula hurling a number of ineffectual attacks at Zuko.

    -Zuko blocks all attacks easily.

    -Close-up on Azula's face as she's panting, unnerved by Zuko's unexpected skill.

    -Fight resumes and opponents continue attacking eachother.

    -Zuko knocks Azula down with a particularly powerful attack.

    -As Zuko should be moving in for the kill Azula pulls off an unexpected move that catches Zuko off guard.

    -Azula wins the fight.

    -Katara's intervention is needed to save Zuko from his insane opponent.

    And is it just me, or is this thead rapidly disintergrating into a battlefireld between you and myself over Azula fights? Mabye we should abandon it, and take this to the Agni Kai thread (which would be appropriate - you could briefly have a Zuko icon).
    Yeah, we'll have to continue this tomorrow on a different thread... I'm driving to Houston today.
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    Axrendale

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    laurenmoo78 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    laurenmoo78 wrote:
    The whole Agni Kai thing is interesting, especially since both Zhao and Azula were clearly beaten, but couldn't accept it and tried something underhanded in the end. And then, there's the original Agni Kai against Ozai, where Zuko refused to fight and Ozai attacked him anyway (that's pretty dishonorable) and sent him packing. In all three cases, Zuko's opponents show themselves as people without scruples. So all along, Zuko was the only one with true honor, even though the others claimed otherwise.

    Actually, I was referring to the structure of the battles:

    Zuko vs Zhao

    - Fight opens with Zuko hurling several ineffectual attacks at Zhao.

    -Zhao blocks all attacks easily.

    -Close-up on Zuko's face as he's panting, unnerved by Zhao's unexpected skill.

    -Fight resumes and combatants continue attacking eachother.

    -Zhao knocks Zuko down with a particularly powerful attack.

    -As Zhao is moving in for the kill, Zuko pulls off an unexpected move that catches Zhao off guard.

    -Zuko wins the fight.

    -Iroh's intervention is needed to save Zuko from his dishonorable opponent.

    Azula vs Zuko

    -Fight opens with Azula hurling a number of ineffectual attacks at Zuko.

    -Zuko blocks all attacks easily.

    -Close-up on Azula's face as she's panting, unnerved by Zuko's unexpected skill.

    -Fight resumes and opponents continue attacking eachother.

    -Zuko knocks Azula down with a particularly powerful attack.

    -As Zuko should be moving in for the kill Azula pulls off an unexpected move that catches Zuko off guard.

    -Azula wins the fight.

    -Katara's intervention is needed to save Zuko from his insane opponent.

    And is it just me, or is this thead rapidly disintergrating into a battlefireld between you and myself over Azula fights? Mabye we should abandon it, and take this to the Agni Kai thread (which would be appropriate - you could briefly have a Zuko icon).
    Yeah, we'll have to continue this tomorrow on a different thread... I'm driving to Houston today.

    See you tommorow then.

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    libraman_92

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    Suki and Ty Lee would begin fighting, and Sokka would run in for the kill. Distracted, Mai would shoot discs at Sokka. Now, Aang would use Earthbending, Waterbending, and Airbending to knock Maii out. Azula and Katara would square off, while Toph is providing solid defense for the group. Azula would put up a good resistance, before fleeing. So Team Avatar wins. Also, since this is a referral to Season Two, I'm not including Zuko and
    ***SPOILER***
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    Axrendale

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    libraman_92 wrote:
    Suki and Ty Lee would begin fighting, and Sokka would run in for the kill. Distracted, Mai would shoot discs at Sokka. Now, Aang would use Earthbending, Waterbending, and Airbending to knock Maii out. Azula and Katara would square off, while Toph is providing solid defense for the group. Azula would put up a good resistance, before fleeing. So Team Avatar wins. Also, since this is a referral to Season Two, I'm not including Zuko and
    ***SPOILER***

    There is no Suki, so the first part does not happen. Who wins the Azula/Katara fight depends on whether it's day or night.

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    libraman_92 wrote:
    Suki and Ty Lee would begin fighting, and Sokka would run in for the kill. Distracted, Mai would shoot discs at Sokka. Now, Aang would use Earthbending, Waterbending, and Airbending to knock Maii out. Azula and Katara would square off, while Toph is providing solid defense for the group. Azula would put up a good resistance, before fleeing. So Team Avatar wins. Also, since this is a referral to Season Two, I'm not including Zuko and
    ***SPOILER***

    mai shoots stars
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    libraman_92

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    Breaker94 wrote:
    libraman_92 wrote:
    Suki and Ty Lee would begin fighting, and Sokka would run in for the kill. Distracted, Mai would shoot discs at Sokka. Now, Aang would use Earthbending, Waterbending, and Airbending to knock Maii out. Azula and Katara would square off, while Toph is providing solid defense for the group. Azula would put up a good resistance, before fleeing. So Team Avatar wins. Also, since this is a referral to Season Two, I'm not including Zuko and
    ***SPOILER***

    mai shoots stars


    um, thank you?
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    Jackson5050

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    Axrendale wrote:

    Who wins the Azula/Katara fight depends on whether it's day or night.
    I concur with this. Azula and Katara seem to be equal in terms of bending ability, so day/night would be the deciding factor. I should note, however, that from what I have seen from Book Two, Azula seems to have a more difficult time battling against waterbending. An example would be her and Katara during the CoD. Also, when she begins her fight with Aang on top of the drill, her attacks seem to be stunted when Aang is using waterbending. However, I could be wrong because those are only two instances thus making the sample size quite small.
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