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Sozin's Comet (Series Finale) Official Discussion Thread - (*Major Spoilers*)

Rate the finale! How was it?

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    avataraang113

    [2862]Jul 20, 2008
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    avataraang113 wrote:
    where you goin in florida??? are you going to disneyworld???
    Nah. I'm going to Sea World to go to camp. Cool, eh? Then I'm going to my aunt and uncle's house to take their boat to Key West, I believe.

    thats cool....sorry....im a huge disney fan cuz i live close to d-land in california!!

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    xdarkdudex

    [2863]Jul 20, 2008
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    kratosgod69 wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:

    Also, Aang being able to go into the avatar state seemed like the creators were trying to have their cake and eat it too. The guru said that unless Aang gave up Keitara he would not be able to go into the Avatar state again, yet simply because he hit a rock he was able to go into the state? Even if he had a physical barrier or whatever, wouldn't that mean all that time ago when he was woke up by Keitara he wouldn't have known who she was? Because he went into the Avatar state, which means he should have forgotten who she was, right?

    Just a few things that struck me, I'm a big avatar fan, so I'd appreciate it if you guys didn't flame me for having a different opinion than you.

    Oh, and another thing, I was a big Zutara shipper, so I didn't like that either. I thought that Aang would have gone into avatar state to fight Ozai, and then finish him off in some insane way, like making a volcano explode near them or something, and that would leave Zuko open with Keitara.
    Aang can still be with Katara, he just can't have earthly attachments. He can still love her and access the Avatar State, but he can't prioritize her over everything else. I don't understand why he went into the Avatar State than either, but I can overlook it. And if you're honestly angry because Zutara didn't happen, get over it. It was never going to happen. I'm surprised they got as close as they did.

    By choosing the avatar state over her when he was with the guru, isn't that prioritizing her over everything else? So wouldn't that mean he shouldn't be able to go into the Avatar State?

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    xdarkdudex

    [2865]Jul 20, 2008
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:

    I'll probably have to put my flame shield on for this one, but honestly, I was a bit disappointed with the finale.

    With all the build up with Aang stressing over how he was going to defeat the fire lord without killing him, to have the Lion Turtle just come in randomly and give him a way out seemed like a cop out by the creators because they couldn't have Aang kill anybody considering its made for nick, which is a children's network.

    Another thing that makes me question the Lion Turtle is that the Avatars have been around for thousands of years, and the ones that Aang recalled when he was on the Turtle, Roku, Kyoshi, and the air and water ones, had no idea what the turtle was. In all their thousands of years the creators want you to believe that NONE of the avatars in the past came into contact with a giant floating island?

    It was not a cop out because Aang couldn't kill anyone according to Nick. People have died in this series. But you've got to realize throughout the whole entire show Aang has been against violence. It's the Air Nomad's way of life. This didn't suddenly come out of nowhere. The Lion Turtle was a mystery to the other Avatars, IMO, because they weren't worthy of his presence. Each one was ridiculously willing to take out a life without a second thought. Aang knew better, his soul was more pure. That's why the Lion Turtle Revealed itself.

    Ok, so even if the other avatars weren't "worthy" what about the other air nomads who had achieved a state of inner enlightenment or whatever the Air Avatar said? They were more spiritually enlightened than Aang and yet the turtle didn't appear to them.

    Also, the turtle didn't "reveal" himself to Aang, Aang had to 1. swim onto him, 2. spend (2?) days just wondering what he was doing, and 3. swim around to find its head.

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    isabelwhatx

    [2866]Jul 20, 2008
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    avataraang113 wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    avataraang113 wrote:
    where you goin in florida??? are you going to disneyworld???
    Nah. I'm going to Sea World to go to camp. Cool, eh? Then I'm going to my aunt and uncle's house to take their boat to Key West, I believe.

    thats cool....sorry....im a huge disney fan cuz i live close to d-land in california!!

    Lol. I once went to the one in Florida. I was in kindergarten. I swear, I went on a roller coaster in Lightening Mountain or something and I've hated roller coasters ever since.
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    DrAvatar

    [2867]Jul 20, 2008
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    I found the foreshadowing from The Library.

    Mike and Bryan sure are sneaky!

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    avataraang113

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:
    Ok, so even if the other avatars weren't "worthy" what about the other air nomads who had achieved a state of inner enlightenment or whatever the Air Avatar said? They were more spiritually enlightened than Aang and yet the turtle didn't appear to them. Also, the turtle didn't "reveal" himself to Aang, Aang had to 1. swim onto him, 2. spend (2?) days just wondering what he was doing, and 3. swim around to find its head.
    The turtle might've appeared to past Avatars. We only went back four generations. Aang was possessed. He didn't know where he was. The turtle brought him there.

    maybe he went to the turtle subconciously cuz he was so stressed about if he should kill the firelord or not....

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    code_yumi

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    xdarkdudex wrote:
    Ok, so even if the other avatars weren't "worthy" what about the other air nomads who had achieved a state of inner enlightenment or whatever the Air Avatar said? They were more spiritually enlightened than Aang and yet the turtle didn't appear to them. Also, the turtle didn't "reveal" himself to Aang, Aang had to 1. swim onto him, 2. spend (2?) days just wondering what he was doing, and 3. swim around to find its head.
    The other air nomads didn't have the conflict Aang had. And the turtle lion did somewhat appear to Aang, and it drew him to it through a force Aang wasn't aware of.
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    isabelwhatx

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    xdarkdudex wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:

    I'll probably have to put my flame shield on for this one, but honestly, I was a bit disappointed with the finale.

    With all the build up with Aang stressing over how he was going to defeat the fire lord without killing him, to have the Lion Turtle just come in randomly and give him a way out seemed like a cop out by the creators because they couldn't have Aang kill anybody considering its made for nick, which is a children's network.

    Another thing that makes me question the Lion Turtle is that the Avatars have been around for thousands of years, and the ones that Aang recalled when he was on the Turtle, Roku, Kyoshi, and the air and water ones, had no idea what the turtle was. In all their thousands of years the creators want you to believe that NONE of the avatars in the past came into contact with a giant floating island?

    It was not a cop out because Aang couldn't kill anyone according to Nick. People have died in this series. But you've got to realize throughout the whole entire show Aang has been against violence. It's the Air Nomad's way of life. This didn't suddenly come out of nowhere. The Lion Turtle was a mystery to the other Avatars, IMO, because they weren't worthy of his presence. Each one was ridiculously willing to take out a life without a second thought. Aang knew better, his soul was more pure. That's why the Lion Turtle Revealed itself.

    Ok, so even if the other avatars weren't "worthy" what about the other air nomads who had achieved a state of inner enlightenment or whatever the Air Avatar said? They were more spiritually enlightened than Aang and yet the turtle didn't appear to them.

    Also, the turtle didn't "reveal" himself to Aang, Aang had to 1. swim onto him, 2. spend (2?) days just wondering what he was doing, and 3. swim around to find its head.



    The turtle might've appeared to past Avatars. We only went back four generations. Aang was possessed. He didn't know where he was. The turtle brought him there.
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    isabelwhatx

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    DrAvatar wrote:

    I found the foreshadowing from The Library.

    Mike and Bryan sure are sneaky!


    Wow, that's amazing. We had the answer right under our noses! Ahahaha.
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    avataraang113

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    DrAvatar wrote:

    I found the foreshadowing from The Library.

    Mike and Bryan sure are sneaky!

    how weird is that...sweet!!!!

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    xdarkdudex

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    avataraang113 wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:
    Ok, so even if the other avatars weren't "worthy" what about the other air nomads who had achieved a state of inner enlightenment or whatever the Air Avatar said? They were more spiritually enlightened than Aang and yet the turtle didn't appear to them. Also, the turtle didn't "reveal" himself to Aang, Aang had to 1. swim onto him, 2. spend (2?) days just wondering what he was doing, and 3. swim around to find its head.
    The turtle might've appeared to past Avatars. We only went back four generations. Aang was possessed. He didn't know where he was. The turtle brought him there.

    maybe he went to the turtle subconciously cuz he was so stressed about if he should kill the firelord or not....

    Then his body wouldn't have left the house.

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    xdarkdudex

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    code_yumi wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:
    Ok, so even if the other avatars weren't "worthy" what about the other air nomads who had achieved a state of inner enlightenment or whatever the Air Avatar said? They were more spiritually enlightened than Aang and yet the turtle didn't appear to them. Also, the turtle didn't "reveal" himself to Aang, Aang had to 1. swim onto him, 2. spend (2?) days just wondering what he was doing, and 3. swim around to find its head.
    The other air nomads didn't have the conflict Aang had. And the turtle lion did somewhat appear to Aang, and it drew him to it through a force Aang wasn't aware of.

    And although this isn't in the actual story, I would have to imagine they did have the same conflict when the fire nation invaded them and started slaughtering. Should they defend themselves and kill the fire nationers? Wouldn't that basically be the same conflict?

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    DeathandDoom

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    I really don't agree. One of Avatar's hallmarks is that all their battles take place in real time, and in the real world, few fights last over 15 minutes. In fact, Aang vs. Ozai was far and away the longest fight in the entire show; it was the only one that lasted two episodes.

    Katara vs Azula was in many ways unique; Katara was the only one of the Gaang that had to fight someone that was far more powerful than her, which really makes her victory that much more of an accomplishmeant.

    And need I remind you that if Katara hadn't gotten her shot, she would have just stood their doing nothing for the entire finalie?!

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    code_yumi

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    xdarkdudex wrote:
    avataraang113 wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:
    Ok, so even if the other avatars weren't "worthy" what about the other air nomads who had achieved a state of inner enlightenment or whatever the Air Avatar said? They were more spiritually enlightened than Aang and yet the turtle didn't appear to them. Also, the turtle didn't "reveal" himself to Aang, Aang had to 1. swim onto him, 2. spend (2?) days just wondering what he was doing, and 3. swim around to find its head.
    The turtle might've appeared to past Avatars. We only went back four generations. Aang was possessed. He didn't know where he was. The turtle brought him there.

    maybe he went to the turtle subconciously cuz he was so stressed about if he should kill the firelord or not....

    Then his body wouldn't have left the house.

    Yes it would've. Subconciously means he was in a trance which he was. The turtle lion did somewhat appear to Aang, and it drew him to it through a force Aang wasn't aware of.
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    WowBowSon

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:

    I found the foreshadowing from The Library.

    Mike and Bryan sure are sneaky!


    Wow, that's amazing. We had the answer right under our noses! Ahahaha.


    ya but where do the trees come into play? i thought there was no rock/dirt
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    code_yumi

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    xdarkdudex wrote:

    code_yumi wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:
    Ok, so even if the other avatars weren't "worthy" what about the other air nomads who had achieved a state of inner enlightenment or whatever the Air Avatar said? They were more spiritually enlightened than Aang and yet the turtle didn't appear to them. Also, the turtle didn't "reveal" himself to Aang, Aang had to 1. swim onto him, 2. spend (2?) days just wondering what he was doing, and 3. swim around to find its head.
    The other air nomads didn't have the conflict Aang had. And the turtle lion did somewhat appear to Aang, and it drew him to it through a force Aang wasn't aware of.

    And although this isn't in the actual story, I would have to imagine they did have the same conflict when the fire nation invaded them and started slaughtering. Should they defend themselves and kill the fire nationers? Wouldn't that basically be the same conflict?

    Yes, I would imagine so, but of course the turtle lion wouldn't have had time to appear to them. Also, from when Aang found Gyatso:

    He clearly killed Fire Nation soliders before he was killed.

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    isabelwhatx

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    xdarkdudex wrote:
    avataraang113 wrote:

    isabelwhatx wrote:
    xdarkdudex wrote:
    Ok, so even if the other avatars weren't "worthy" what about the other air nomads who had achieved a state of inner enlightenment or whatever the Air Avatar said? They were more spiritually enlightened than Aang and yet the turtle didn't appear to them. Also, the turtle didn't "reveal" himself to Aang, Aang had to 1. swim onto him, 2. spend (2?) days just wondering what he was doing, and 3. swim around to find its head.
    The turtle might've appeared to past Avatars. We only went back four generations. Aang was possessed. He didn't know where he was. The turtle brought him there.

    maybe he went to the turtle subconciously cuz he was so stressed about if he should kill the firelord or not....

    Then his body wouldn't have left the house.


    Yes it would. Subconciously and spiritually are two very different things.
    xdarkdudex wrote:


    And although this isn't in the actual story, I would have to imagine they did have the same conflict when the fire nation invaded them and started slaughtering. Should they defend themselves and kill the fire nationers? Wouldn't that basically be the same conflict?

    No, because Aang was the Avatar at that time. He was frozen during that period.
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    MaddoKos

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    pengufile wrote:
    I read somewhere that by Aang hitting his back against the rock released one of his Chakras or something, and that was how he was able to go into the Avatar state.


    His wound (where Azula has blasted him) was struck. If I remember correctly that wound was about even with his solar plexus. The yellow solar plexus chakra, Manipura, controls power and will. Rather appropriate, then, that its blockage would have blocked the Avatar State. Although I suppose if any of the chakras had been blocked, it would have inhibited AS.

    Sorry, just thought I'd throw that in.

    Lmao. And I thought I was obsessed.


    Well, Religious Studies (mainly Hinduism and Buddhism) is one of my majors, so whenever chakras, third eyes, gurus etc. are mentioned on these boards, I just start spewing information.
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