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    starfireplus

    [41]Dec 7, 2006
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    The parallels btwn Star Wars and Avatar are striking and relevant, and part of the reason that i enjoy this show so much - there's the whole philosophical aspect - the balance of the world, battle btwn good/evil + the grey area (illustrated with Zuko's inner conflicts)... This particular point, about the Avatar state and how it seems linked to Aang's anger and capacity for destruction, is so alike the Darkside. And of course there's the recurring superhero-type dilemma - "with great power comes great responsibility". Aang is still an individual, and he brings individual qualities to being the Avatar, and yet to come fully into his power, it seems he will be forced to give that up. That is very much like how the Jedi were prior to Anakin Skywalker.?? He, of course, became unravelled... but the Jedi that came after, with Luke as their teacher, were fully emotional and included love etc as part of themselves and their power.?? It's all so epic... can't get enough of it
    Edited on 12/07/2006 11:30pm
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    the_jaguarundi

    [42]Dec 8, 2006
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    meninwhite wrote:
    If Aang gave up Katara good! If he didnt he will be leading himself to a life of pain.


    lol. Speaking from experience, are we now?

    Unfortunately for you . . . he didn't give up Katara.
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    Kyusho-Jitsu

    [43]Dec 8, 2006
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    Yea, as much as I'd like Aang to be the spiritual monk free of the world as he's supposed to be, I don't think he gave up Katara. I'd LIKE to see him give her up, but I don't think it's gonna happen because that would ruin the romance of the plot

    Also, when??I said that, it's not that I don't like Katara. It's just that I don't like the idea of an embodiment of the planet seeking marriage. Remember, Aang and all Avatars are the spirits of the planet, so they aren't really human.

    UNLESS, maybe the Avatars are the spirits of the planet imbued in HUMANS. Hmm.... Anyone thought of that before? Seems awfully similar to Naruto...

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    meninwhite

    [44]Dec 8, 2006
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    I think he did why? Cause than the whole Im sorry Katara would be for nothing.
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    frozenbreeze

    [45]Dec 8, 2006
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    so when the avatar state Aang falls from space, does it mean that it he died, and later on ressurected by katara or is it that he never died at all?

    I would think that the Jesus imagery of katara and aang would be proof that he did die (like Jesus) and not just mortally wounded
    I thought that he was dead for sure because of the space scene where the avatar state aang falls, but then agai who knows?
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    Kyusho-Jitsu

    [46]Dec 8, 2006
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    frozenbreeze wrote:
    so when the avatar state Aang falls from space, does it mean that it he died, and later on ressurected by katara or is it that he never died at all? I would think that the Jesus imagery of katara and aang would be proof that he did die (like Jesus) and not just mortally wounded I thought that he was dead for sure because of the space scene where the avatar state aang falls, but then agai who knows?

    No one knows

    Such a thing as a "fact" does not exist in the realm of the Avatar Forum!

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    Bountyhunterc28

    [47]Dec 8, 2006
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    Remember what the guru said if he doesn't open the last charka he woun't be able to go into the avatar state at all, so whenhe went into the avatar state he opened the charka, and wasn't expecting Azula to attack him.
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    Eman5805

    [48]Dec 8, 2006
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    Bountyhunterc28 wrote:
    Remember what the guru said if he doesn't open the last charka he woun't be able to go into the avatar state at all, so whenhe went into the avatar state he opened the charka, and wasn't expecting Azula to attack him.

    Not to mention that Azula had snuck around and hit Aang from behind...

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    Kyusho-Jitsu

    [49]Dec 8, 2006
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    Bountyhunterc28 wrote:
    Remember what the guru said if he doesn't open the last charka he woun't be able to go into the avatar state at all, so whenhe went into the avatar state he opened the charka, and wasn't expecting Azula to attack him.

    Actually, it's been confirmed that he didn't finish opening the Chakra before Azula shot him with lightning. It's on the Nick Web Site. There was a topic about that, but I'm too lazy to find it. If you search though, you'll find it. It has a quote from the site and it mentioned that both times Aang was interrupted when opening the last Chakra, first time was when he went to Katara, second was from the lightning. So he was never fully in the Avatar State, and thus the Avatar Spirit is in no danger of disappearing.

    At least logically. Again, we'll just have to wait until the story continues before we can say anything.

    EDIT: LOL OMG IT'S THIS TOPIC LOL IM SO STUPID TODAY

    Edited on 12/08/2006 1:05pm
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    GhostDragon02

    [50]Dec 8, 2006
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    Ok, let's not go into comparing Avatar to religion. I hate it when people compare a religion to a cartoon. It just causes tons of fights and the whole fanbase goes to hell.

    Now, Aang is definantly NOT a spirit! He's human, and he needs the same things a normal human needs: Love and family! He may be the Avatar, but that doesn't mean he isn't human.

    And I'm definantly sticking to my opinion that he DEFINANTLY didn't let go of Katara. And why do you think he even TRIED to let go of her to??go into the Avatar State? BECAUSE HE LOVES HER. If anything, him almost letting go of her just shows how much he truely loves her.

    And if Aang wants to get married to anyone(coughcoughKataracoughcough) then he??is entitled to do so. He is human just like the rest of us, and he should be aloud to have a family with the one he loves! Besides, if he doesn't, the Avatar cycle AND the Air Nomads would be completely screwed.

    Aang+Not being married= No more Air Nomads.

    No more Air Nomads= Incomplete Avatar cycle because the Avatars after him would not be able to learn airbending! And you can't have an Avatar with no airbending! It's just not right!!

    Aang+ Being Married(coughcoughToKataracoughcough)= Air Nomads and a continued Avatar Cycle

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    the_jaguarundi

    [51]Dec 8, 2006
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    meninwhite wrote:
    I think he did why? Cause than the whole Im sorry Katara would be for nothing.


    No he didn't. The Nick.com website explicitly states that he did NOT. He was trying to, but he was interrupted by the lightning bolt.
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    the_jaguarundi

    [52]Dec 8, 2006
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    Kyusho-Jitsu wrote:

    Bountyhunterc28 wrote:
    Remember what the guru said if he doesn't open the last charka he woun't be able to go into the avatar state at all, so whenhe went into the avatar state he opened the charka, and wasn't expecting Azula to attack him.

    Actually, it's been confirmed that he didn't finish opening the Chakra before Azula shot him with lightning. It's on the Nick Web Site. There was a topic about that, but I'm too lazy to find it. If you search though, you'll find it. It has a quote from the site and it mentioned that both times Aang was interrupted when opening the last Chakra, first time was when he went to Katara, second was from the lightning. So he was never fully in the Avatar State, and thus the Avatar Spirit is in no danger of disappearing.

    At least logically. Again, we'll just have to wait until the story continues before we can say anything.



    Yes, there was a topic about that. It's this one. lol . . . scroll to the bottom
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    the_jaguarundi

    [53]Dec 8, 2006
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    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    Quote on Celestial Avatar Spirit Aang: "This colossal figure
    represents Aang's mastery of the Avatar State. Aang encounters this
    giant version of himself in space during his meditation on the seventh
    chakra (pure cosmic energy.) The first time he meditates, (in 2.19)
    Aang has a vision of Katara in trouble and has to abandon his celestial
    twin. The second time he meditates, (in 2.20) Aang is interrupted when
    Azula shoots him with lightning. In both cases, Aang is unable to clear the chakra and master the Avatar State."

    This is precisely what I've been saying ever since the season finale. And now the official website confirms it.


    ^ Read this, people. People at the end of this thread are starting to say stuff that shows they didn't read this.


    Aang is unable to clear the chakra and master the Avatar State.
    First time: he had a vision of Katara in trouble
    Second time: he was interrupted by a bolt of lightning
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    Katara193

    [55]Dec 8, 2006
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    ok, people are forgetting some really important things here and it's getting on my nerves! this is what i say:

    1) aang didn't die because if he did, that would pretty much end the series and there's still a whole season left... don't get me wrong, when katara healed him in the end and thought it didn't work, her cry still maked my stomach lurch *sniff*.... but really,??try rubbing your two little brain cells together and think logically! (no offense)

    2) if it does have any relation to jesus dying, you forget that he raises from the dead on the third day (so maby aang did die and that could happen but it's??not likely)

    3) the avatar is not a spirit, he is the bridge between the human and spirit world so yes, he is completely entitled to have a wife *cough katara cough* and (maby) kids

    4) we don't really know what the guru meant by "give her up"... it could mean that he just needs to stop putting his friends and especially katara before the whole world because if he's about to face ozai and he takes her hostage, he needs to learn to control the urge to help katara rather that defeat the fire lord

    5) the next avatar in the cycle ist'n supposed to be his/her kid... i mean it can be if he dies before his wife has a kid and the wife (since girls are the only ones who can have babies i'm only saying the wife)??just happen to be whatever the next element in the cycle is it could happen, but that chances of that are slim to none. it's usually just another kid born into the next nation when the avatar dies.

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    pooldude256

    [56]Dec 8, 2006
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    mellomuse wrote:

    OK, I have a huge problem with the fact that the CoD episode description on the site also includes dialogue between Zuko and Aang that NEVER HAPPENED in the episode. I'm especially wondering about that since, to my recollection, every other episode description on the site only outlines the plot and has no dialogue at all! Did some lazy Nick.com staffer copy an eppy description off of imdb.com or something?

    I just wrote to Nick.com asking them to correct that. If anyone else would like to do so as well, click here: http://www.nick.com/blab/write_nick/mail.jhtml



    Nice catch. My guess is they changed that part and didn't alert the website staff. Probably because Aang would not have been able to get into the Avatar State, as Guru Pathik stated, so they had to have Aang make his tent of crystal.

    Still though...huge error. Even a little kid could see that and be like "That didn't happen!". I guess the Nick.com programmers don't actually watch the shows the network produces...
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    FreakishChild

    [57]Dec 8, 2006
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    It might have been in originally but was cut during the editing process. That's the only way I can see why it would be there. But since those lines were cut they have no canon connection to the episode.
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    mblizzow

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    Eman5805 wrote:
    windseeker15 wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:

    doctor_lee wrote:
    I agree. Oh, and it also says he was mortally wounded, not dead. That cleared another dispute up.

    Uh...a mortal wound is the same as a FATAL wound...that really means more that he DID die...

    No, it does not mean he died. He was injured badly enough to die and would ahve without the oasis water but he was NOT dead.

    Here's what wikipedia has to say about it(I know most of the time wiki isn't too reliable but who would fake the definition of this?)

    A Mortal Wound is an injury from battle or an accident which directly leads to the death of an individual. Death is not instantaneous, but follows the injury.

    Still kinda iffy...could have...could not have...hard to say 100% ya know? that's all I'm sayin...



    yea, without help and immediate attention he would really have been a goner. so is everyone now clear on mortally wounded and aang probably wasn't dead, by close to it.
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    Proximity42

    [59]Dec 8, 2006
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    Just because you have to "let go" of someone or worldly possetions dosn't mean you still can't love ppl. You just have to come to the realization that they wont be around forever and accept that. It seems like Aang thinks he can't show his feelings for Katara which isn't really whats needed to be done.
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    Kyusho-Jitsu

    [60]Dec 8, 2006
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    GhostDragon02 wrote:

    Ok, let's not go into comparing Avatar to religion. I hate it when people compare a religion to a cartoon. It just causes tons of fights and the whole fanbase goes to hell.

    Now, Aang is definantly NOT a spirit! He's human, and he needs the same things a normal human needs: Love and family! He may be the Avatar, but that doesn't mean he isn't human.

    And I'm definantly sticking to my opinion that he DEFINANTLY didn't let go of Katara. And why do you think he even TRIED to let go of her to??go into the Avatar State? BECAUSE HE LOVES HER. If anything, him almost letting go of her just shows how much he truely loves her.

    And if Aang wants to get married to anyone(coughcoughKataracoughcough) then he??is entitled to do so. He is human just like the rest of us, and he should be aloud to have a family with the one he loves! Besides, if he doesn't, the Avatar cycle AND the Air Nomads would be completely screwed.

    Aang+Not being married= No more Air Nomads.

    No more Air Nomads= Incomplete Avatar cycle because the Avatars after him would not be able to learn airbending! And you can't have an Avatar with no airbending! It's just not right!!

    Aang+ Being Married(coughcoughToKataracoughcough)= Air Nomads and a continued Avatar Cycle

    Wow I didn't know your name was Mike and Bryan. You aren't the maker of Avatar. They even have another airbender who's alive in the official CARD GAME. I'm not saying that I'M right. I'm just saying that we won't know who's right until they tell us.

    So please stop trying to prove me wrong. It was only my opinion. You can have yours too, but that doesn't mean that automatically makes mine inferior.

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