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Nickelodeon Wasting Marketing Opportunity for Avatar: The Last Airbender

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    Lisa31468

    [1]May 1, 2008
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    The following was written by award-winning journalist Constantine von Hoffman. Amongst his many talents is a well read blog entitled, "Collateral Damage."

    Strangely he too finds it utterly insane that Nickelodeon is willing to pass on the uber-marketing possibilities inherent in Avatar. I guess we aren't the only ones who feel this way afterall.

    Nickelodeon wasting marketing opportunity for Avatar: The Last Airbender

    March 23, 2008

    appaAs a fan of the Nickelodeon series Avatar: The Last Airbender I am perplexed why the network is ignoring the best marketing opportunities for it. The show is an American anime that takes many of the familiar themes of the genre — magical children, the struggle against an evil empire, etc. — and used them to tell a story that is emotionally satisfying, intelligent and fun. It doesn't hurt that it happily borrows ideas from some of the all-time great anime. For example, there is the air bison Appa (left) a homage to the cat bus (below right) in Miyazake's My Neighbor Totoro. It is a show that Collateral Damage Jr. and I watch together happily.

    From what I've seen Nick has marketed this in the exact same manner it has marketed other successful animated shows like Bob L'ePonge and The Fairly Oddparents. They have done licensing to major toy makers and the fast fooders. There are also the t-shirts, hats, backpacks and other standard items. Given this and the fact that the show is about to enter its fourth season, some may wonder why I am saying Nick is missing it with the show's marketing.

    catbusI just returned from my annual sojourn at Anime Boston — a three-day long fest of anime, manga, and anything vaguely related to that. The last semi-official attendance figure I heard was 14,000, so it's no small thing. There were Avatar fans in abundance, as there have been at every anime convention I've been to since the show debuted in 2004. It is easy to tell who the fans are. They're the people dressed as the series' characters (even Appa) in costumes they made themselves. They are also the artists selling their own drawings of of the various characters (if Nick interferes with that then they are truly idiots). Each one of these people is an asset being ignored by Nick.

    The age range for these conferences is generally high school to early 30s (I am an outlier, to put it mildly) — well past the 6-11 slot that Nick mostly aims at. The con features an enormous dealer's section where people come to find tchotchkes of all sizes emblazoned with their favorite characters on them. Indeed, the dealers' room is always a huge draw at these things. I spent a lot of time in it — as usual — I can report that all those dealers didn't have so much as a single Avatar item for sale. In fact I have never seen an Avatar item for sale at any of these cons. A glance at the Nick online store makes it clear why. Other than the Avatar t-shirts and plushies, there is nothing that any fan in this age group would buy. These are people who want to wear their brand identification — which rules out action figures and Lego sets.

    My entirely anecdotal research suggests that Nick isn't having much luck with selling these items to the 6-11ers. I always see a LOT of Avatar merchandise in the discount aisles at Toy R Us and other big boxers.

    It seems to me that this is an example of Nick ignoring The Long Tail — selling less to more people — and blowing the opportunity to turn Avatar from a niche hit into a genuine phenomenon. As a result of its inability to market patches, stickers, keychains, clothing and accessories that might appeal to anyone over the age of 11, Nick is leaving a lot of money current and future money on the table.

    Anime fans are trendspotters and trendsetters for the youth market. These are the folks who knew about Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, Hello Kitty, Emily The Strange, and a host of other brands long before they became mainstream sales phenomenons. While some of them (including CD Jr.,) are in the 6-11 age range, most are not. But they are enormous influencers on this market. That's because they are the big brothers/sisters who define cool for the under 12-set.

    Another thing Nick needs to know is that the anime community is very design conscious — so it's not enough to simply slap the characters on to product. Find some good graphic artists — I'm sure the folks behind Avatar could point you in the right direction — and apply the same creativity that marks Avatar the show to its marketing. Some outreach/listening to the fans the show already has could make Avatar into a SpongeBob Squarepants type of earner for Nick. Failure to do this will make it nothing more that a slightly more successful Code Lyoko — the French anime franchise that Cartoon Network killed with its one-size-fits-all approach to marketing cartoons.

    Edited on 05/01/2008 10:46am
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    khalid13

    [2]May 1, 2008
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    Another example of Nick's idiocy. Can they be stupid enough to not realize that Avatar appeals to people outside the `6-11 bracket?

    Edit: First!

    Edited on 05/01/2008 7:46am
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    Kataangel

    [3]May 1, 2008
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    I like this thread. *continues to read*
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    [4]May 1, 2008
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    Lisa31468 wrote:

    The following was written by award-winning journalist Constatine von Hoffman. Amongst his many talents is a well read blog entitled, "Collateral Damage."

    Strangely he too finds it utterly insane that Nickelodeon is willing to pass on the uber-marketing possibilities inherent in Avatar. I guess we aren't the only ones who feel this way afterall.

    Nickelodeon wasting marketing opportunity for Avatar: The Last Airbender

    March 23, 2008

    appaAs a fan of the Nickelodeon series Avatar: The Last Airbender I am perplexed why the network is ignoring the best marketing opportunities for it. The show is an American anime that takes many of the familiar themes of the genre - magical children, the struggle against an evil empire, etc. - and used them to tell a story that is emotionally satisfying, intelligent and fun. It doesn't hurt that it happily borrows ideas from some of the all-time great anime. For example, there is the air bison Appa (left) a homage to the cat bus (below right) in Miyazake's My Neighbor Totoro. It is a show that Collateral Damage Jr. and I watch together happily.

    From what I've seen Nick has marketed this in the exact same manner it has marketed other successful animated shows like Bob L'ePonge and The Fairly Oddparents. They have done licensing to major toy makers and the fast fooders. There are also the t-shirts, hats, backpacks and other standard items. Given this and the fact that the show is about to enter its fourth season, some may wonder why I am saying Nick is missing it with the show's marketing.

    catbusI just returned from my annual sojourn at Anime Boston - a three-day long fest of anime, manga, and anything vaguely related to that. The last semi-official attendance figure I heard was 14,000, so it's no small thing. There were Avatar fans in abundance, as there have been at every anime convention I've been to since the show debuted in 2004. It is easy to tell who the fans are. They're the people dressed as the series' characters (even Appa) in costumes they made themselves. They are also the artists selling their own drawings of of the various characters (if Nick interferes with that then they are truly idiots). Each one of these people is an asset being ignored by Nick.

    The age range for these conferences is generally high school to early 30s (I am an outlier, to put it mildly) - well past the 6-11 slot that Nick mostly aims at. The con features an enormous dealer's section where people come to find tchotchkes of all sizes emblazoned with their favorite characters on them. Indeed, the dealers' room is always a huge draw at these things. I spent a lot of time in it - as usual - I can report that all those dealers didn't have so much as a single Avatar item for sale. In fact I have never seen an Avatar item for sale at any of these cons. A glance at the Nick online store makes it clear why. Other than the Avatar t-shirts and plushies, there is nothing that any fan in this age group would buy. These are people who want to wear their brand identification - which rules out action figures and Lego sets.

    My entirely anecdotal research suggests that Nick isn't having much luck with selling these items to the 6-11ers. I always see a LOT of Avatar merchandise in the discount aisles at Toy R Us and other big boxers.

    It seems to me that this is an example of Nick ignoring The Long Tail - selling less to more people - and blowing the opportunity to turn Avatar from a niche hit into a genuine phenomenon. As a result of its inability to market patches, stickers, keychains, clothing and accessories that might appeal to anyone over the age of 11, Nick is leaving a lot of money current and future money on the table.

    Anime fans are trendspotters and trendsetters for the youth market. These are the folks who knew about Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, Hello Kitty, Emily The Strange, and a host of other brands long before they became mainstream sales phenomenons. While some of them (including CD Jr.,) are in the 6-11 age range, most are not. But they are enormous influencers on this market. That's because they are the big brothers/sisters who define cool for the under 12-set.

    Another thing Nick needs to know is that the anime community is very design conscious - so it's not enough to simply slap the characters on to product. Find some good graphic artists - I'm sure the folks behind Avatar could point you in the right direction - and apply the same creativity that marks Avatar the show to its marketing. Some outreach/listening to the fans the show already has could make Avatar into a SpongeBob Squarepants type of earner for Nick. Failure to do this will make it nothing more that a slightly more successful Code Lyoko - the French anime franchise that Cartoon Network killed with its one-size-fits-all approach to marketing cartoons.



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    [6]May 1, 2008
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    It could be too late for Nick, I feel...
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    tomtitan

    [7]May 1, 2008
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    Thankyou! Finally someone understands! Give us plushies, T-shirts, a game I might actually want to play more than once, bobble heads, lunchboxes, action figures (that feature female characters ). I want Avatar goodies. This isn't the Soviet flicking Union! Capitalise!
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    laurenmoo78

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    I wholeheartedly agree. I have an Avatar lanyard that I wear with my school keys on it, but I was lucky to get that. The only place where I've seen Avatar goodies that teens would like has been in the Scholastic Book Club catalogs, and those come with books. Some have come with wristbands, some with pins, some with lanyards (yay) and other wearables, but again, that's the only place where I've seen it, and it's in the catalogs for the 6-11 kids. The TAB catalog hardly ever has Avatar books or sets, and that's the catalog they need to be in. (I don't know if any of your teachers give out Scholastic catalogs, but I give 'em to my students)
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    I looked for some Avatar t-shirts and all I found for girls was a really ugly Katara t-shirt. And the so-called action figures were ugly. The merchandise they are selling seems to be pretty low quality.
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    Spacerac

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    Into the Inferno looks like we'll finally get an at least decent Avatar game, if not potentially excellent.
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    Nick are truly idiots. If they'd just market Avatar a bit more, the fanbase would grow. Now, I don't want Avatar to be a complete sell-out, but it would be nice to have some more merchandise.

    It's nice to see more adults take a stand about this. Apart from the fact that he said that Avatar is "about to enter its fourth season" he seemed to pretty knowlegable about the show.

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    xRamensx wrote:

    Nick are truly idiots. If they'd just market Avatar a bit more, the fanbase would grow. Now, I don't want Avatar to be a complete sell-out, but it would be nice to have some more merchandise.

    It's nice to see more adults take a stand about this. Apart from the fact that he said that Avatar is "about to enter its fourth season" he seemed to pretty knowlegable about the show.

    Season 4 went out with Florida's ballots.

    It gave birth to the most horrible disaster:

    Bush/Spongebob

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    Kataangel wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    Nick are truly idiots. If they'd just market Avatar a bit more, the fanbase would grow. Now, I don't want Avatar to be a complete sell-out, but it would be nice to have some more merchandise.

    It's nice to see more adults take a stand about this. Apart from the fact that he said that Avatar is "about to enter its fourth season" he seemed to pretty knowlegable about the show.

    Season 4 went out with Florida's ballots.

    It gave birth to the most horrible disaster:

    Bush/Spongebob

    Good Lord, no!

    Bushbob is something that would even make Ozai and Azula wet themselves.

    It is truly the ultimate evil. D:

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    Spacerac

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    xRamensx wrote:
    Kataangel wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    Nick are truly idiots. If they'd just market Avatar a bit more, the fanbase would grow. Now, I don't want Avatar to be a complete sell-out, but it would be nice to have some more merchandise.

    It's nice to see more adults take a stand about this. Apart from the fact that he said that Avatar is "about to enter its fourth season" he seemed to pretty knowlegable about the show.

    Season 4 went out with Florida's ballots.

    It gave birth to the most horrible disaster:

    Bush/Spongebob

    Good Lord, no!

    Bushbob is something that would even make Ozai and Azula wet themselves.

    It is truly the ultimate evil. D:

    My mind has been destroyed.
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    Spacerac wrote:
    Into the Inferno looks like we'll finally get an at least decent Avatar game, if not potentially excellent.
    You think it's going to be good!

    Lol yer rite.

    Listen, the thing is, we all know it's going to be really bad, and yet we're still going to buy it.
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    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Into the Inferno looks like we'll finally get an at least decent Avatar game, if not potentially excellent.
    You think it's going to be good! Lol yer rite. Listen, the thing is, we all know it's going to be really bad, and yet we're still going to buy it.

    Trufax.

    Any Avatar merchandise is like crack for Avatards. It's questionable how good it is for you, but no matter how hard you try, you're going to have to have it.

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    xRamensx wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Into the Inferno looks like we'll finally get an at least decent Avatar game, if not potentially excellent.
    You think it's going to be good! Lol yer rite. Listen, the thing is, we all know it's going to be really bad, and yet we're still going to buy it.

    Trufax.

    Any Avatar merchandise is like crack for Avatards. It's questionable how good it is for you, but no matter how hard you try, you're going to have to have it.

    I'm renting first.
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    xRamensx

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    Spacerac wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Into the Inferno looks like we'll finally get an at least decent Avatar game, if not potentially excellent.
    You think it's going to be good! Lol yer rite. Listen, the thing is, we all know it's going to be really bad, and yet we're still going to buy it.

    Trufax.

    Any Avatar merchandise is like crack for Avatards. It's questionable how good it is for you, but no matter how hard you try, you're going to have to have it.

    I'm renting first.

    What systems does it work on?

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    tomtitan

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    xRamensx wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Into the Inferno looks like we'll finally get an at least decent Avatar game, if not potentially excellent.
    You think it's going to be good! Lol yer rite. Listen, the thing is, we all know it's going to be really bad, and yet we're still going to buy it.

    Trufax.

    Any Avatar merchandise is like crack for Avatards. It's questionable how good it is for you, but no matter how hard you try, you're going to have to have it.

    I'm renting first.

    What systems does it work on?

    Apparently with this game they're going to focus more on the wii version, but no doubt it will still be compatible on all of the major games consoles.
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    xRamensx

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    tomtitan wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    tomtitan wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    Into the Inferno looks like we'll finally get an at least decent Avatar game, if not potentially excellent.
    You think it's going to be good! Lol yer rite. Listen, the thing is, we all know it's going to be really bad, and yet we're still going to buy it.

    Trufax.

    Any Avatar merchandise is like crack for Avatards. It's questionable how good it is for you, but no matter how hard you try, you're going to have to have it.

    I'm renting first.

    What systems does it work on?

    Apparently with this game they're going to focus more on the wii version, but no doubt it will still be compatible on all of the major games consoles.

    I hope so. They still make Gamecube games right?

    Because the only semi-non-old system I have is Gamecube, and my brother has an XBox. Other than that, I have a Playstation 1, but we lost all of our good games, so that's not much good. And I also have a Nintendo 64.. And well.. Playing Super Smash Brothers, and Pokemon Snap gets old after a while.

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