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Rate the Finale out of 10 (spoilers if you havent watched)

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    RR4RogueRaven

    [42]Jul 20, 2008
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    WorldTyrant wrote:

    In that same vein, the Zuko vs. Azula fight was brilliant. I enjoyed the whole thing, until Katara fought. I feel that Zuko's final crowning moment, defeating his sister fairly, was just pulled out from under him. Throughout the entire series, he has lost more battles than anyone besides fire nation soldiers. He surrendered the ultimate fight (his father) to Aang, and chose the penultimate (Azula) and was not allowed to finish that. Instead, Katara saves the day. I can't help but feel that the long-standing Zuko/Aang comparison was suddenly severed. Zuko was thrown out of the limelight to let the entire episode settle and center upon Aang, even though he had been the flipside/darkside of Aang's adventures for the past 2 seasons. He is traded out for a heroine defeating the villainess. I have nothing against girls being super powerful, but that was Zuko's fight, not Katara's. Katara was there as a final tease to shippers and to get her some screen time. There's no easy solution that can be had to give Zuko and Katara their equal due, but I feel that this was the worst decision they could have made.

    A men for that Comrade! Very well explained. All your post makes sense but this was the feeling I share the most. Zuko was dwarfed in the last minute...And the battle that was supposed to happen ended well pretty lame. I mean she was freakin Iron Zula she coulda done somethin with her feet and breath.
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    LostZuko

    [43]Jul 20, 2008
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    Near perfect finale, 9 something / 10. Mainly because the ending could have given us something more, Ursa maybe? Or just a year later type thing or something, just wanted to see some more after it all happened, how the world looked or something. What really got me for this was the Zuko/Iroh coming together scene. That scene was just to me, very well done, very happy to see them back together and Zuko so ashamed of what he had done, it was a powerful scene. Great finale, definitely one of the top finales I have seen to a tv show.
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    WBDMWY

    [44]Jul 20, 2008
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    10000000000000000000000000000000000/10

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    WBDMWY

    [45]Jul 20, 2008
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    LostZuko wrote:
    Near perfect finale, 9 something / 10. Mainly because the ending could have given us something more, Ursa maybe? Or just a year later type thing or something, just wanted to see some more after it all happened, how the world looked or something. What really got me for this was the Zuko/Iroh coming together scene. That scene was just to me, very well done, very happy to see them back together and Zuko so ashamed of what he had done, it was a powerful scene. Great finale, definitely one of the top finales I have seen to a tv show.


    I agree kinda (notice how after the battle they wrap everything up in like 10 min) THey should'vee dedicated an entire following episode about the aftermath of the battle except i give it a beyond 10/10 score
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    hkulka2974

    [46]Jul 20, 2008
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    WBDMWY wrote:

    10000000000000000000000000000000000/10

    QFT

    although i have to say that some parts were stretched in the plot, bryke did an excellent job by keeping everyone in character and give the finale that nice ATLA type feel. not to mention excellent animation.

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    Johann7

    [47]Jul 20, 2008
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    Whooo... so much to cover. But first: 6/10

    Yeah, I know it's low, and I probably would have put it higher, except that this was the finale to a spectacular show and I was honestly just expecting it to be better.

    I'll write my issues with (mostly) the scripting as they come to me, but before I do that I'd like to offer my take on something that seems to be bugging a bunch of people - the lion-turtle. I did not see this as a deus ex machina device (despite the quite literal intervention of a god :-P ), but instead as an elegant solution to the problem of the impossibility of fighting for peace (it's a contradiction...), as well as a clever way to work within Nick's content requirements. Additionally, the need for an alternative to killing Ozai was a theme throughout the episode, and Aang's position against killing in any form was established way back in season 1. On top of all that, the concept of the avatar lends itself to fantastical powers that seem to come out of nowhere; at least Aang was personally responsible for defeating Ozai and stripping him of his powers, making this nothing like the deus ex machina at the end of Siege of the North. THAT one was blatant.

    I thought Katara freezing herself and Azula was pretty cool, too.

    Now for the problems...

    1. A lot of people seem to be calling the fight sequences "epic", but for a series that dedicated so much time and effort to its fight choreography up to this point (they hired a martial arts master to consult for the duration of the show), I found the panoramic shots of huge blasts of fire (which characterized all of the fights) to be extremely disappointing.

    2. The entire thing seemed way too rushed. I don't know if this was a thought-out scripting decision or a marketing decision (i.e. keep the entirety of the finale to under four episodes so we can show them all at once as a TV-movie), but it really bothered me, especially after the show burned the previous two episodes on a side story that went nowhere (Katara get's to find out what happened to her mother! She... died, ambiguously as always. Wait, we knew that. Ok, so se died to protect Katara, which I suppose we didn't really know, but I'm not sure anyone was expecting anything different, and the whole episode could probably have been summed up in a single flashback sequence.) and a meta-episode (which was funny, but not worth the trade-off in space to develop the conclusion more fully). The pacing for the entire third season bothered me, and this was by far the worst.

    3. Azula's breakdown was so close to being great that it was all the more tragic when they dropped the ball and turned her into a dishonest caricature of someone suffering a complete emotional breakdown. Again, this probably could have been done better had we seen her paranoia develop over a couple more episodes. Also, her fight with Zuko brought up a bit of a plot hole - one isn't supposed to be able to bend lightening when one is in emotional turmoil, but there Azula was, blasting away.

    4. The wonderful scripting of the romantic relationships between the characters up to this point was pretty much abandoned - once again it seemed there wasn't enough time to both finish the plot and explore the characters' relationships, so Mei and Zuko get 15 seconds and Aang and Katara get one scene in The Ember Island Players where she flips out and then everything is (not) resolved with a cliche kiss at the end.

    5. After all the buildup surrounding the Order of the White Lotus, it turns out to be five old men (apparantly we've met the entire order already) who manage to retake Ba Sing Se in two minutes of overpowered, poorly choreographed fighting. Eh...

    6. Major plot hole: Aang unlocks his last chakra with a blow to the back? I thought he had to give up worldly attachment. Of course it was explained that the avatar CAN'T give up worldly attachment as he is permanently bound to the world so...? Something tells me the writing staff needed a few more brainstorming sessions.

    So that's all I can think of for now. I may be back to amend or redact certain statements after I've watched Sozin's Comet again.

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    zatchbellyo

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    Achika_Masaki wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    himtay wrote:
    9/10

    JixHedgehog wrote:

    - A turtle that wasn't in any other episode that no one knew of helped out.. what the?

    Katara found a picture of the lion turtle in the library episode. So it wasn't a new concept.

    Also. there is a new animal almost every episode. Since it was the finale they wanted to have the ultimate creature make an appearence. And the Turtle Lion was awesome, though hard to understand.

    Lion Turtle was awesome even though I had a hard time understanding it too. Still awesome!!!!!!!

    How could a lion mate with a turtle?
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    Axrendale

    [49]Jul 20, 2008
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    picaboomman wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000/10

    No other show, movie, book, game, whatever, has ever filled me with such a share sense of awe and satisfaction, nor have they ever been as thought stimulating.

    Sozins Comet pwns.

    Enough said.

    wow u are harsh i would give it higher

    I tried to make it bigger, but the computer said that it didn't take words that big

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    Benwolf13

    [50]Jul 20, 2008
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    10/10.

    But they didn't say where Zuko's mother was.

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    RyanTP014

    [51]Jul 20, 2008
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    A definate 10 out of 10

    does anyone have anymore information on the new avator series

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    RyanTP014

    [52]Jul 20, 2008
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    ya they didnt so doesnt that mean there must be a continuation
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    legersem

    [53]Jul 20, 2008
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    Johann7 wrote:

    3. Azula's breakdown was so close to being great that it was all the more tragic when they dropped the ball and turned her into a dishonest caricature of someone suffering a complete emotional breakdown. Again, this probably could have been done better had we seen her paranoia develop over a couple more episodes. Also, her fight with Zuko brought up a bit of a plot hole - one isn't supposed to be able to bend lightening when one is in emotional turmoil, but there Azula was, blasting away.

    6. Major plot hole: Aang unlocks his last chakra with a blow to the back? I thought he had to give up worldly attachment. Of course it was explained that the avatar CAN'T give up worldly attachment as he is permanently bound to the world so...? Something tells me the writing staff needed a few more brainstorming sessions.

    I essentially agree with you on the other points, but these two need to be addressed. Firstly, and I know that this is sort of a cop-out, the breakdown of Azula did occur over quite a few episodes, beginning with the betrayal of Mai and Ty Lee and finally ending in her hallucination of her mother. Azula needed that to occur to show how she handles under pressure to compare her to Zuko's calm demeanor as Fire Lord. Secondly, Aang did not unlock his seventh chakra by slamming his back into that jutting rock, if you remembered back in The Awakening, Aang explained that Azula blocked his last chakra by shooting him full of lightning, thus preventing him from entering the Avatar State; he had already opened his seventh chakra in CoD and right before he could unleash his power on the Dai Li, Azula, and Zuko, she shot him. When Aang got blasted in to the rock during his fight with Ozai, it unblocked the last chakra and allowed him to use the Avatar State to win in his fight.

    That being said, I give the finale a 9/10.

    My reasons for this being:

    1. Both of the fight scenes were completely epic, filled with all the bending sequences that we have been waiting for. A lot of people seem to think that the Avatar State was not a fulfilling way to end the fight and made Aang's other training pointless; however, this is untrue as Aang never used the Avatar State of an element he had not mastered, even in SotN he had the power of the Ocean Spirit to aid him, so his training was required. Katara aiding Zuko in his fight against his sister was needed as it showed Zuko's new selflessness due to his saving Katara's life; and, honestly guys, if Azula hadn't chosen to attack Katara with her lightning, was there any doubt that Zuko would have won? 'Nuff said.
    2. No one died in this episode. I was half expecting someone to die, especially Ozai, and, at several points, I am sure everyone thought someone would (Azula shooting lightning at unsuspecting Katara, Toph's fingers slipping through Sokka's hand, Suki being cut off on the other half of the air ship) yet the writers kept everyone alive, which, in the end, made for a satisfying ending.
    3. The only negative thing I have to say about the whole finale was the few cop-outs I noticed and the few things they never really addressed. Ursa aside, I would have to say that the problem I wanted to see closed was the fight between Toph and her parents, who never respected her nor recognized her independence (by the way, whatever happened to Hawky?). The other cop-out I thought was pretty bad was Azula's dismissal of the Dai Li, who could have easily taken her in a fight if needed, yet they all simply took the sting after they betrayed their people, and left Azula. Also, the seperation of the team in The Southern Raiders did not amount to anything as the other half (with Hakoda, Teo, and Haru) never did anything beyond that.

    The last thing I can say is that the ending brought a closure that I thought was truly amazing, satisfying, and a little depressing as, despite the lack of complete closure, the main storyline was brought to a close (and the shipping wars are forever over...hooray!).

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    RyanTP014

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    ya so doesnt that mean there must be another episode to fill in all the missing gaps
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    Maddnezz

    [55]Jul 20, 2008
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    Absolutely amazing....I have watched alot of TV shows and watched alot die into the chasm of what could have or should have been. In my 25 years of life I have yet to see a show that pushed aside the could have/should have, and even the I wishes and made me think, "A part of me wants more, but what else is there". I am so glad my friend at work got me into this show I enjoyed every minute of it, and was far from disappointed with how they ended it. Ozai and Azula didn't die, and alot of people might be upset with that; but is peace restricted to only those who have always exercised it or is true peace free to everyone...I know it's only a cartoon but if you think about it. I can't wait until my son is old enough and we can watch this over and over again together. Rarely now adays are there shows that have meaning with each episode, much less solid script from point to point. I could go on ranting about this show for hours but the last thing I will say is the use of colors in the final episode, not to play down all the others by any means, was absolutely magnificent. They didn't over emphasize nor under emphasize the colors and it turned out absolutely brilliant. I wish more products these days took as much thought and care as the cast and crew of the Avatar series did....I will definitely be buying this when the DVD comes out.

    P.S. The orginal poster said "after years of training he used the avatar state" or something of the sort.....actually in the end when Aang and Zuko are talking they say specifically that they couldn't believe, just a year ago they were enemies and now they are friends...a years not that long and if you disagree, have a kid.

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    CrystalRain817

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    Johann7 wrote:

    2. The entire thing seemed way too rushed. I don't know if this was a thought-out scripting decision or a marketing decision (i.e. keep the entirety of the finale to under four episodes so we can show them all at once as a TV-movie), but it really bothered me, especially after the show burned the previous two episodes on a side story that went nowhere (Katara get's to find out what happened to her mother! She... died, ambiguously as always. Wait, we knew that. Ok, so se died to protect Katara, which I suppose we didn't really know, but I'm not sure anyone was expecting anything different, and the whole episode could probably have been summed up in a single flashback sequence.)

    The episode with Katara's mother was actually very important to the rest of the plot. This episode was needed for Zuko and Katara to make up and finally accept each other and actually have a friendly relationshipp. If they hadn't, things might've turned out very different in the finale. Zuko might've been sad that Katara would get shot by lightning, but it would be less likely that he would jump in front of it to save her. Katara could've died if not for this episode. It was also important that Katara finally faced her hatred of the fire nation and the man that killed her mother and find forgiveness. This episode really gave her a chance to grow in character. At the end, it also led to the question of what Aang would do about the problem of killing the fire lord.

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    Maddnezz

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    The episode with Katara's mother was actually very important to the rest of the plot. This episode was needed for Zuko and Katara to make up and finally accept each other and actually have a friendly relationshipp. If they hadn't, things might've turned out very different in the finale. Zuko might've been sad that Katara would get shot by lightning, but it would be less likely that he would jump in front of it to save her. Katara could've died if not for this episode. It was also important that Katara finally faced her hatred of the fire nation and the man that killed her mother and find forgiveness. This episode really gave her a chance to grow in character. At the end, it also led to the question of what Aang would do about the problem of killing the fire lord.

    Absolutely agree the Katara mother episode was big in plot formation, and also for hopeful spinoffs, I don't think there are many of us that really want us to see this end absolutely yet, even though ending it now would keep them from screwing it up (ala Micheal Jordan - Wizards). We ended with Zuko asking Ozai where his mother is and really no definite that Katara and Sokka's mother was actually dead....most of us love our mommas, attaches us to the characters for a little bit longer.
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    kane638

    [58]Jul 20, 2008
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    Now that I had time to recollect my thoughts and memories (since they air avatar in sparatic spells), and, l listen to some of the lowe rmark presentations. Watching the last 6 episodes, I expected more. In fact, I did anticipate another year of mastery with the wind element. At this point, when I knew Ang was going to have to defeat the Fire Lord in 6 episodes I knew it could go two ways :Rushed or Excellent.

    The series felt rushed, and like all other shows before it, it probably had to do with the execs. The Avatar is possibly another show that reached it's peak, pushed by greedy corporates where a series started off stellar and finished off lacking. Don't get me wrong, I think the Avatar ended in good note, but I wasn't impressed either. At the very least, Season 3 could have gone to episode 28. With episodes 18 and such being Suberb.

    Unfortunately, 2 of the last four episodes were useless considering such a tall tale was condensced into a final showdow with two episodes. The White lotus unravelling was absolutely childish and rushed, along with Zuco's final battle, it should have been his closure. When a series ends like this there has to be solid closure on all plots and no strings have to be left attached.

    As long as the series ended with all plots completed, I see no point in ending the chapter and starting a new one. Yet it seems the creatives in the Avatar left many loopsholes wide open and doors unhinged. Furthermore, many storires felt rushed or an afterthought to put as much in 2 hours as they could. This possibly had to deal with the Nicolodean executives and applying pressure or such, again money takes presidence over creativity. When this happens a series almost always loses.

    Because the series ended the way it did, leaving me unsatisfied and the finale tempting me that "The End" really isn't such. I give the Avatar a 7/10 for quality, but losing 3 points of excellence falling short of finishing off the execution as they started off strong.

    Maddnezz wrote:
    .a years not that long and if you disagree, have a kid.

    This is typical motherly innuedno. A year is a long time, nor do I think you should place your values on people just because you have a child. It doesn't make your opinion or statement sound better or more experienced that anothers. And I'll just leave it at that.

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    CrystalRain817

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    Did they ever actually say that Katara's and Sokka's mother was dead? Did she just disappear or was her body actually found? I think it would be so great if they ever got to be with their mother again!
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    FourthLegacy

    [60]Jul 21, 2008
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    CrystalRain817 wrote:
    Did they ever actually say that Katara's and Sokka's mother was dead? Did she just disappear or was her body actually found? I think it would be so great if they ever got to be with their mother again!
    Yes.

    I give the finale a 7/10 for many of the reasons posted above. I'm too lazy to point them out.

    Nevertheless, the show in general gets a 9/10. /salute

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