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    doctor_lee

    [21]Dec 7, 2006
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    Eman5805 wrote:
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    Mortal wound is an injury which directly leads to death but after he got mortally wounded, before he died, Katara healed him. So he did NOT die.

    Well,??based on what can you say that he was still alive and not dead already? Mortally wounded says not instantaneous, but Katara had to go back up that waterfall WAY back up to the surface, get everyone onto Appa(unless they were already on Appa), and then when they were already in the air she starts to heal him that is sure not an instant. Again, I can't say for sure, but seeing that large spiritual entity just keel over and fall, that the animators clearly depicted Katara holding Aang like Mary holding Jesus in that scuplture to me says he died...but even with that,??it isn't 100% definitive of anything.

    I can't say he did or didn't, and know I'm right,??simply cuz the creators can say whatever the hell they want about it and that's final. Doesn't even have to make sense like Aang fell asleep or something...
    Let's just make it simple. He didn't die. Haha...
    There is no need to analyze every single aspect of the show.
    It said he was mortally wounded. Take it as it is.

    Edited on 12/07/2006 8:59pm
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    the_jaguarundi

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    Eman5805 wrote:
    doctor_lee wrote:
    Mortal wound is an injury which directly leads to death but after he got mortally wounded, before he died, Katara healed him. So he did NOT die.

    Well, based on what can you say that he was still alive and not dead already? Mortally wounded says not instantaneous, but Katara had to go back up that waterfall WAY back up to the surface, get everyone onto Appa(unless they were already on Appa), and then when they were already in the air she starts to heal him that is sure not an instant. Again, I can't say for sure, but seeing that large spiritual entity just keel over and fall, that the animators clearly depicted Katara holding Aang like Mary holding Jesus in that scuplture to me says he died...but even with that, it isn't 100% definitive of anything.

    I can't say he did or didn't, and know I'm right, simply cuz the creators can say whatever the hell they want about it and that's final. Doesn't even have to make sense like Aang fell asleep or something...


    Personally, I don't think she was holding him like the Pieta. And I'm a grad student Art Historian by the way. Of the Roman period (not the Renaissance), but none the less, in my scholarly opinion, it is unlikely that the pose was intended to emulate the Michelangelo Pieta. Simply because (1) there are too many differences between that screenshot and the Pieta, and (2) that's how anyone would hold a limp body.
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    Eman5805

    [23]Dec 7, 2006
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    doctor_lee wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    doctor_lee wrote:
    Mortal wound is an injury which directly leads to death but after he got mortally wounded, before he died, Katara healed him. So he did NOT die.

    Well,??based on what can you say that he was still alive and not dead already? Mortally wounded says not instantaneous, but Katara had to go back up that waterfall WAY back up to the surface, get everyone onto Appa(unless they were already on Appa), and then when they were already in the air she starts to heal him that is sure not an instant. Again, I can't say for sure, but seeing that large spiritual entity just keel over and fall, that the animators clearly depicted Katara holding Aang like Mary holding Jesus in that scuplture to me says he died...but even with that,??it isn't 100% definitive of anything.

    I can't say he did or didn't, and know I'm right,??simply cuz the creators can say whatever the hell they want about it and that's final. Doesn't even have to make sense like Aang fell asleep or something...
    Let's just make it simple. He didn't die. Haha...
    There is no need to analyze every single aspect of the show.
    It said he was mortally wounded. Take it as it is.

    But if we don't analyze everything then what else would we do on an Avatar??forum?

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    doctor_lee

    [24]Dec 7, 2006
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    Hahaha...
    That's true.
    However, we analyze things that has not been confirmed.
    Aang's moral wound has been confirmed.
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    larde44

    [25]Dec 7, 2006
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    yay kataang still exist thanks
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    PinkTyLee

    [26]Dec 7, 2006
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    The definition is pretty much pointless. Whatever it means, he DIDN'T die okay?
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    Eman5805

    [27]Dec 7, 2006
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    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    doctor_lee wrote:
    Mortal wound is an injury which directly leads to death but after he got mortally wounded, before he died, Katara healed him. So he did NOT die.

    Well, based on what can you say that he was still alive and not dead already? Mortally wounded says not instantaneous, but Katara had to go back up that waterfall WAY back up to the surface, get everyone onto Appa(unless they were already on Appa), and then when they were already in the air she starts to heal him that is sure not an instant. Again, I can't say for sure, but seeing that large spiritual entity just keel over and fall, that the animators clearly depicted Katara holding Aang like Mary holding Jesus in that scuplture to me says he died...but even with that, it isn't 100% definitive of anything.

    I can't say he did or didn't, and know I'm right, simply cuz the creators can say whatever the hell they want about it and that's final. Doesn't even have to make sense like Aang fell asleep or something...


    Personally, I don't think she was holding him like the Pieta. And I'm a grad student Art Historian by the way. Of the Roman period (not the Renaissance), but none the less, in my scholarly opinion, it is unlikely that the pose was intended to emulate the Michelangelo Pieta. Simply because (1) there are too many differences between that screenshot and the Pieta, and (2) that's how anyone would hold a limp body.

    You??seem to??have a point. I've never really??looked??at??the scuplture??or even know it's name...actually I wanted to say it was a painting at first.

    Edited on 12/07/2006 9:10pm
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    the_jaguarundi

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    PinkTyLee wrote:
    The definition is pretty much pointless. Whatever it means, he DIDN'T die okay?


    I guess the only way it'll matter is if the Aang is the last Avatar, or if he can't achieve the Avatar State from on because of it?
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    the_jaguarundi

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    larde44 wrote:
    yay kataang still exist thanks


    Haha, and here's looking at you, Pooldude . . .
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    Eman5805

    [30]Dec 7, 2006
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    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    PinkTyLee wrote:
    The definition is pretty much pointless. Whatever it means, he DIDN'T die okay?


    I guess the only way it'll matter is if the Aang is the last Avatar, or if he can't achieve the Avatar State from on because of it?

    Hm...his arrow flashed right before he came back from the dead(that's what I think and nothin'll change it) so I don't think he's lost his Avatar spirit or can't go back into the Avatar State, but he could be cut off from Roku...what if some crazy stuff happend where the??Avatars immediatly preceding were cut off from Aang? like when Aang gets contacted by an Avatar it isn't Roku, cuz Roku is no longer connected to Aang since the most immediate Avatar??connections went first? just a thought...

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    doctor_lee

    [31]Dec 7, 2006
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    Eman5805 wrote:

    the_jaguarundi wrote:
    PinkTyLee wrote:
    The definition is pretty much pointless. Whatever it means, he DIDN'T die okay?


    I guess the only way it'll matter is if the Aang is the last Avatar, or if he can't achieve the Avatar State from on because of it?

    Hm...his arrow flashed right before he came back from the dead(that's what I think and nothin'll change it) so I don't think he's lost his Avatar spirit or can't go back into the Avatar State, but he could be cut off from Roku...what if some crazy stuff happend where the??Avatars immediatly preceding were cut off from Aang? like when Aang gets contacted by an Avatar it isn't Roku, cuz Roku is no longer connected to Aang since the most immediate Avatar??connections went first? just a thought...

    He never died. So he couldn't have came back from the dead. I'm not trying to provoke you but honestly I think you are being stuborn. I mean come on! The official site says he was just wounded.
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    Eman5805

    [32]Dec 7, 2006
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    Well rock is a stubborn element
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    Kyusho-Jitsu

    [33]Dec 7, 2006
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    Hmm... this is interesting.

    By the way, this has nothing to do with the ongoing conversation.

    If this is indeed true (and of course it is, I mean, it's from the web site), then, technically, if you use logic, that would mean that Aang's Avatar power is NOT gone, because he was never in the Avatar state. Remember the last thing Guru Pathik said? "If you leave now, you will not be able to go into the Avatar State at all!" Earlier, he mentioned that once he starts opening the Chakras, he won't be able to stop. With those two pieces of information, it is reasonable to conclude that if an Avatar starts but stops the Chakra opening, he cannot enter the Avatar State, UNTIL he finishes opening it. Now, we all know that Aang stopped. And since this says that he was interrupted BOTH times, first from his own will, and second from the lightning, that can only mean one thing: he was never in the Avatar State because he was interrupted in OPENING the last Chakra. Thus, he couldn't have been in the Avatar State because it was never fully open. So, conclusively, the Avatar has no chance to have disappeared, in other words, this answers the question of "Is Aang the Last Avatar?", at least for now, with a undeniable NO because he was never in the Avatar State.

    Yes, I know what you're thinking. I basically repeated one idea about 5 times during the end of my rambling. And you're correct!

    Edited on 12/07/2006 9:24pm
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    Eman5805

    [34]Dec 7, 2006
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    So the reason Aang just floated there was because he was "entering" the full and true Avatar state and not the imitation or the temporary instinctive Avatar State that Aang has been doing this whole time...that would explain that annoying lil thing...
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    Kyusho-Jitsu

    [35]Dec 7, 2006
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    Yes it would.

    Yay, now we don't have to think that Aang was too stupid to dodge a lightning bolt

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    Eman5805

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    Kyusho-Jitsu wrote:

    Yes it would.

    Yay, now we don't have to think that Aang was too stupid to dodge a lightning bolt

    ...that came from behind where he couldn't see it

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    Kyusho-Jitsu

    [37]Dec 7, 2006
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    Well, yes. I never actually doubted Aang's ability.

    I've always thought that he's very powerful and I really don't see why some people were bashing him and saying that he stinks at fighting.

    And yes, logically, that attack from behind would be hard to dodge. But some people insist that he is just weak... Well, now we have proof even for THEM.??He couldn't have defended himself because he had no control. His Chakra wasn't open yet.

    And to all those who think Aang is weak: watch the end of "The Drill" and tell me if you could pull a stunt like that

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    Eman5805

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    Kyusho-Jitsu wrote:

    Well, yes. I never actually doubted Aang's ability.

    I've always thought that he's very powerful and I really don't see why some people were bashing him and saying that he stinks at fighting.

    And yes, logically, that attack from behind would be hard to dodge. But some people insist that he is just weak... Well, now we have proof even for THEM.??He couldn't have defended himself because he had no control. His Chakra wasn't open yet.

    And to all those who think Aang is weak: watch the end of "The Drill" and tell me if you could pull a stunt like that

    No question the boy isn't weak, but he is soft. Would he lay into someone the way he laid into that spike? Aang only got one good blow in on anyone, and that was when he knocked Zuko back, but other than that the entire battle Aang was on the defensive, even on the drill against Azula his attacks even looked defensive. Like that wall he made to launch rocks at Azula, he couldn't even see her, that's why she could knock them away with such ease, they rocks were just flying at random with no real target. And Azula? She just went right through his shield and knocked him out cold.??We saw his softness again when he went head to head against Azula in "TCRoD" he coated himself in crystal to protect himself from Azula but just like before Azula powered right through, the kid is defending far too much and it isn't like he's Rope-a-Doping. Mohammad Ali could Rope-a-Dope cuz he had the offensive aggression to take down his opponents once they got tired, but Aang doesn't have that aggression, and when he finally showed it(that landslide move that Toph used) he got caught off guard(can't really fault him there)

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    meninwhite

    [39]Dec 7, 2006
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    If Aang gave up Katara good! If he didnt he will be leading himself to a life of pain.
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    Kyusho-Jitsu

    [40]Dec 7, 2006
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    Yes, I do agree that he is soft. But that is just the way he was trained. To respect life and to cherish it. Of course, the Avatar State thinks differently. That's pretty much the only time that Aang??ever destroys anything. But the amount of destruction that he can do in the Avatar State proves his power, for all you non believers.

    That being said, his softness could be a great asset for character development for the creators In fact, they've been sending hints about it throughout the series. The Avatar State is major in Aang's anger development, particularly in "The Desert". And also when they were going to the Earth King, in the beginning of the episode, he looked like he was REALLY angry. He also yelled at Joo Dee. I think that was the first time we saw him yell at anyone with that much aggression (I'm not counting the time he yelled at Toph because he felt bad about it later).

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