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(!!SPOILERS!!) NEW INFO on the official Avatar Site (!!SPOILERS!!)

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    the_jaguarundi

    [61]Dec 8, 2006
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    pooldude256 wrote:
    mellomuse wrote:

    OK, I have a huge problem with the fact that the CoD episode description on the site also includes dialogue between Zuko and Aang that NEVER HAPPENED in the episode. I'm especially wondering about that since, to my recollection, every other episode description on the site only outlines the plot and has no dialogue at all! Did some lazy Nick.com staffer copy an eppy description off of imdb.com or something?

    I just wrote to Nick.com asking them to correct that. If anyone else would like to do so as well, click here: http://www.nick.com/blab/write_nick/mail.jhtml


    Nice catch. My guess is they changed that part and didn't alert the website staff. Probably because Aang would not have been able to get into the Avatar State, as Guru Pathik stated, so they had to have Aang make his tent of crystal.

    Still though...huge error. Even a little kid could see that and be like "That didn't happen!". I guess the Nick.com programmers don't actually watch the shows the network produces...

    Yeah, I noticed that too.

    The gear descriptions/character bios, locations/creatures however can't have any source other than Team Avatar (well, y'know, Mike and Bryan and their minions) itself.

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    doctor_lee

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    mblizzow wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    windseeker15 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:

    doctor_lee wrote:
    I agree. Oh, and it also says he was mortally wounded, not dead. That cleared another dispute up.

    Uh...a mortal wound is the same as a FATAL wound...that really means more that he DID die...
    No, it does not mean he died. He was injured badly enough to die and would ahve without the oasis water but he was NOT dead.

    Here's what wikipedia has to say about it(I know most of the time wiki isn't too reliable but who would fake the definition of this?)

    A Mortal Wound is an injury from battle or an accident which directly leads to the death of an individual. Death is not instantaneous, but follows the injury.

    Still kinda iffy...could have...could not have...hard to say 100% ya know? that's all I'm sayin...


    yea, without help and immediate attention he would really have been a goner. so is everyone now clear on mortally wounded and aang probably wasn't dead, by close to it.

    Finally someone agrees with me.
    Mortally wounded doesn't mean you died.
    Sheesh.
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    Eman5805

    [63]Dec 8, 2006
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    doctor_lee wrote:
    mblizzow wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    windseeker15 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:

    doctor_lee wrote:
    I agree. Oh, and it also says he was mortally wounded, not dead. That cleared another dispute up.

    Uh...a mortal wound is the same as a FATAL wound...that really means more that he DID die...
    No, it does not mean he died. He was injured badly enough to die and would ahve without the oasis water but he was NOT dead.

    Here's what wikipedia has to say about it(I know most of the time wiki isn't too reliable but who would fake the definition of this?)

    A Mortal Wound is an injury from battle or an accident which directly leads to the death of an individual. Death is not instantaneous, but follows the injury.

    Still kinda iffy...could have...could not have...hard to say 100% ya know? that's all I'm sayin...
    yea, without help and immediate attention he would really have been a goner. so is everyone now clear on mortally wounded and aang probably wasn't dead, by close to it.
    Finally someone agrees with me. Mortally wounded doesn't mean you died. Sheesh.

    It means death doesn't happen instantly but after going all the way back up to the surface, getting on Appa...

    ahhh I'm just messin' I don't care anymore...doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things

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    lightningprince

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    Wow, people are getting angry in here.

    Anyway............That information is good because it clears up one major point for us. And that is (even if Aang died) he was not in the Avatar state, so the avatar line will continue. The rest is completely and utterly ambigous.

    Now for the opnion section of this post (Feel free to skip):

    1) Letting go of someone doesnt meaning giving up. Different meanings. I believe the Guru meant giving up believing everyone will live forever. The reason Aang pictured Katara was because he cares for her very much. Now, I'm not a Kataanger, I actually lean towards Zutara, but really wouldnt mind either way.

    2) Aang skill is directed by his mentaility, which is of an Airbender. They revere life, so of course he wont use leathal attacks. Plus, he's 12.

    3) You ever try to dodge lightning? It travels pretty fast.

    and end.
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    the_jaguarundi

    [65]Dec 8, 2006
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    lightningprince wrote:
    Wow, people are getting angry in here.

    Anyway............That information is good because it clears up one major point for us. And that is (even if Aang died) he was not in the Avatar state, so the avatar line will continue. The rest is completely and utterly ambigous.

    Now for the opnion section of this post (Feel free to skip):

    1) Letting go of someone doesnt meaning giving up. Different meanings. I believe the Guru meant giving up believing everyone will live forever. The reason Aang pictured Katara was because he cares for her very much. Now, I'm not a Kataanger, I actually lean towards Zutara, but really wouldnt mind either way.

    2) Aang skill is directed by his mentaility, which is of an Airbender. They revere life, so of course he wont use leathal attacks. Plus, he's 12.

    3) You ever try to dodge lightning? It travels pretty fast.

    and end.


    As for point "1" of the opinion piece, you might be right. But no matter how you cut it, objectively speaking Aang couldn't do whatever it was that the Guru was wanting him to do. Give her up, letting her go, no matter how you put it, Aang still has all of the feelings for Katara he did in "The Earth King."

    So the info clears up TWO major points of info, and TWO points only:

    1. Aang did not master the Avatar state.
    2. Aang did not give up Katara.

    It does NOT clear up (as you said) whether Aang actually died or not.
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    lightningprince

    [66]Dec 8, 2006
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    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    lightningprince wrote:
    That information is good because it clears up one major point for us. And that is (even if Aang died) he was not in the Avatar state, so the avatar line will continue.



    As for point "1" of the opinion piece, you might be right. But no matter how you cut it, objectively speaking Aang couldn't do whatever it was that the Guru was wanting him to do. Give her up, letting her go, no matter how you put it, Aang still has all of the feelings for Katara he did in "The Earth King."

    So the info clears up TWO major points of info, and TWO points only:

    1. Aang did not master the Avatar state.
    2. Aang did not give up Katara.

    It does NOT clear up (as you said) whether Aang actually died or not.


    That was the point I was emphasising. Whether he died or not, we dont know. Whether he was in the process of giving Katara up, we dont know.

    As for the feeling parts, the letting go is ambigous also. He could still have feeling or not. Once again (I hat Nick people) we dont know for fact.
    Edited on 12/08/2006 4:57pm
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    pooldude256

    [67]Dec 8, 2006
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    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    pooldude256 wrote:
    mellomuse wrote:

    OK, I have a huge problem with the fact that the CoD episode description on the site also includes dialogue between Zuko and Aang that NEVER HAPPENED in the episode. I'm especially wondering about that since, to my recollection, every other episode description on the site only outlines the plot and has no dialogue at all! Did some lazy Nick.com staffer copy an eppy description off of imdb.com or something?

    I just wrote to Nick.com asking them to correct that. If anyone else would like to do so as well, click here: http://www.nick.com/blab/write_nick/mail.jhtml


    Nice catch. My guess is they changed that part and didn't alert the website staff. Probably because Aang would not have been able to get into the Avatar State, as Guru Pathik stated, so they had to have Aang make his tent of crystal.

    Still though...huge error. Even a little kid could see that and be like "That didn't happen!". I guess the Nick.com programmers don't actually watch the shows the network produces...

    Yeah, I noticed that too.

    The gear descriptions/character bios, locations/creatures however can't have any source other than Team Avatar (well, y'know, Mike and Bryan and their minions) itself.


    Oh yes, they have many minions. I certainly would hope a writer from the show writes those things, though I don't see how they have the time between writing the episodes and everything to do such a thing. I'm sure they have some official reference from either the staff or the writers that they use for those things. Though they're recap for The Crossroads of Destiny does have its inaccuracies.
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    picketposter14

    [68]Dec 8, 2006
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    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    Quote on Celestial Avatar Spirit Aang: "This colossal figure
    represents Aang's mastery of the Avatar State. Aang encounters this
    giant version of himself in space during his meditation on the seventh
    chakra (pure cosmic energy.) The first time he meditates, (in 2.19)
    Aang has a vision of Katara in trouble and has to abandon his celestial
    twin. The second time he meditates, (in 2.20) Aang is interrupted when
    Azula shoots him with lightning. In both cases, Aang is unable to clear the chakra and master the Avatar State."

    This is precisely what I've been saying ever since the season finale. And now the official website confirms it.

    So that also means the Avatar State was triggered emotionally. Was it just being overwhelmed and endangered?
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    picketposter14

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    doctor_lee wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    doctor_lee wrote:
    Mortal wound is an injury which directly leads to death but after he got mortally wounded, before he died, Katara healed him. So he did NOT die.

    Well,??based on what can you say that he was still alive and not dead already? Mortally wounded says not instantaneous, but Katara had to go back up that waterfall WAY back up to the surface, get everyone onto Appa(unless they were already on Appa), and then when they were already in the air she starts to heal him that is sure not an instant. Again, I can't say for sure, but seeing that large spiritual entity just keel over and fall, that the animators clearly depicted Katara holding Aang like Mary holding Jesus in that scuplture to me says he died...but even with that,??it isn't 100% definitive of anything.

    I can't say he did or didn't, and know I'm right,??simply cuz the creators can say whatever the hell they want about it and that's final. Doesn't even have to make sense like Aang fell asleep or something...
    Let's just make it simple. He didn't die. Haha...
    There is no need to analyze every single aspect of the show.
    It said he was mortally wounded. Take it as it is.

    you should listen to him... he is a doctor
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    kataang4eva081

    [70]Dec 8, 2006
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    Sheesh, high tempers in here!

    Like some one said earlier, those quotes at least cleared up one thing, aang didn't fully go into the Avatar State, so the avatar line and all that good stuff is still strong.

    (opinion part)

    1. I have to say that Aang probably died, but hey, I'm not Mike or Bryan, so who am I to say. I can say that they put??a lot??of foreshawdowing and little hints towards "death" and "the avatar state". Avatar Roku's whole entire speech for one, and then in the previously on avatar thing, they only showed the "if you die in the avatar state..." part, and yes I do think they were trying to go with the mary and jesus dipiction, Avatar has a lot of meaning behind it, so taking the idea from the statue/sculpture is about as meaning full as you can get. Azula also didn't just want to hurt Aang a little bit so he would need a power rangers band aid, she is a "cold blooded perfectionist" and wanted to kill, I repeat, kill, her target. She isn't stupid, far from it in fact, so I think she knew what she wanted to do, and yea, lighting isn't exactly the easiest thing to survive. So while there is a chance he could have survived and was on death's doorstep, he probably died, but all his super cool avatar powers weren't lost.

    2. This following opinion is not just becuase I happen to support kataang. I don't think he let her go. If you think about it, he "let her go" becuase he loved her so much. So it was replacing his "little boy crush attachment" with actual love (corny cheesy, yah yah). And the whole "well he didn't officially go into the avtar state and open his chakra", and kataang has by far been the most evident ship in avatar (at least aang loving katara) so I don't think the creators would just flush it down the drain. Love isn't just a switch you can turn on and off, aang will always love katara, but he might have to "let her go" by her not getting in the way of what is most important, aka, him destroying the fire lord. I like one point some one brought up, ozai may use aang's love for katara agianst him, so aang will have to choose. And of course aang's smile at the end.

    So there yah have it folks, enjoy.

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    picketposter14

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    I have a feeling that mike and bryan were trying to make everyone think "Hurry up, Katara. Before aang dies!" when all they really did was make us think aang had died. remember, aang was mortally wounded. we found out that doesn't mean dead, it means almost dead, or eventually leading to death. Aang's injury is probably similar to Iroh's and therefore, aang is not dead
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    Katara193

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    picketposter14 wrote:
    doctor_lee wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    doctor_lee wrote:
    Mortal wound is an injury which directly leads to death but after he got mortally wounded, before he died, Katara healed him. So he did NOT die.

    Well,??based on what can you say that he was still alive and not dead already? Mortally wounded says not instantaneous, but Katara had to go back up that waterfall WAY back up to the surface, get everyone onto Appa(unless they were already on Appa), and then when they were already in the air she starts to heal him that is sure not an instant. Again, I can't say for sure, but seeing that large spiritual entity just keel over and fall, that the animators clearly depicted Katara holding Aang like Mary holding Jesus in that scuplture to me says he died...but even with that,??it isn't 100% definitive of anything.

    I can't say he did or didn't, and know I'm right,??simply cuz the creators can say whatever the hell they want about it and that's final. Doesn't even have to make sense like Aang fell asleep or something...
    Let's just make it simple. He didn't die. Haha...
    There is no need to analyze every single aspect of the show.
    It said he was mortally wounded. Take it as it is.
    you should listen to him... he is a doctor

    ha! lol...but seriously it's true

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    Spike815

    [73]Dec 9, 2006
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    lightningprince wrote:
    Wow, people are getting angry in here.

    Anyway............That information is good because it clears up one major point for us. And that is (even if Aang died) he was not in the Avatar state, so the avatar line will continue. The rest is completely and utterly ambigous.

    Now for the opnion section of this post (Feel free to skip):

    1) Letting go of someone doesnt meaning giving up. Different meanings. I believe the Guru meant giving up believing everyone will live forever. The reason Aang pictured Katara was because he cares for her very much. Now, I'm not a Kataanger, I actually lean towards Zutara, but really wouldnt mind either way.

    2) Aang skill is directed by his mentaility, which is of an Airbender. They revere life, so of course he wont use leathal attacks. Plus, he's 12.

    3) You ever try to dodge lightning? It travels pretty fast.

    and end.


    Yes I have tried to dodge lightning several times. Lets just say attempts 1-4 went well, but that fifth was really unexpected...
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