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Official Episode Discussion: Tales of Ba Sing Se (9/29)

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    metalcurtainrod

    [221]Sep 29, 2006
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    tigerstalksprey wrote:
    Rosary94 wrote:

    tigerstalksprey wrote:
    wow, what an amazing episode. I really enjoyed this episode throughout, and I really didnt want it to end. It was really well done, and every tale was incredibly watchable. There are so many nice moments, i'd like to just list a couple that stick out since i just finished watching it:

    1. Iroh's tale moved me the most. I feel sad for him that his son died, and even sadder that Mako has now left us. [Sigh] It just isnt the same knowing that Mako isn't around anymore. It's kinda sad everytime you see Iroh, you're reminded that Mako isn't with us anymore...

    2. Katara had a beautiful moment with Toph, saying that "[she's] really pretty"

    3. Loved when Aang gave those animals a newfound freedom (using another impressive display of earthbending of course). I really hate it when animals are neglected or abused, GO Avatar.

    4. Ah Zuko, troubled troubled Zuko. I thought this was his greatest display of character yet, he really doesn't get a chance to make others happy. Last time he treated an Earth boy like his brother, and the boy 'stabbed' him in the back after he found out he was fire nation. Zuko even took the risk of exposing himself as a firebender just to make the girl happy. A really nice moment between Zuko and Jen.

    5. Momo's tale saddened me as well, again reminding us of a lost member. I really liked how the hounds led momo to a footprint of appa, sucks that momo didnt realize it.

    6. Sokka's tale wasnt bad, my least favorite in this very strong episde. it showed his cleverness and i love how he showed up that snobby lady.

    From favorite tale to least favorite (but still awesome) my order is:

    1. Zuko
    2. Iroh
    3. Katara/Toph
    4. Aang
    5. Momo
    6. Sokka

    THANK YOU! You wrote what was in my mind after watching the episode.

    My favorite was Zuko's. You're right; he doesn't really get to make anyone happy, and in his tale he had a sort of heart of gold.

    Iroh's tale was very sad and touching... IN HONOR OF MAKO, that was really nice they way they played it in contrast of his tale. Although at one point in Iroh's tale, when he saw the kids playing "soccer", his voice sounded a bit different.



    lol, just glad I could help Rosary. I still feel "woozy" from watching such a profoundly moving episode.


    Me too, I was having constant spaz attacks throughout the show because it was so awesome
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    KingAtticus

    [222]Sep 29, 2006
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    mellomuse wrote:

    *Spoiler warning for those who didn't just see it*

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    Sasahara wrote:
    I loved this episode. It was very touching, vey funny, OMG funny, and sad.

    Totally agree.?? It's amazing how a few short, little stories can change and deepen the characters and their relationships so much.?? Every story made me feel like crying a little except for you-know-who!?? The Sokka scene has the most hilarious thing I have seen in quite some time... maybe it's extra funny because I'm a teacher??? "Uh, that's one too many syllables, there, bub..."

    Iroh---"If only I could've helped you..."?? Oh man...

    I felt happy and very sad for Zuko.?? That post-date shot where he opened the partition was the saddest expression I've ever seen on his face-- like it suddenly hit him all at once, all the stuff he's been missing.?? ?? The Toph-Katara and Momo scenes made me feel sad too.??

    Aang's apparently been practicing his earthbending??? ?? Well, if Ba-Sing-Se's wall goes down Aang can just whip 'em up a new one.??

    By the way... I don't have any special feelings for or against Wikipedia, but I just have to point this out since Wiki's been bashed so much on here... Jin and Zuko were eating what looked like... spaghetti and meatballs?



    Last time I checked, you don't eat spaghetti with chopsticks. And what Jin was eating looked noting like the dish. I'm sure it was something else, or you could be on to something. Think about a lot of romantic scenes from shows and movies. It's the ultimate dish for a date ^_-
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    riz992

    [223]Sep 29, 2006
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    Eman5805 wrote:
    So we're all sold that this was NOT a filler episode right? cuz remember the Squad is gonna be in Ba Sing Se a while...and we now know what they've been up to all this time...but I wonder...where was the Dai Li? Aang and his sqaud were supposed to be under constant watch...we didn't??see any??but I'm certain they were there...
    I noticed that too. Anyways here's my list of most favourite to least:

    1.Momo-Very sad but it allowed Momo get the spotlight for a change.

    ??2.Zuko-It showed a different side to Zuko that was??a bit??softer.

    ??3.Katara and Toph-I liked seeing the two together and seeing their friendship progress.

    ??4.Iroh-A very moving tribute to the late Mako and a delve into Iroh's character.

    ??5.Aang-I liked the bit of action in this and I always hate it how animals get abused

    . 6-Sokka-This seemed to be more of a tale just written so Sokka wouldn't be left out but it was still entertaining.

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    GeneralQuando

    [224]Sep 29, 2006
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    The stories that had some character development were the best. Iroh, Toph & Katara, Zuko were the best. Enough has been said about Iroh/Mako, so can't really add anything insightful. Very touching.
    Toph's constant joking are ways of protecting herself. Nice to see how vunerable she can be, yet so strong. It was nice to see that Katara has her back. Katara is nothing short of amazing for keeping this group upbeat and level-headed.
    Zuko is a tragic hero. Great character, whether it be animation or live action. Nice epi.
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    Rosary94

    [225]Sep 29, 2006
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    tigerstalksprey wrote:
    Rosary94 wrote:

    tigerstalksprey wrote:
    wow, what an amazing episode. I really enjoyed this episode throughout, and I really didnt want it to end. It was really well done, and every tale was incredibly watchable. There are so many nice moments, i'd like to just list a couple that stick out since i just finished watching it:

    1. Iroh's tale moved me the most. I feel sad for him that his son died, and even sadder that Mako has now left us. [Sigh] It just isnt the same knowing that Mako isn't around anymore. It's kinda sad everytime you see Iroh, you're reminded that Mako isn't with us anymore...

    2. Katara had a beautiful moment with Toph, saying that "[she's] really pretty"

    3. Loved when Aang gave those animals a newfound freedom (using another impressive display of earthbending of course). I really hate it when animals are neglected or abused, GO Avatar.

    4. Ah Zuko, troubled troubled Zuko. I thought this was his greatest display of character yet, he really doesn't get a chance to make others happy. Last time he treated an Earth boy like his brother, and the boy 'stabbed' him in the back after he found out he was fire nation. Zuko even took the risk of exposing himself as a firebender just to make the girl happy. A really nice moment between Zuko and Jen.

    5. Momo's tale saddened me as well, again reminding us of a lost member. I really liked how the hounds led momo to a footprint of appa, sucks that momo didnt realize it.

    6. Sokka's tale wasnt bad, my least favorite in this very strong episde. it showed his cleverness and i love how he showed up that snobby lady.

    From favorite tale to least favorite (but still awesome) my order is:

    1. Zuko
    2. Iroh
    3. Katara/Toph
    4. Aang
    5. Momo
    6. Sokka

    THANK YOU! You wrote what was in my mind after watching the episode.

    My favorite was Zuko's. You're right; he doesn't really get to make anyone happy, and in his tale he had a sort of heart of gold.

    Iroh's tale was very sad and touching... IN HONOR OF MAKO, that was really nice they way they played it in contrast of his tale. Although at one point in Iroh's tale, when he saw the kids playing "soccer", his voice sounded a bit different.

    lol, just glad I could help Rosary. I still feel "woozy" from watching such a profoundly moving episode.

    I know how you feel. I finished watching Acts I and II of "Diary of Anne Frank" with my class in school and "Avatar" was coming on today. Ahh... Two good things in one day. "Anne Frank" made me cry and "Avatar" made me... satisfied. So overwhelming

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    johnnymac_224

    [226]Sep 29, 2006
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    ugh i had to miss this so called great episode because my sister was tivoing hannah montana. she had it on like double priority so any of show gets canceled. dang it. any place i can watch it? lol =)
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    Colonel_Brian

    [227]Sep 29, 2006
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    I loved that epiosde I'm so touched I feel 10x?? more bad for Iroh he lost his son and he made a tribute so beautifuly.
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    someone198

    [228]Sep 29, 2006
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    Great as a filler episode but a terrible place for it in the time line. It would make much more sense if this took place before their revelation at the end of the last episode. The "Previously on Avatar" made it sound like they're still waiting to speak to the Earth King (as if that's ever going to happen or if it would do any good if they did) and are just killing time. Major plot hole.

    About the sketches, I didn't watch Momo's or Sokka's (I'm not a pure comedy fan), but I thought Katara's and Toph's was stupid and highly out of character. Shouldn't radical feminist/activist/action girl Katara be more concerned with their mission than getting a make-over? And what happened to Toph hating proper society life? Not to mention the group of snobby girls is my least favorite overly used Western trope that has to go!

    Aang's sketch was weird, but the return of the drop-in cabbage merchant was cool, and my college is an agricultural/zoo science oriented school, so I naturally found creating a zoo in less than a minute very cool. Not cool enough to disregard the discontinuity with how the bison whistle works and Aang's lack of concern about Appa.

    Iroh's sketch was sad and revealing, all right. I guess this is why he was so eager to get to Ba Sing Se so quickly, for this day. I sure wasn't expecting that with all the light-hearted nonsense in the other stories.

    Zuko's sketch I found the most interesting (good thing, too, since it's the only one I recorded). My worst fear before this aired was that he would be out of character, which only intensified after seeing the first few sketches (Zuko is not a good character for strict comedy). I was pleased to find Zuko very in-character: still a terrible liar like in COTL, quiet and blunt like in "Zuko Alone." Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it seemed like he relaxed after he lit the lamps and they were surrounded by fire, when he was "in his element." I like how the kiss was executed, too. Every meaningful kiss has to start out awkward, of course. They can end awkwardly or sweetly, and this one soon turned romantic and sweet. Since we know he enjoyed it, I think he broke away because he felt guilty, about having to lie about his name, who he was, etc, so it didn't feel right to kiss her/let her kiss him.

    My overall conclusion about this episode: the truly well-written episodes leave me breathless at the end, feeling WOW all over, all I want to do is watch it over and over again and again. I just didn't get that feeling from this episode. Placing a filler episode directly after the major plot twist= awkward. Plus, I liked how they were gradually turning Aang's personality and story darker and more mature this season, but this ep took a serious U-Turn back to the days of "Return to Omashu" when only Zuko's side of the story interested me. It could have been much better.

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    DeathandDoom

    [229]Sep 29, 2006
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    On a slighty different note, when exactly did these stories happen? I can't see Aang and his friends going through life as normal after the big relevatons in the last episode; they would immeadltly try to do something about it.
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    metalcurtainrod

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    DeathandDoom wrote:
    On a slighty different note, when exactly did these stories happen? I can't see Aang and his friends going through life as normal after the big relevatons in the last episode; they would immeadltly try to do something about it.


    They have SOME spare time to do stuff like that, even with everything thats been going on.
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    F1ames

    [231]Sep 29, 2006
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    This episode was awesome, but i didnt get why zuko broke away from the girl and said it was complicated. thats somthin id expect from sokka, who fell in love with yue and felt guilty about getting back together with suki. so i kept on thinking that maybe zuko had a girlfriend in the fire nation and abandoned her when he was banished.

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    metalcurtainrod

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    F1ames wrote:

    This episode was awesome, but i didnt get why zuko broke away from the girl and said it was complicated. thats somthin id expect from sokka, who fell in love with yue and felt guilty about getting back together with suki. so i kept on thinking that maybe zuko had a girlfriend in the fire nation and abandoned her when he was banished.



    Like he said in a previous episode, he didn't want to make a life there. Plus it'd be kind of depressing to be with someone and not be able to tell them who you are.
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    zachman9393

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    The best episode so far.?? We finally learn that Aang's head does indeed grow hair, and that both he and Sokka shave.

    The part with Iroh made me so sad.?? He will never be the same.?? We will remember you, Mako.

    Leaves from the vine,

    Falling so slow,

    Like fragile, tiny shells,

    Drifting in the foam,

    Little soldier boy,

    come marching home.

    Brave soldier boy,

    comes marching home.

    Who else came within a few seconds of crying?????? I declare, that part was so emotional, that if you didn't, youre not human!!

    Oh, Zuko and Jin was good.?? It's so nice to see Zuko thinking of something??other than the Avatar for once.?? GO KATAANG, GEORGE, AND ZUKO/JIN!!!!???? And, we will never forget you, Mako.

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    F1ames

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    it is sad mako died. and i thought it was really funny that sokka shaves with a boomerang
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    ButtNugget666

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    chinese food gives me the runs
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    DeathandDoom

    [239]Sep 30, 2006
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    Now that I think about it, perhaps tales of Ba Sing Se happened right in the middle of CoWaS, after they had gotten the house, but before Katara got the news about the party. It would explain why the "Prevously On Avatar" thing completly glazed over the relevations at the end.
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    e-hero-will

    [240]Sep 30, 2006
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    Did anyone else find this episode unbelievably sad.
    I nearly cried when Iroh sang his song again celebrating Lu Ten's birthday.

    The momo story was sad here's my story like-ness:
    1. Zuko: Just more great Zuko stuff and it proves how messed up he is.
    2. Sokka: It was funny, classic Sokka action
    3. Iroh: Great Part.
    4. Aang: Meh, it was nice seeing his earthbending.
    5. Momo: He found a trace of appa!!!!
    6. Katara and Toph: Not that great.
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