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  • Avatar of music4life17

    music4life17

    [1281]Mar 24, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    You know how Aang has to let go of Katara to gain controll of his avatar state well he doesnt even have to get his avatar state back. I know that gives Zutarians hope but kataang is going to happen so deal with it!!! Aang cant go in his avatar state anymore because Azula messed up his 7th chakra.
    I wrote this in diff. thread: Anyway, this is to everyone who constantly uses the Avatar State defense for pro-Zutara. When the episode focused on the air chakra, (which circulates through love and is blocked by grief) it explicitly stated that the love Aang had for his whole race was reincarnated as his love for Katara. Now the thought chakra showed that Aang constantly thinks about Katara and the Guru says Aang must learn to let go. The Guru NEVER ONCE said you cannot love her, which is what Aang misunderstood at the time. If you isolate Aang mastering the Avatar state into just letting go of Katara as in "he can't love her," then you're ignoring that as a result the AIR chakra (which circulates through love) is invalidated, thus meaning HE STILL WOULDN'T master the Avatar State because he didn't master all the chakras.
    dang, i just remembered how i thought of something similar, still, you posted it first. yeah, how can aang's love for katara be a bad thing? four chakras ago it was a good thing that he felt an attachment to her! (paraphrasing what he said himself)

    It's a distraction to something more important than the two of them. Even though that confuses me now too.

    Roku managed to have a wife because he mastered the state before romantic involvement I guess. What did Roku use to help him through his chakras, such as the Air Chakra (in terms of love)?

    roku had a crush on ta min before he went off to go glowy and whatnot. so if he went through the chakra process with a guru he would've had to consider ta min as an attachment. also, that fact doesn't matter, because if you open a chakra it doesn't remain open. if aang were to develop a fear of spiders his earth chakra would close again. if roku opened his thought chakra and then fell in love with ta min it would shut again.

    Yes, what I'm saying is that Roku didn't have as strong of earthly attachments before he left. He had his best friend, and he had a crush, which is nothing compared to Aang's love for Katara, at least IMO. It was easier for him to master the Avatar State. He didn't have such a huge distraction, such as love for someone, to hold him back. When he did return, he knew to keep his emotional attachments second to avatar duties. He loved his wife, but it was always second. That's the way I see it at least.

    right, so maybe aang needs to learn to make sure his avatar duties come before katara. that was his mistake in 'the guru', instead of choosing his avatar duties he went to save katara. that's what he needs to learn to do. as ron weasley said in the second harry potter film he 'needs to get his priorities straight' (one of my favourite quotes).

    Amen! ^_^ He does need to get his priorities straight.

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    Shaolina23

    [1282]Mar 24, 2008
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    music4life17 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    You know how Aang has to let go of Katara to gain controll of his avatar state well he doesnt even have to get his avatar state back. I know that gives Zutarians hope but kataang is going to happen so deal with it!!! Aang cant go in his avatar state anymore because Azula messed up his 7th chakra.
    I wrote this in diff. thread: Anyway, this is to everyone who constantly uses the Avatar State defense for pro-Zutara. When the episode focused on the air chakra, (which circulates through love and is blocked by grief) it explicitly stated that the love Aang had for his whole race was reincarnated as his love for Katara. Now the thought chakra showed that Aang constantly thinks about Katara and the Guru says Aang must learn to let go. The Guru NEVER ONCE said you cannot love her, which is what Aang misunderstood at the time. If you isolate Aang mastering the Avatar state into just letting go of Katara as in "he can't love her," then you're ignoring that as a result the AIR chakra (which circulates through love) is invalidated, thus meaning HE STILL WOULDN'T master the Avatar State because he didn't master all the chakras.
    dang, i just remembered how i thought of something similar, still, you posted it first. yeah, how can aang's love for katara be a bad thing? four chakras ago it was a good thing that he felt an attachment to her! (paraphrasing what he said himself)

    It's a distraction to something more important than the two of them. Even though that confuses me now too.

    Roku managed to have a wife because he mastered the state before romantic involvement I guess. What did Roku use to help him through his chakras, such as the Air Chakra (in terms of love)?

    roku had a crush on ta min before he went off to go glowy and whatnot. so if he went through the chakra process with a guru he would've had to consider ta min as an attachment. also, that fact doesn't matter, because if you open a chakra it doesn't remain open. if aang were to develop a fear of spiders his earth chakra would close again. if roku opened his thought chakra and then fell in love with ta min it would shut again.

    Yes, what I'm saying is that Roku didn't have as strong of earthly attachments before he left. He had his best friend, and he had a crush, which is nothing compared to Aang's love for Katara, at least IMO. It was easier for him to master the Avatar State. He didn't have such a huge distraction, such as love for someone, to hold him back. When he did return, he knew to keep his emotional attachments second to avatar duties. He loved his wife, but it was always second. That's the way I see it at least.

    right, so maybe aang needs to learn to make sure his avatar duties come before katara. that was his mistake in 'the guru', instead of choosing his avatar duties he went to save katara. that's what he needs to learn to do. as ron weasley said in the second harry potter film he 'needs to get his priorities straight' (one of my favourite quotes).

    Amen! ^_^ He does need to get his priorities straight.


    Exactly. He just needs to think about the fire lord until he beats him. Then he can get as sappy as a preteen can get with Katara before the next strike appears. The last chraka is not a "no romance zone" for anti kataangers to dance around. The firelord and the avatar pretty much explained that.
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    wiseone_777

    [1283]Mar 24, 2008
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    Shaolina23 wrote:
    music4life17 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    You know how Aang has to let go of Katara to gain controll of his avatar state well he doesnt even have to get his avatar state back. I know that gives Zutarians hope but kataang is going to happen so deal with it!!! Aang cant go in his avatar state anymore because Azula messed up his 7th chakra.
    I wrote this in diff. thread: Anyway, this is to everyone who constantly uses the Avatar State defense for pro-Zutara. When the episode focused on the air chakra, (which circulates through love and is blocked by grief) it explicitly stated that the love Aang had for his whole race was reincarnated as his love for Katara. Now the thought chakra showed that Aang constantly thinks about Katara and the Guru says Aang must learn to let go. The Guru NEVER ONCE said you cannot love her, which is what Aang misunderstood at the time. If you isolate Aang mastering the Avatar state into just letting go of Katara as in "he can't love her," then you're ignoring that as a result the AIR chakra (which circulates through love) is invalidated, thus meaning HE STILL WOULDN'T master the Avatar State because he didn't master all the chakras.
    dang, i just remembered how i thought of something similar, still, you posted it first. yeah, how can aang's love for katara be a bad thing? four chakras ago it was a good thing that he felt an attachment to her! (paraphrasing what he said himself)

    It's a distraction to something more important than the two of them. Even though that confuses me now too.

    Roku managed to have a wife because he mastered the state before romantic involvement I guess. What did Roku use to help him through his chakras, such as the Air Chakra (in terms of love)?

    roku had a crush on ta min before he went off to go glowy and whatnot. so if he went through the chakra process with a guru he would've had to consider ta min as an attachment. also, that fact doesn't matter, because if you open a chakra it doesn't remain open. if aang were to develop a fear of spiders his earth chakra would close again. if roku opened his thought chakra and then fell in love with ta min it would shut again.

    Yes, what I'm saying is that Roku didn't have as strong of earthly attachments before he left. He had his best friend, and he had a crush, which is nothing compared to Aang's love for Katara, at least IMO. It was easier for him to master the Avatar State. He didn't have such a huge distraction, such as love for someone, to hold him back. When he did return, he knew to keep his emotional attachments second to avatar duties. He loved his wife, but it was always second. That's the way I see it at least.

    right, so maybe aang needs to learn to make sure his avatar duties come before katara. that was his mistake in 'the guru', instead of choosing his avatar duties he went to save katara. that's what he needs to learn to do. as ron weasley said in the second harry potter film he 'needs to get his priorities straight' (one of my favourite quotes).

    Amen! ^_^ He does need to get his priorities straight.


    Exactly. He just needs to think about the fire lord until he beats him. Then he can get as sappy as a preteen can get with Katara before the next strike appears. The last chraka is not a "no romance zone" for anti kataangers to dance around. The firelord and the avatar pretty much explained that.
    KATAANG!!!...That's all I read...
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    WaterLily16

    [1284]Mar 24, 2008
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    I'm for Zutara. I'm just agreeing that Aang and Katara could work beyond the Avatar State issue.
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    snowprincess456

    [1285]Mar 24, 2008
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    These vids from youtube are as Toph says it:Sweeeet!

    It is a series, so make sure you watch them all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcSNdblidaI&feature=PlayList&p=F39F2EA6D2D74EE2&index=0

    the creator of these get 7 internets!

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    Spike815

    [1286]Mar 24, 2008
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    snowprincess456 wrote:

    These vids from youtube are as Toph says it:Sweeeet!

    It is a series, so make sure you watch them all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcSNdblidaI&feature=PlayList&p=F39F2EA6D2D74EE2&index=0

    the creator of these get 7 internets!
    I'm sorry, I honestly can't stomach those videos. OMG look, Zuko ALMOST grabbed Katara to interrogate, but chooses her grandmother instead because he luves Katara so much. (Just ignoring the fact that he does indeed grab and interrogate her later. )

    And OMG, Katara says Zuko's name first! Not because Aang is unconscious at the moment and Sokka was halfway across the island, it must be because she loves him!

    I feel like I'm watching some bad conspiracy theory...

    Edited on 03/24/2008 8:37pm
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    Shaolina23

    [1287]Mar 25, 2008
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    wiseone_777 wrote:
    Shaolina23 wrote:
    music4life17 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    WaterLily16 wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    You know how Aang has to let go of Katara to gain controll of his avatar state well he doesnt even have to get his avatar state back. I know that gives Zutarians hope but kataang is going to happen so deal with it!!! Aang cant go in his avatar state anymore because Azula messed up his 7th chakra.
    I wrote this in diff. thread: Anyway, this is to everyone who constantly uses the Avatar State defense for pro-Zutara. When the episode focused on the air chakra, (which circulates through love and is blocked by grief) it explicitly stated that the love Aang had for his whole race was reincarnated as his love for Katara. Now the thought chakra showed that Aang constantly thinks about Katara and the Guru says Aang must learn to let go. The Guru NEVER ONCE said you cannot love her, which is what Aang misunderstood at the time. If you isolate Aang mastering the Avatar state into just letting go of Katara as in "he can't love her," then you're ignoring that as a result the AIR chakra (which circulates through love) is invalidated, thus meaning HE STILL WOULDN'T master the Avatar State because he didn't master all the chakras.
    dang, i just remembered how i thought of something similar, still, you posted it first. yeah, how can aang's love for katara be a bad thing? four chakras ago it was a good thing that he felt an attachment to her! (paraphrasing what he said himself)

    It's a distraction to something more important than the two of them. Even though that confuses me now too.

    Roku managed to have a wife because he mastered the state before romantic involvement I guess. What did Roku use to help him through his chakras, such as the Air Chakra (in terms of love)?

    roku had a crush on ta min before he went off to go glowy and whatnot. so if he went through the chakra process with a guru he would've had to consider ta min as an attachment. also, that fact doesn't matter, because if you open a chakra it doesn't remain open. if aang were to develop a fear of spiders his earth chakra would close again. if roku opened his thought chakra and then fell in love with ta min it would shut again.

    Yes, what I'm saying is that Roku didn't have as strong of earthly attachments before he left. He had his best friend, and he had a crush, which is nothing compared to Aang's love for Katara, at least IMO. It was easier for him to master the Avatar State. He didn't have such a huge distraction, such as love for someone, to hold him back. When he did return, he knew to keep his emotional attachments second to avatar duties. He loved his wife, but it was always second. That's the way I see it at least.

    right, so maybe aang needs to learn to make sure his avatar duties come before katara. that was his mistake in 'the guru', instead of choosing his avatar duties he went to save katara. that's what he needs to learn to do. as ron weasley said in the second harry potter film he 'needs to get his priorities straight' (one of my favourite quotes).

    Amen! ^_^ He does need to get his priorities straight.


    Exactly. He just needs to think about the fire lord until he beats him. Then he can get as sappy as a preteen can get with Katara before the next strike appears. The last chraka is not a "no romance zone" for anti kataangers to dance around. The firelord and the avatar pretty much explained that.
    KATAANG!!!...That's all I read...


    I''m actually uncaring. I'd rather see everyone as friends, but I'm not getting my wish. I'm just saying the last chrack (spelling?) is not an obstacle to the whole "kataang"deal.
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    waterbender6025

    [1288]Mar 25, 2008
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    TOKKA!

    just thought i should spark some more life/argueing in this thread

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    Spacerac

    [1289]Mar 25, 2008
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    Spike815 wrote:
    snowprincess456 wrote:

    These vids from youtube are as Toph says it:Sweeeet!

    It is a series, so make sure you watch them all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcSNdblidaI&feature=PlayList&p=F39F2EA6D2D74EE2&index=0

    the creator of these get 7 internets!
    I'm sorry, I honestly can't stomach those videos. OMG look, Zuko ALMOST grabbed Katara to interrogate, but chooses her grandmother instead because he luves Katara so much. (Just ignoring the fact that he does indeed grab and interrogate her later. )

    And OMG, Katara says Zuko's name first! Not because Aang is unconscious at the moment and Sokka was halfway across the island, it must be because she loves him!

    I feel like I'm watching some bad conspiracy theory...
    I'm with you on that. I watched episode 4 of that and laughed and felt sick at the same time, because I was thinking "How can anyone be this lame?"
    Edited on 03/25/2008 8:07am
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    momothelemur

    [1290]Mar 25, 2008
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    waterbender6025 wrote:

    TOKKA!

    just thought i should spark some more life/argueing in this thread

    I prefer Taang...then again, I don't really want Toph to be with anyone. Not saying that she should die alone living in a house filled with cats, but I think I'd like it better if not every single person in the series ended up with someone when they're still only teenagers (or Toph and Aang's age). My bet is that they'll do a flash forward, kind of like in the last Harry Potter book, and it'll show who ended up with who and how many kids they've got and things like that.

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    assasin61

    [1291]Mar 25, 2008
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    i hate not bein able to find my last post =.=
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    tomtitan

    [1292]Mar 25, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    snowprincess456 wrote:

    These vids from youtube are as Toph says it:Sweeeet!

    It is a series, so make sure you watch them all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcSNdblidaI&feature=PlayList&p=F39F2EA6D2D74EE2&index=0

    the creator of these get 7 internets!
    I'm sorry, I honestly can't stomach those videos. OMG look, Zuko ALMOST grabbed Katara to interrogate, but chooses her grandmother instead because he luves Katara so much. (Just ignoring the fact that he does indeed grab and interrogate her later. )

    And OMG, Katara says Zuko's name first! Not because Aang is unconscious at the moment and Sokka was halfway across the island, it must be because she loves him!

    I feel like I'm watching some bad conspiracy theory...
    I'm with you on that. I watched episode 4 of that and laughed and felt sick at the same time, because I was thinking "How can anyone be this lame?"
    most of the stuff in the videos are complete crap, the examples you mentioned are prime examples. but some stuff did make me think.
    however the point about them is, and i say it time and time again, they spend so much time looking at minute things like that that may or may not be evidence, whilst neglecting the fact that they only have 8 episodes left for zuko to break up with mai, katara to turn pure hatred into romantic love and aang to get over the fact that the girl of his dreams was just taken by a former enemy who he placed his trust in.
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    assasin61

    [1293]Mar 25, 2008
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    why isnt zutara an option on da poll thing
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    tomtitan

    [1294]Mar 25, 2008
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    assasin61 wrote:
    why isnt zutara an option on da poll thing
    ...because it's a poll about sokka ships...
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    Psyche987

    [1295]Mar 25, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    assasin61 wrote:
    why isnt zutara an option on da poll thing
    ...because it's a poll about sokka ships...

    Then at least give us a Zusokka option!!!

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    Spacerac

    [1296]Mar 25, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    snowprincess456 wrote:

    These vids from youtube are as Toph says it:Sweeeet!

    It is a series, so make sure you watch them all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcSNdblidaI&feature=PlayList&p=F39F2EA6D2D74EE2&index=0

    the creator of these get 7 internets!
    I'm sorry, I honestly can't stomach those videos. OMG look, Zuko ALMOST grabbed Katara to interrogate, but chooses her grandmother instead because he luves Katara so much. (Just ignoring the fact that he does indeed grab and interrogate her later. )

    And OMG, Katara says Zuko's name first! Not because Aang is unconscious at the moment and Sokka was halfway across the island, it must be because she loves him!

    I feel like I'm watching some bad conspiracy theory...
    I'm with you on that. I watched episode 4 of that and laughed and felt sick at the same time, because I was thinking "How can anyone be this lame?"
    most of the stuff in the videos are complete crap, the examples you mentioned are prime examples. but some stuff did make me think.
    however the point about them is, and i say it time and time again, they spend so much time looking at minute things like that that may or may not be evidence, whilst neglecting the fact that they only have 8 episodes left for zuko to break up with mai, katara to turn pure hatred into romantic love and aang to get over the fact that the girl of his dreams was just taken by a former enemy who he placed his trust in.
    Those vids are straw clutching at their finest. They will be sorely disappointed.
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    tomtitan

    [1297]Mar 25, 2008
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    Spacerac wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    snowprincess456 wrote:

    These vids from youtube are as Toph says it:Sweeeet!

    It is a series, so make sure you watch them all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcSNdblidaI&feature=PlayList&p=F39F2EA6D2D74EE2&index=0

    the creator of these get 7 internets!
    I'm sorry, I honestly can't stomach those videos. OMG look, Zuko ALMOST grabbed Katara to interrogate, but chooses her grandmother instead because he luves Katara so much. (Just ignoring the fact that he does indeed grab and interrogate her later. )

    And OMG, Katara says Zuko's name first! Not because Aang is unconscious at the moment and Sokka was halfway across the island, it must be because she loves him!

    I feel like I'm watching some bad conspiracy theory...
    I'm with you on that. I watched episode 4 of that and laughed and felt sick at the same time, because I was thinking "How can anyone be this lame?"
    most of the stuff in the videos are complete crap, the examples you mentioned are prime examples. but some stuff did make me think.
    however the point about them is, and i say it time and time again, they spend so much time looking at minute things like that that may or may not be evidence, whilst neglecting the fact that they only have 8 episodes left for zuko to break up with mai, katara to turn pure hatred into romantic love and aang to get over the fact that the girl of his dreams was just taken by a former enemy who he placed his trust in.
    Those vids are straw clutching at their finest. They will be sorely disappointed.
    actually i do reccomend you watch all 8, because they contain pretty much every zutarian argument, and if you know the zutarian argument you can argue against it better.

    in my opinion, you shouln't form an opinion on a subject until you know everything about the subject, get information from both sides of the argument to make an informed decision on your opinion, otherwise your opinion is worthless.
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    Spacerac

    [1298]Mar 25, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    snowprincess456 wrote:

    These vids from youtube are as Toph says it:Sweeeet!

    It is a series, so make sure you watch them all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcSNdblidaI&feature=PlayList&p=F39F2EA6D2D74EE2&index=0

    the creator of these get 7 internets!
    I'm sorry, I honestly can't stomach those videos. OMG look, Zuko ALMOST grabbed Katara to interrogate, but chooses her grandmother instead because he luves Katara so much. (Just ignoring the fact that he does indeed grab and interrogate her later. )

    And OMG, Katara says Zuko's name first! Not because Aang is unconscious at the moment and Sokka was halfway across the island, it must be because she loves him!

    I feel like I'm watching some bad conspiracy theory...
    I'm with you on that. I watched episode 4 of that and laughed and felt sick at the same time, because I was thinking "How can anyone be this lame?"
    most of the stuff in the videos are complete crap, the examples you mentioned are prime examples. but some stuff did make me think.
    however the point about them is, and i say it time and time again, they spend so much time looking at minute things like that that may or may not be evidence, whilst neglecting the fact that they only have 8 episodes left for zuko to break up with mai, katara to turn pure hatred into romantic love and aang to get over the fact that the girl of his dreams was just taken by a former enemy who he placed his trust in.
    Those vids are straw clutching at their finest. They will be sorely disappointed.
    actually i do reccomend you watch all 8, because they contain pretty much every zutarian argument, and if you know the zutarian argument you can argue against it better.

    in my opinion, you shouln't form an opinion on a subject until you know everything about the subject, get information from both sides of the argument to make an informed decision on your opinion, otherwise your opinion is worthless.
    ooh, I like that. Know your offense, defeat the enemy.
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    AllKnowingBeing

    [1299]Mar 25, 2008
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    Zukataangia will happen!

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    tomtitan

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    AllKnowingBeing wrote:

    Zukataangia will happen!
    zuko and the kataang ship?
    shipping characters and ships together?
    crackshipping at its finest.
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