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Rate the Finale out of 10 (spoilers if you havent watched)

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    beka777angel

    [81]Jul 22, 2008
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    qtwanderer wrote:
    8.2/10 + Bumi was awesome - Iroh was barely seen...makes a hole in the wall and burns a flag - The end kiss...seriously, could have been written better - Ozai did not seem as powerful as he was portrayed...Iroh was not sure he could take him on...this guy should have had white flames coming out of everywhere and erupting volcanoes. - Katara...nuff said + Good animated fights I have no need to go on, but there was more.

    I still give this movie 10/10 So Epic. I thought Ozai was quite powerful in the movie. I mean Ozai was shooting lightning out everywhere. Aang had no chance of survival until he went into Avatar State mode. (although Aanf could have defeated ozai when he redirected the lightning) I would have appreciated more Katara.

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    bannerlovemarry

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    8/10 it was certainly very good but i didn't get any feeling of closure at the end. There was far too much left unexplained

    Also a few people have complained about EIP and how it was unnecessary. I think that the writers included the episode to recap what had happened for people who are not as avid avatards as we are. It makes sense considering how sporadic new avatar episodes have been.
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    avatarrulez1234

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    I give the finale a 1/10.
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    DrAvatar

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    avatarrulez1234 wrote:
    I give the finale a 1/10.
    You forgot a zero there bud.
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    avatarrulez1234

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    DrAvatar wrote:
    avatarrulez1234 wrote:
    I give the finale a 1/10.
    You forgot a zero there bud.
    Yeah LOL. The finale was definitely a 10.
    Edited on 07/22/2008 10:18am
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    Knightshade03

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    10/10 I thought it was awsome and appropriate based on the show.

    I notice several people have ranked it low and were disappointed with certain aspects. While I can understand it, certain realities have to be taken into account. First and formost, this is a children's show, not adult. It's rated Y-7, not TV-PG. That being said, to expect any type of death in the finale is unrealistic. No type of death was ever going to take place. Show me a children's show that has death and I'll show you a show written before 1985. Justice League is written for teens and up and even there deaths are few and far between (except for the series finale, but I digress). No one died in this show. Even Jet's fate is unclear. The mom was dead before series started and even when they showed how she died, they didn't even show an attack.

    Zuko/Katara was never going to happen. It was always going to be Aang/Katar. Regardless of how anyone feels, for a children's show, shes not going to get with the former bad guy. Zuko/Katara was another totally unrealistic expectation.

    And I liked the lion-turtle. Reminds me of the old myth of the giant turtle with the world on his back. Don't see anyone complaining about the lizard-hound which was also new in this episode and instrumental in getting Sokka and his group to the fight.

    The problem with what a lot of people wanted is they wanted an adult ending in a children's show. It wasn't going to happen. True, it was great for adults to watch but in the end, the audience is preteen and that's who this ending was written for.

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    tico1125

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    WorldTyrant wrote:

    I give this finale a 5 out of a possible 10. I enjoy Avatar very much, but I feel that the final was lackluster and somewhat rushed.

    1. It sets up for an obvious sequel or spin-off. I do not like this idea, as it will not be of the same quality as Avatar. The big bad is gone, going into the future would take away from the characters we like, but continuing with them would be pointless. Introducing new characters (like Yugioh GX) would possibly ruin the entire series. This leads me to ...

    You have some very good points here. They did leave a lot for a new spin-off or more seasons, but they left it so you are not sure what they are going to do with it. Take for instance, they did not cover the airbenders as we saw in a previous magazine publication. I think they changed the end around so they can do another season. I think they should cover more of the past than the present now. For instance, they can show the first attack on the Air Nation. That would make a world of a difference for the future show. That alone will cover the Air Nomads whereabouts.

    WorldTyrant wrote:

    2. To many loose ends left. The most obvious: Where is Zuko's mother? Second: What happened to Azula? Third: Why was it never brought up between Zuko and Aang that they are actually related, with Aang being Zuko's quasi-great-grandfather because of Roku & Sozin.

    Another point to further validate my theory on a new show for the past. They can cover the angles of Zuko's full relation to Roku and cover his mother's banishment.

    WorldTyrant wrote:

    3. Deus Ex Machina - Giant Lion Turtle. I'm aware that it's *likeness* appeared in several other episodes, but the concept was new. It was pulled out at the last minute as a way to push the plot along and a convenient time-filler. While these are not inherently bad, I feel that to use something like this, one must seed the rest of the series with references to them. This being appeared for no reason, with no backstory, with an unexplained purpose. We are free to *interpret* such, but as anyone can tell from looking at a shipping war, interpretation does not a good show make.

    Yes, it was a bit cheesy, but did anyone pick up the fact that we could not clearly hear what the turtle was telling Aang in the first place? I replayed it several times and on each play, I couldn't decipher that he was telling Aang about removing someone's ability to bend. It wasn't until later did the replay make it sound right. To me it was deliberate so no one would know how the show was going to end. Therefore it is safe to say that the writers planned it out that way. As for them not seeing the Lion turtles, well it would seem that no one knew about it. Since the island was constantly moving, it makes sense why no one seen it. Therefore, in my opinion, the reference to the lion turtle in a picture from the library and lack of knowledge, justifies the part that it took.

    WorldTyrant wrote:

    4. Lack luster fight scenes. Yes, they *looked* amazing and they were well done. However, I found them to be unoriginal. Ozai and Aang are the worst offenders. Their fight can be evenly divided into one of them beating the crap out of each other until the hero (Aang) suddenly regains his powers by looking into himself/trauma/etc.. Take your pick. DBZ has all of those. I wanted to see a fight of equal blows traded and a great finale. What I received was a pair of chases throughout a giant canyon.

    In that same vein, the Zuko vs. Azula fight was brilliant. I enjoyed the whole thing, until Katara fought. I feel that Zuko's final crowning moment, defeating his sister fairly, was just pulled out from under him. Throughout the entire series, he has lost more battles than anyone besides fire nation soldiers. He surrendered the ultimate fight (his father) to Aang, and chose the penultimate (Azula) and was not allowed to finish that. Instead, Katara saves the day. I can't help but feel that the long-standing Zuko/Aang comparison was suddenly severed. Zuko was thrown out of the limelight to let the entire episode settle and center upon Aang, even though he had been the flipside/darkside of Aang's adventures for the past 2 seasons. He is traded out for a heroine defeating the villainess. I have nothing against girls being super powerful, but that was Zuko's fight, not Katara's. Katara was there as a final tease to shippers and to get her some screen time. There's no easy solution that can be had to give Zuko and Katara their equal due, but I feel that this was the worst decision they could have made.

    Here is where I have to disagree with you most! The fight scenes were taylored to each character's personality and were well mapped out. Let's do a little analyzing for the sake of argument. Since you mentioned DBZ, I will use it as a foundation (especially since I WAS a big fan of DBZ and DB GT). The fight scene between Ozai and Aang was just right. As we've seen in DBZ, the fights last many episodes with a character spending most of the time either charging up and sweating... or they are monologuing big time. That was annoying for me. I like to see less talk and more action! That is what was brought with Aang and Ozai. Aang didn't have the AS so he tried his best to take on Ozai at the beginning. After getting knocked around, he then reverted to his defensive methods. That was all the chasing you mentioned.... However it looked to be a tactful retreat. Further thought into it says that if you are being attacked by someone who has an advantage over you, then retreat and wear them down. Aang was buying time until the comet passed. That way super Ozai would not be so powerful. The bonus to it was that he distracted Ozai from burning the Earth kingdom down. I like to think that was his goal. He knew Ozai's plan and they had to stop him form executing it. They had to delay his time the same way Azula delayed their's during the eclipse. Luck had it that Aang's back got knocked into the rock and his AS was revived. Was that cheesy? Maybe. The good thing is that in the end Aang beat Ozai on his own. How when he used the AS? Well Aang didn't kill him. Therefore Aang had control over himself. Then he was not in the AS when he took Ozai's bending.

    Onto Zuko. That was definitely a great fight! Did he lose the fight to Azula? NO. He knocked her flat. Azula chose to cheat and shoot at Katara. She broke the rules of Agni Kai and therefore the Agni Kai fight was over. That means Azula admitted defeat to Zuko and tried to hit him where it would hurt thus enabling Katara to fight back. Katara didn't steal the fight from Zuko. The writers did it that way to show how Azula has no honor. The same way that Zhao did to Zuko in Agni Kai. Oops! I just mentioned a fight that Zuko did win! That's right, his Agni Kai with Zhao was a winner.

    WorldTyrant wrote:

    5. Not enough screen time for other characters. The White Lotus army was more or less a sidenote throughout the entire thing. Even the blimp battle got more time. I'm not against that, but it feels like it was written up as a last minute idea to reintroduce all the old men (sans Guru) in the series as a single unit. I really wanted a brief back-and-forth between Bumi and Toph. I wanted Jeong Jeong to say something to Zuko about his firebending. Instead are only given the events of Zuko spending time with Iroh and Pakku geting a glomp from Sokka. I know Avatar has plethora of characters (only dwarfed by Bleach), but the important secondary ones were not given their due.

    I have to agree with you here. They shoudl have covered the White Lotus society more. It just felt like it was thrown in the mix. I hope that if they do another season, that it is covered. As I stated before, it should be something that covers the past. That way they can bring it to the present and future.

    My score for the finale is 10/10. Hat off to the writers.

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    Eliolith

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    Knightshade03 wrote:

    10/10 I thought it was awsome and appropriate based on the show.

    I notice several people have ranked it low and were disappointed with certain aspects. While I can understand it, certain realities have to be taken into account. First and formost, this is a children's show, not adult. It's rated Y-7, not TV-PG. That being said, to expect any type of death in the finale is unrealistic. No type of death was ever going to take place. Show me a children's show that has death and I'll show you a show written before 1985.

    All of the old time Disney movies which I watched when I was 7 years old had death in them: Lion King's Scar was ripped to shreds by the hyenas, Beauty and the Beast's Gaston fell to his death, Bambi's mother was killed in the first scene. Its not like death is something that kids cannot handle. The Lion King was arguably the greatest Disney movie of all time because it contained great themes that adults could agree on, and was simplistic enough that children could grasp the general idea. "this is a children's show" is no excuse for why they could not use darker themes. Now they don't necessarily have to show Ozai dying, they could have just as easily shown a shadow of Ozai going limp, and falling to the ground. The scene would have served its purpose and not really shown much of anything for the younger audience.

    Although I'm arguing against, I personally like the fact that Aang achieved the power to take away another's bending abilities. With it they were able to show an amazing scene where Aangs inner power pretty much obliterated Ozai's fire bending powers. But you can't say that kids and death can't mix. Because they have in the past, and everything turned out just fine. Sometimes children just need to know that some villians will never give up as long as the live, so the hero needs to do what is right to restore balance.

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    tomtitan

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    If I were to seriously score the finale, 9.9 out of 10. The loose threads I can live with, what bugged me was the FAIL LINES!
    Ozai: Prepare to die!

    Yes, because a villain's never said that before... >_>

    But that's really just EXTREME nitpicking. Really it deserves a...umm...really, really big number/10
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    CorpseVendor

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    9.5/10 (because of some of the cliffies)

    -The comedy was funny
    -The action was amazing
    -The animation was spectacular for a TV movie.
    -The music was beautiful and full of emotion. (SOUNDTRACK! You sing petition now!)
    -The emotional scenes were hear throbbing/tear jerking even

    Overall, in the history of any great cartoon tv series. I'd say it was wonderfully well done.
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    Knightshade03

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    Eliolith wrote:
    Knightshade03 wrote:

    10/10 I thought it was awsome and appropriate based on the show.

    I notice several people have ranked it low and were disappointed with certain aspects. While I can understand it, certain realities have to be taken into account. First and formost, this is a children's show, not adult. It's rated Y-7, not TV-PG. That being said, to expect any type of death in the finale is unrealistic. No type of death was ever going to take place. Show me a children's show that has death and I'll show you a show written before 1985.

    All of the old time Disney movies which I watched when I was 7 years old had death in them: Lion King's Scar was ripped to shreds by the hyenas, Beauty and the Beast's Gaston fell to his death, Bambi's mother was killed in the first scene. Its not like death is something that kids cannot handle. The Lion King was arguably the greatest Disney movie of all time because it contained great themes that adults could agree on, and was simplistic enough that children could grasp the general idea. "this is a children's show" is no excuse for why they could not use darker themes. Now they don't necessarily have to show Ozai dying, they could have just as easily shown a shadow of Ozai going limp, and falling to the ground. The scene would have served its purpose and not really shown much of anything for the younger audience.

    Although I'm arguing against, I personally like the fact that Aang achieved the power to take away another's bending abilities. With it they were able to show an amazing scene where Aangs inner power pretty much obliterated Ozai's fire bending powers. But you can't say that kids and death can't mix. Because they have in the past, and everything turned out just fine. Sometimes children just need to know that some villians will never give up as long as the live, so the hero needs to do what is right to restore balance.

    In the past you could have death in your opening sequence, i.e. Speed Racer and Star Blazers. If you read I said show me a children's SHOW as in TV show that shows death and I'll show you a show written before 1985. Those were Disney MOVIES, designed for the big screen. You're comparing apples to oranges. You can't compare big screen movies to TV. And even then, there's a difference from past to present. In 1959 when Sleeping Beauty came out, we see the sword going through the dragon. In 1991, in Beauty and the Beast all we see is Gaston falling through the clouds. The times have change. This is a TV show, NOT MOVIE, rated Y-7 so NO they CAN'T show darker themes because they're NOT ALLOWED to. IT'S A CHILDREN'S TV SHOW RATED Y-7. A rating LOWER than TV-G. It's not an excuse, it's the LAW. That's why it has the Y-7 rating. It means mild or cartoon violence. If they want to show darker themes, they need to bump it up like the Justice League which usually carried a TV-14 rating.

    So, I'm not saying kids and death can't mix, I'm saying they can't mix at this level.

    Edited on 07/22/2008 2:11pm
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    Eliolith

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    Knightshade03 wrote:

    In the past you could have death in your opening sequence, i.e. Speed Racer and Star Blazers. If you read I said show me a children's SHOW as in TV show that shows death and I'll show you a show written before 1985. Those were Disney MOVIES, designed for the big screen. You're comparing apples to oranges. You can't compare big screen movies to TV. And even then, there's a difference from past to present. In 1959 when Sleeping Beauty came out, we see the sword going through the dragon. In 1991, in Beauty and the Beast all we see is Gaston falling through the clouds. The times have change. This is a TV show, NOT MOVIE, rated Y-7 so NO they CAN'T show darker themes because they're NOT ALLOWED to. IT'S A CHILDREN'S TV SHOW RATED Y-7. A rating LOWER than TV-G. It's not an excuse, it's the LAW. That's why it has the Y-7 rating. It means mild or cartoon violence. If they want to show darker themes, they need to bump it up like the Justice League which usually carried a TV-14 rating.

    So, I'm not saying kids and death can't mix, I'm saying they can't mix at this level.

    A Y7-FV rating just means it might not be suitable for ages under 7. The reason they don't just go with a G rating (which is exactly the same as a show rated Y7-FV) like most shows, is because the network that airs the show wants to tell the audience that it is more of a 7-10 year old kind of show rather than a show for the entire family to watch together. So get your facts straight about the ratings first before you try to bash me about "ITS THE LAW" Also the Justice League is rated at TV-14 because it contains "strong violence and blood" Avatar never shows blood, which is why it never gets this rating, but the show CAN kill somebody as long as they don't cross this line. Which is why I hinted at them showing the shadow of Ozai going limp. Thus there is no blood, no extreme violence, and can get a Y7-FV rating. I can however settle on the fact that the show would most likely have gotten a G rating. Killing Ozai seems like a more mature subject, so it would have been something considered by the network for the entire family, not just for viewers around the ages 7-10. But that doesn't mean it does not comply with all standards of a show rated Y7-FV, it just means the network would have viewed it as a more family oriented rather than kid oriented.

    Oh and there is little to no difference between movies and TV shows, which is exactly why they use the same rating system on both. If a person spliced together all the episodes of the 1st season of Avatar, then it would just become a really long movie about 7-8 hours long. So I really was not measuring apples to oranges, it was more like orange slices to oranges.

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    RR4RogueRaven

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    L0717 wrote:
    speechless8582 wrote:
    L0717 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/10

    No other show, movie, book, game, whatever, has ever filled me with such a sheer sense of awe and satisfaction, nor have they ever been as thought stimulating.

    Sozins Comet pwns.

    Enough said.

    you obviously haven't watched other great tv shows.

    or avatar pwns them all.

    nope

    Er we are forgetting bout JLU no? That's the way I found I wasn't just feeling empty for the ending. I remembered how I felt with JLU ending I felt amazed and full, Yeah completely...I used to think Avatar was at the very same level but the ending felt different, it amazed me yes not with the lil details like the league but with how well it was done...I love the fact it left somethings open I'm not obssesive bout knowin everything. I just imagined that fight since the siege of the north, and for a moment for a long moment it was perfect till the sacrifice it wasn't called for wasn't needed unless the creators wanted Zutara to happen and we know that wasn't the case.
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    ChibiMaddiChan

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    Pros:
    -Azula vs Zuko
    Hands down, this was my favorite fight in the entire finale. (Save Katara entering the fight.) I'll have to agree that I felt there was really no need to have the sacrifice and that part of the fight did make it a bit cliche` but at the same time, I do understand it: I think it was more to the point to show that Azula had no honor and just how much of a person Zuko has grown into: not so much a lame attempt (last ditch) at Zutara, but just because that's honestly the way Zuko is. Had that been anyone, I think he would have done the same thing: Zuko has honor that both Ozai and Azula completely lack.

    But honestly, the music drove that fight home. It made the fight seem almost tragic and it really drove the emotion home: on the one hand, you desperately want Zuko to win but deep down, it's just pretty sad that this fight is even happening in the first place. You knew it was coming, but it was still just sad. It was probably my favorite piece of music that was played during the entire finale.

    -The rest of the Fights
    Pretty much, it was known that Aang would win because, well, duh. And while the playout WAS rather cliche`, I did like his solution to making Ozai no longer a threat and that's what I liked the most: while he had to use Avatar State to weaken Ozai down (Which in and of itself was awesome. It reminded me of a really cheap King of Fighters finale boss. ), he actually found a way that he could be satisified with and still save the world.

    The White Lotus were just plain awesome.


    Other than Azula/Zuko, watching Sokka and the rest of the gang take down the airships was kinda emotional. Esp. when Sokka got hurt and it looked like he would drop Toph. I still figured none of the Gaang would have died, but for a split second, it was sad to see that scene. Again, the music really moved the part.

    -The Music
    Rather beautiful and really helped to move a lot of the scenes.

    -The Characters = Pretty Awesome
    Just about everyone was on their best in this episode: the White Lotus rocked, Aang was emotional but kicked but (and still had a mini adventure, which I thought was a nice touch), Sokka and Toph where at their usual best, Ozai made one hell of a nice villian though. I'll admit, when his VA said "I'm still alive..." towards the end, completely with the scathing looking he gave Suki, it was actually kind of creepy. His overall nature throughout the show has been truly hate worthy and I think they wrote him very well. Besides, it takes a special kind of person to put Azula in her place with just a simple raise of his voice. XD

    -Presentation/Scenes
    There were just a lot of great (or even epic) scenes that happened during the finale that could touch a person's emotions:
    1. Zuko and Iroh's reunion.
    Overall, it was just very heart warming to see and long overdue.
    2. Sokka holding Toph's hand; her slipping.
    The way it was done was brilliant. The music, the slight slow down, Sokka's light joke as he desperately tried to hold on and Toph getting teary eyed as she realized she was about to fall, not to mention Sokka, with a hurt leg, had no way to get out of the way of the oncoming attack by Firenation soilders...had they wanted to do a death in this episode, had it been one of them, I think I actually would have cried.
    3. Azula chained up.
    I'll admit, I was in awe. Seeing a character like Azula, who you respectfully have to hate for her awesomeness as a fighter and brillance as a manipulator and cunning diva...to just see her slowly loose it throughout the show and to finally just go completely wild animal like, shooting fire from her mouth and sobbing...it was just amazing. That has got to be the one image that stuck with me from the finale. I actually felt sorry for her.

    Just to name a few...

    -Azula
    Nuff Said...

    -Humor
    For this to be a serious event, I loved the humor that was introduced in this finale. Sokka and Toph were awesome as usual, the little exchange with the Firenation soliders on the airship was priceless, and Azula slowing loosing it was even funny in some places.

    Cons:
    -Katara
    She just felt 'stuck in' in the finale to me. In the beginning, she seemed to have her usual 'Day in the Life' purpose as always, just like the rest of the characters. (Though I'll admit, forgiving Zuko aside, I thought she'd be a little more upset that he seemingly just attacked Aang for no reason...) But as the finale went on, it just seemed like they felt a need to stick her into the final fights somehow and to me, her involvement was just lackluster. I would have prefered that Zuko just finish his fight with his sister. Certainly, you can argue that Azula attacked Katara to show just how dishonorable she was, but I would have much rather seen Zuko persevere through the attack and still come out somehow beating Azula (not pulling WTF power out of his butt, but more like a 'David and Golith' concept) than Katara just coming into the fray, just to give her character something to do. I think in the end, the fight would have meant more. It would have been nice if they had left someone for Katara to contend with so she could have her own 1 on 1 or her own battle with someone else. Like if she'd met up with her father and the others and helped them kick butt, seeing another part of the ending war.

    -Some events and storylines were wrapped up to quickly
    I know it was just two hours, but honestly, I was a little disappointed at the time that was spent to certain events or what happened with certain characters. The White Lotus fight was wonderfully but felt short overall. I did love that Iroh took the very place where his son died and overall dreamed about taking, back for the Earth Kingdom: but since the place and the person taking it back over had so much more symbolism, I felt there should have been more time spent on it.

    Mai and Ty Lee just felt rushed. After the pair went up against Azula and such, I just though the way they were just 'let out' and pretty much everything is happy go lucky was pretty lame: Zuko almost seemed like he forgot about Mai, being happy to see her and all. You think (considering how much effort they put into showing they liked one another) that him setting her free would have been one of the first things on his list. Or rather, given Mai's personality, I was actually surprised she didn't, along with Ty Lee, find a way to get free from prison to help everyone out heck, why no one even bother to look into helping them escape. (Now that was something Katara could have done: helped free the other prisoners with the help of her father and such.)

    I'm aware that the Firenation might have been spread thin, but considering that they put up much more of an effort in previous battles (in this same season) I was a little surprised how this was done: the Dai Li? were just lamely brushed off, as were anyone that could have been a potiental threat anyone near the FNC where Azula was, pretty much purposely making the fight between her, Zuko and Katara that much more easier. I know it was done to show her 'madness' but it was also pretty darn convienant too. And the fact that they never show up anywhere else in the finale, like fighting the White Lotus and helping the Gaang's side after being dumped just seemed questionable.

    -Unanswered Questions
    I think I would have taken the "What happend to Zuko's Mother" unanswered question better had they not gone out of their way to dedicate a scene to Zuko asking. It's like seeing a piece of chocolate cake then someone telling you that your not allowed to eat it, even though you've been looking forward to it all day: it's just wrong. Though it definately gave off the vibe of "1 Hour Special to Come!"

    Why exactly did Azula see her mother in the mirror? Was she actually there? Was the exchange a hint that Azula had something to do with whatever befell her mother and the exchange was a inside look to Azula own brief regret about the situation, for maybe not heeding her mother's teachings and warnings?

    What actually happened to Azula? We can assume she was imprisoned, but then again, she also snapped pretty badly and was probably a handful.

    Minor but I'd love to know: what exactly happened to Iroh's son and why wasn't he able to save him? And how did that lead him into the spritiual encountered and drastically changed his view on the war and Firenation's plans as a whole? (Honestly, they need to make a 'Secret of a Firenation' type of special, because a lot of stuff that was never answered had a lot to do with them.)

    Who actually murdered Zuko's grandfather and how exactly did this come about? If Zuko's mother did it, was she tricked into it? Did he really plan to kill Zuko or maybe it was Azula and she believed it was Zuko instead? Did Ozai do it and she took the fall somehow?

    Overall: 9.5/10
    It really was one of the best finale's I've seen in a good long while for a show. It did leave things unanswered, which did suck, but overall, it was done beautifully.

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    de_flames101

    [95]Jul 22, 2008
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    6/10

    +EPIC! in general

    +EPIC music

    +Very emotional.

    +Zuko and Iroh scene. Classic.

    +Animated beautifully.

    -Too many loose ends. Where's Zuko's mother? How come Zuko doesn't need the spirit water when Aang did? Koh? Iroh in the spirit world? etc. Too many to fit under here. I'll add more later.

    -The lionturtle. Sure, it was brought up a few times in previous episodes, but seriously what the heck. Why would Aang decide to listen to it instead of his past lives?

    -Spiritbending... Where the heck did that come from? The lionturtle, but seriously... what? Maybe a better explanation given to the audience during the finale would be a little better.

    -Avatar State by means of a rock. Self-explanatory. Response:"bbbbut,but HE UNBLOCKED HIS CHAKRA..." = fail. What was the point of the guru if Aang could just bypass the laws of the Avatar State?

    -Kataang. Cute, but utterly spontaneous. I understand that it was to please the younger viewer, but a bit of a dialogue between Katara and Aang would have made the ending so much better.

    -Felt rushed overall. Why did Bryke cram everything at the end instead of just making a few more episodes?

    -Some of the dialogue. It took me a few rewinds to figure out what the lionturtle was saying. Anyone else?

    Also, after Zuko saves Katara's life (for the second time mind you) what kind of crummy dialogue was that? Oh yeah, thanks Zuko. Bye now!

    All in all the finale was epic, but left too many questions unanswered. Sure, there will be spin-offs, but it was called the FINALe for a reason.

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    Axrendale

    [96]Jul 22, 2008
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    L0717 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/10

    No other show, movie, book, game, whatever, has ever filled me with such a sheer sense of awe and satisfaction, nor have they ever been as thought stimulating.

    Sozins Comet pwns.

    Enough said.

    you obviously haven't watched other great tv shows.

    I have watched many, many, tv shows, and I have never seen one that even approaches the radiant majestic glory that is Avatar the last Airbender. The only, emphasis on the word only, tales that have ever managed to inspire me the way Avatar does are Star Wars (the original trilogy and some of the books), Harry Potter (the books), and Lord of the Rings (both the movies and the books). In some ways ATLA will never be able compare to those masterpieces, but many other, important ways Avatar easily surpasses them. Sozins Comet is, beyond a shadow of doubt, easily the equal of the endings to these giants. I never expected that anything could inspire within me such powerful emotions as this show conjured up within me - I wept, laughed, cheered, clapped, urged the characters on, willing them alll towards success, whether in victory or defeat. To have achieved this wonder, even if the fandom may not have been as large as other epic legends enjoyed, Mike and Bryan deserve to be hailed as the peers of Tolkien, Rowling, and Lucas.

    The complaint that keeps coming up is the loose ends. Personally, I think that those loose ends are the greatest aspect of the finale; by delibrately leaving such a gap, the writers have ensured that the Avatar world will not perish. They have left corners unexplored in their world because they know that as fans we wish nothing more than to explore these corners. It's one of the things that will keep Avatar alive.

    It is true that some of the characters had some lines of dialogue that could sound corny if simply read in text, but luckily the brilliance of the voice actors made it all sound perfect.

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    tomtitan

    [97]Jul 23, 2008
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    Axrendale wrote:
    L0717 wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/10

    No other show, movie, book, game, whatever, has ever filled me with such a sheer sense of awe and satisfaction, nor have they ever been as thought stimulating.

    Sozins Comet pwns.

    Enough said.

    you obviously haven't watched other great tv shows.

    I have watched many, many, tv shows, and I have never seen one that even approaches the radiant majestic glory that is Avatar the last Airbender. The only, emphasis on the word only, tales that have ever managed to inspire me the way Avatar does are Star Wars (the original trilogy and some of the books), Harry Potter (the books), and Lord of the Rings (both the movies and the books). In some ways ATLA will never be able compare to those masterpieces, but many other, important ways Avatar easily surpasses them. Sozins Comet is, beyond a shadow of doubt, easily the equal of the endings to these giants. I never expected that anything could inspire within me such powerful emotions as this show conjured up within me - I wept, laughed, cheered, clapped, urged the characters on, willing them alll towards success, whether in victory or defeat. To have achieved this wonder, even if the fandom may not have been as large as other epic legends enjoyed, Mike and Bryan deserve to be hailed as the peers of Tolkien, Rowling, and Lucas.

    The complaint that keeps coming up is the loose ends. Personally, I think that those loose ends are the greatest aspect of the finale; by delibrately leaving such a gap, the writers have ensured that the Avatar world will not perish. They have left corners unexplored in their world because they know that as fans we wish nothing more than to explore these corners. It's one of the things that will keep Avatar alive.

    It is true that some of the characters had some lines of dialogue that could sound corny if simply read in text, but luckily the brilliance of the voice actors made it all sound perfect.
    It's not actually possible for me to agree with you any more. ESPECIALLY that last part.

    'Prepare to die' said by a supervillain? hell no!

    'Prepare to die' said by Ozai? HELL YES!
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    Knightshade03

    [98]Jul 23, 2008
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    Eliolith wrote:
    Knightshade03 wrote:

    In the past you could have death in your opening sequence, i.e. Speed Racer and Star Blazers. If you read I said show me a children's SHOW as in TV show that shows death and I'll show you a show written before 1985. Those were Disney MOVIES, designed for the big screen. You're comparing apples to oranges. You can't compare big screen movies to TV. And even then, there's a difference from past to present. In 1959 when Sleeping Beauty came out, we see the sword going through the dragon. In 1991, in Beauty and the Beast all we see is Gaston falling through the clouds. The times have change. This is a TV show, NOT MOVIE, rated Y-7 so NO they CAN'T show darker themes because they're NOT ALLOWED to. IT'S A CHILDREN'S TV SHOW RATED Y-7. A rating LOWER than TV-G. It's not an excuse, it's the LAW. That's why it has the Y-7 rating. It means mild or cartoon violence. If they want to show darker themes, they need to bump it up like the Justice League which usually carried a TV-14 rating.

    So, I'm not saying kids and death can't mix, I'm saying they can't mix at this level.

    A Y7-FV rating just means it might not be suitable for ages under 7. The reason they don't just go with a G rating (which is exactly the same as a show rated Y7-FV) like most shows, is because the network that airs the show wants to tell the audience that it is more of a 7-10 year old kind of show rather than a show for the entire family to watch together. So get your facts straight about the ratings first before you try to bash me about "ITS THE LAW" Also the Justice League is rated at TV-14 because it contains "strong violence and blood" Avatar never shows blood, which is why it never gets this rating, but the show CAN kill somebody as long as they don't cross this line. Which is why I hinted at them showing the shadow of Ozai going limp. Thus there is no blood, no extreme violence, and can get a Y7-FV rating. I can however settle on the fact that the show would most likely have gotten a G rating. Killing Ozai seems like a more mature subject, so it would have been something considered by the network for the entire family, not just for viewers around the ages 7-10. But that doesn't mean it does not comply with all standards of a show rated Y7-FV, it just means the network would have viewed it as a more family oriented rather than kid oriented.

    Oh and there is little to no difference between movies and TV shows, which is exactly why they use the same rating system on both. If a person spliced together all the episodes of the 1st season of Avatar, then it would just become a really long movie about 7-8 hours long. So I really was not measuring apples to oranges, it was more like orange slices to oranges.

    I've never seen a movie rated Y-7. Here's the official definition of Y-7 vs. G.

    TV-Y7/TV-Y7-FV (Directed To Older Children)

    These shows may be suitable for all, but may not be appropriate for some children under the age of 7. This rating may include mild fantasy violence, crude or sugesstive humor and may contain some content not apporpriate for younger children.

    TV-G

    (General audience)Programs issued this rating are deemed appropriate for all ages and similar to the movie rating of the same, however content in these programs are not always specifically intended towards children under the age of 10.

    As you can see, G clearly states not all of the content is intended for children under 10 while Y-7 says directed to Older children; key word being children.

    Look at shows like G.I. Joe or Voltron or Shaolin Showdown where the only things you could destroy were robots or when vehicles got shot people jumped out. I'm saying at this level you can't show death anymore on TV. However, to settle this all you have to do is show me modern TV show, with a Y-7 or lower rating, that depicts a death scene where the character stayed dead or wasn't already dead. Even in a old version of X-Men Morph came back. I'm saying they couldn't do it but I could be wrong, I just haven't seen it.

    Edited on 07/23/2008 5:19am
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    tico1125

    [99]Jul 23, 2008
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    ChibiMaddiChan wrote:

    Pros:
    -Azula vs Zuko
    Hands down, this was my favorite fight in the entire finale. (Save Katara entering the fight.) I'll have to agree that I felt there was really no need to have the sacrifice and that part of the fight did make it a bit cliche` but at the same time, I do understand it: I think it was more to the point to show that Azula had no honor and just how much of a person Zuko has grown into: not so much a lame attempt (last ditch) at Zutara, but just because that's honestly the way Zuko is. Had that been anyone, I think he would have done the same thing: Zuko has honor that both Ozai and Azula completely lack.

    But honestly, the music drove that fight home. It made the fight seem almost tragic and it really drove the emotion home: on the one hand, you desperately want Zuko to win but deep down, it's just pretty sad that this fight is even happening in the first place. You knew it was coming, but it was still just sad. It was probably my favorite piece of music that was played during the entire finale.

    -The rest of the Fights
    Pretty much, it was known that Aang would win because, well, duh. And while the playout WAS rather cliche`, I did like his solution to making Ozai no longer a threat and that's what I liked the most: while he had to use Avatar State to weaken Ozai down (Which in and of itself was awesome. It reminded me of a really cheap King of Fighters finale boss. ), he actually found a way that he could be satisified with and still save the world.

    The White Lotus were just plain awesome.


    Other than Azula/Zuko, watching Sokka and the rest of the gang take down the airships was kinda emotional. Esp. when Sokka got hurt and it looked like he would drop Toph. I still figured none of the Gaang would have died, but for a split second, it was sad to see that scene. Again, the music really moved the part.

    -The Music
    Rather beautiful and really helped to move a lot of the scenes.

    -The Characters = Pretty Awesome
    Just about everyone was on their best in this episode: the White Lotus rocked, Aang was emotional but kicked but (and still had a mini adventure, which I thought was a nice touch), Sokka and Toph where at their usual best, Ozai made one hell of a nice villian though. I'll admit, when his VA said "I'm still alive..." towards the end, completely with the scathing looking he gave Suki, it was actually kind of creepy. His overall nature throughout the show has been truly hate worthy and I think they wrote him very well. Besides, it takes a special kind of person to put Azula in her place with just a simple raise of his voice. XD

    -Presentation/Scenes
    There were just a lot of great (or even epic) scenes that happened during the finale that could touch a person's emotions:
    1. Zuko and Iroh's reunion.
    Overall, it was just very heart warming to see and long overdue.
    2. Sokka holding Toph's hand; her slipping.
    The way it was done was brilliant. The music, the slight slow down, Sokka's light joke as he desperately tried to hold on and Toph getting teary eyed as she realized she was about to fall, not to mention Sokka, with a hurt leg, had no way to get out of the way of the oncoming attack by Firenation soilders...had they wanted to do a death in this episode, had it been one of them, I think I actually would have cried.
    3. Azula chained up.
    I'll admit, I was in awe. Seeing a character like Azula, who you respectfully have to hate for her awesomeness as a fighter and brillance as a manipulator and cunning diva...to just see her slowly loose it throughout the show and to finally just go completely wild animal like, shooting fire from her mouth and sobbing...it was just amazing. That has got to be the one image that stuck with me from the finale. I actually felt sorry for her.

    Just to name a few...

    -Azula
    Nuff Said...

    -Humor
    For this to be a serious event, I loved the humor that was introduced in this finale. Sokka and Toph were awesome as usual, the little exchange with the Firenation soliders on the airship was priceless, and Azula slowing loosing it was even funny in some places.

    Cons:
    -Katara
    She just felt 'stuck in' in the finale to me. In the beginning, she seemed to have her usual 'Day in the Life' purpose as always, just like the rest of the characters. (Though I'll admit, forgiving Zuko aside, I thought she'd be a little more upset that he seemingly just attacked Aang for no reason...) But as the finale went on, it just seemed like they felt a need to stick her into the final fights somehow and to me, her involvement was just lackluster. I would have prefered that Zuko just finish his fight with his sister. Certainly, you can argue that Azula attacked Katara to show just how dishonorable she was, but I would have much rather seen Zuko persevere through the attack and still come out somehow beating Azula (not pulling WTF power out of his butt, but more like a 'David and Golith' concept) than Katara just coming into the fray, just to give her character something to do. I think in the end, the fight would have meant more. It would have been nice if they had left someone for Katara to contend with so she could have her own 1 on 1 or her own battle with someone else. Like if she'd met up with her father and the others and helped them kick butt, seeing another part of the ending war.

    -Some events and storylines were wrapped up to quickly
    I know it was just two hours, but honestly, I was a little disappointed at the time that was spent to certain events or what happened with certain characters. The White Lotus fight was wonderfully but felt short overall. I did love that Iroh took the very place where his son died and overall dreamed about taking, back for the Earth Kingdom: but since the place and the person taking it back over had so much more symbolism, I felt there should have been more time spent on it.

    Mai and Ty Lee just felt rushed. After the pair went up against Azula and such, I just though the way they were just 'let out' and pretty much everything is happy go lucky was pretty lame: Zuko almost seemed like he forgot about Mai, being happy to see her and all. You think (considering how much effort they put into showing they liked one another) that him setting her free would have been one of the first things on his list. Or rather, given Mai's personality, I was actually surprised she didn't, along with Ty Lee, find a way to get free from prison to help everyone out heck, why no one even bother to look into helping them escape. (Now that was something Katara could have done: helped free the other prisoners with the help of her father and such.)

    I'm aware that the Firenation might have been spread thin, but considering that they put up much more of an effort in previous battles (in this same season) I was a little surprised how this was done: the Dai Li? were just lamely brushed off, as were anyone that could have been a potiental threat anyone near the FNC where Azula was, pretty much purposely making the fight between her, Zuko and Katara that much more easier. I know it was done to show her 'madness' but it was also pretty darn convienant too. And the fact that they never show up anywhere else in the finale, like fighting the White Lotus and helping the Gaang's side after being dumped just seemed questionable.

    -Unanswered Questions
    I think I would have taken the "What happend to Zuko's Mother" unanswered question better had they not gone out of their way to dedicate a scene to Zuko asking. It's like seeing a piece of chocolate cake then someone telling you that your not allowed to eat it, even though you've been looking forward to it all day: it's just wrong. Though it definately gave off the vibe of "1 Hour Special to Come!"

    Why exactly did Azula see her mother in the mirror? Was she actually there? Was the exchange a hint that Azula had something to do with whatever befell her mother and the exchange was a inside look to Azula own brief regret about the situation, for maybe not heeding her mother's teachings and warnings?

    What actually happened to Azula? We can assume she was imprisoned, but then again, she also snapped pretty badly and was probably a handful.

    Minor but I'd love to know: what exactly happened to Iroh's son and why wasn't he able to save him? And how did that lead him into the spritiual encountered and drastically changed his view on the war and Firenation's plans as a whole? (Honestly, they need to make a 'Secret of a Firenation' type of special, because a lot of stuff that was never answered had a lot to do with them.)

    Who actually murdered Zuko's grandfather and how exactly did this come about? If Zuko's mother did it, was she tricked into it? Did he really plan to kill Zuko or maybe it was Azula and she believed it was Zuko instead? Did Ozai do it and she took the fall somehow?

    Overall: 9.5/10
    It really was one of the best finale's I've seen in a good long while for a show. It did leave things unanswered, which did suck, but overall, it was done beautifully.

    This has to be the most well thought out feedback that I have read. Yes, I read it all too! Great job!

    I have to agree about Katara having her own fight. They could have, like you said, have her join up with her dad and the others to free the war prisoners. I mean, they introduced Chitzang and made him the new guy. I thought he would have played an active role in the finale somehow. Some of it did feel a little rushed and that was a bit dissappointing to many, but it was still done very well.

    Again, great job on the constructive feedback!

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    paoros16

    [100]Jul 23, 2008
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    I would rate the finale a 10/10 but I would of liked to know if Aang was the last airbender or not.
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