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Kataang vs Zutara odds

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    Murellus

    [121]Apr 23, 2008
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    Captain Obvious to the rescue:

    Kataang's already happened on the Day of Black Sun (with a certain favourite scene that converted AllKnowingBeing and a person on ASN to Kataang). So what are we betting on? Zutara AND Kataang happening together?

    Oh joy a threesome!

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    nyfan

    [122]Apr 23, 2008
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    After all what I have heard on the news yesterday and today, I think a good comparision of what each ship represnets is:

    The odds of Kataang are the same as Barok Obama winning the demoncatic nomination, very likely but not still a sure thing. While the odds of Zutara are the same as Hillary Clintion winning the democratic nomination, could happen but still a long shot.

    Simply this Hillary Clinton as a better or equal chance of winning than Zutara. I don't think the democratics are stupid enough to alianate a big part of their support, african americans. If they steal the nomination from Obama there will be riots. Sorry for getting off topic, but I am a strong supporter of Obama, if he loses it will be BS.

    Edited on 04/23/2008 6:09am
    Edited 3 total times.
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    starreh

    [123]Apr 23, 2008
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    nyfan wrote:

    After all what I have heard on the news yesterday and today, I think a good comparision of what each ship represnets is:

    The odds of Kataang are the same as Barok Obama winning the demoncatic nomination, very likely but not still a sure thing. While the odds of Zutara are the same as Hillary Clintion winning the democratic nomination, could happen but still a long shot.



    Bros before hoes.
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    WiseLad

    [124]Apr 23, 2008
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    starreh wrote:
    nyfan wrote:

    After all what I have heard on the news yesterday and today, I think a good comparision of what each ship represnets is:

    The odds of Kataang are the same as Barok Obama winning the demoncatic nomination, very likely but not still a sure thing. While the odds of Zutara are the same as Hillary Clintion winning the democratic nomination, could happen but still a long shot.



    Bros before hoes.


    why not all of the above

    we might have a "obama-clinton" ticket most likely, with an outside shot of a "clinton-obama" ticket J/K
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    LeonMorado

    [125]Apr 23, 2008
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    MarryLarry wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    she's over the bitterness, she trusts zuko. it means quite a bit. but more importantly, if you know anything about probability, you know that odds mean jack when it comes to works of fiction, since the only possible outcome determined by the writers.

    You can still assess what has a greater chance of happening based on a person's personality or previous decisions. Example: a person likes action movies so he's more likely to see Rambo than Little Miss Sunshine. Exact statistics are pretty much impossible though when you're dealing with people's minds.
    wrong. that only works for real people, not fictional people whose actions are determined entirely by writers. whether that's the most likely course or the most dramatic is entirely up to them. statistics do not apply to the characters.
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    High00Lord

    [126]Apr 23, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    she's over the bitterness, she trusts zuko. it means quite a bit. but more importantly, if you know anything about probability, you know that odds mean jack when it comes to works of fiction, since the only possible outcome determined by the writers.

    You can still assess what has a greater chance of happening based on a person's personality or previous decisions. Example: a person likes action movies so he's more likely to see Rambo than Little Miss Sunshine. Exact statistics are pretty much impossible though when you're dealing with people's minds.
    wrong. that only works for real people, not fictional people whose actions are determined entirely by writers. whether that's the most likely course or the most dramatic is entirely up to them. statistics do not apply to the characters.

    They do if the writers are good. The writers' job is to keep the characters personalities the same throughout the show. They use character developement to enhance the character's traits, but they're going to stick the the character's basic trait. For example, they always have shown Aang as someone upset at death, they're going to stick with that. They're not going to have him start killing random people on purpose next episode.
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    Kataangel

    [127]Apr 23, 2008
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    High00Lord wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    she's over the bitterness, she trusts zuko. it means quite a bit. but more importantly, if you know anything about probability, you know that odds mean jack when it comes to works of fiction, since the only possible outcome determined by the writers.

    You can still assess what has a greater chance of happening based on a person's personality or previous decisions. Example: a person likes action movies so he's more likely to see Rambo than Little Miss Sunshine. Exact statistics are pretty much impossible though when you're dealing with people's minds.
    wrong. that only works for real people, not fictional people whose actions are determined entirely by writers. whether that's the most likely course or the most dramatic is entirely up to them. statistics do not apply to the characters.
    They do if the writers are good. The writers' job is to keep the characters personalities the same throughout the show. They use character developement to enhance the character's traits, but they're going to stick the the character's basic trait. For example, they always have shown Aang as someone upset at death, they're going to stick with that. They're not going to have him start killing random people on purpose next episode.

    Of course unless you have bipolar like Zuko.

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    LeonMorado

    [128]Apr 23, 2008
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    High00Lord wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    she's over the bitterness, she trusts zuko. it means quite a bit. but more importantly, if you know anything about probability, you know that odds mean jack when it comes to works of fiction, since the only possible outcome determined by the writers.

    You can still assess what has a greater chance of happening based on a person's personality or previous decisions. Example: a person likes action movies so he's more likely to see Rambo than Little Miss Sunshine. Exact statistics are pretty much impossible though when you're dealing with people's minds.
    wrong. that only works for real people, not fictional people whose actions are determined entirely by writers. whether that's the most likely course or the most dramatic is entirely up to them. statistics do not apply to the characters.

    They do if the writers are good. The writers' job is to keep the characters personalities the same throughout the show. They use character developement to enhance the character's traits, but they're going to stick the the character's basic trait. For example, they always have shown Aang as someone upset at death, they're going to stick with that. They're not going to have him start killing random people on purpose next episode.
    it's true that a good writer will establish a sense of consistency in his/her characters, but that has nothing to do with statistics and probability. it has to do entirely with what the audience expects and is willing to accept. having aang go on a killing spree would completely contradict and destroy the character they've established for him. statistics have nothing to do with it.

    probability isn't just people throwing around arbitrary numbers to show how certain about their own speculations.
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    Dawrel

    [129]Apr 23, 2008
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    75% for Kataang
    25% for Zutara

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    fatsomama

    [130]Apr 23, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    High00Lord wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    she's over the bitterness, she trusts zuko. it means quite a bit. but more importantly, if you know anything about probability, you know that odds mean jack when it comes to works of fiction, since the only possible outcome determined by the writers.

    You can still assess what has a greater chance of happening based on a person's personality or previous decisions. Example: a person likes action movies so he's more likely to see Rambo than Little Miss Sunshine. Exact statistics are pretty much impossible though when you're dealing with people's minds.
    wrong. that only works for real people, not fictional people whose actions are determined entirely by writers. whether that's the most likely course or the most dramatic is entirely up to them. statistics do not apply to the characters.

    They do if the writers are good. The writers' job is to keep the characters personalities the same throughout the show. They use character developement to enhance the character's traits, but they're going to stick the the character's basic trait. For example, they always have shown Aang as someone upset at death, they're going to stick with that. They're not going to have him start killing random people on purpose next episode.
    it's true that a good writer will establish a sense of consistency in his/her characters, but that has nothing to do with statistics and probability. it has to do entirely with what the audience expects and is willing to accept. having aang go on a killing spree would completely contradict and destroy the character they've established for him. statistics have nothing to do with it.

    probability isn't just people throwing around arbitrary numbers to show how certain about their own speculations.
    Truth. Those statistics really represent how an individual has discerned what Bryke's intentions are coupled with how likely we think it is they will stick to that "sense of consistency" for the characters. It has nothing to do with the probability that Kataang/Zutara will happen.
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    WiseLad

    [131]Apr 23, 2008
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    fatsomama wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    High00Lord wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    she's over the bitterness, she trusts zuko. it means quite a bit. but more importantly, if you know anything about probability, you know that odds mean jack when it comes to works of fiction, since the only possible outcome determined by the writers.

    You can still assess what has a greater chance of happening based on a person's personality or previous decisions. Example: a person likes action movies so he's more likely to see Rambo than Little Miss Sunshine. Exact statistics are pretty much impossible though when you're dealing with people's minds.
    wrong. that only works for real people, not fictional people whose actions are determined entirely by writers. whether that's the most likely course or the most dramatic is entirely up to them. statistics do not apply to the characters.

    They do if the writers are good. The writers' job is to keep the characters personalities the same throughout the show. They use character developement to enhance the character's traits, but they're going to stick the the character's basic trait. For example, they always have shown Aang as someone upset at death, they're going to stick with that. They're not going to have him start killing random people on purpose next episode.
    it's true that a good writer will establish a sense of consistency in his/her characters, but that has nothing to do with statistics and probability. it has to do entirely with what the audience expects and is willing to accept. having aang go on a killing spree would completely contradict and destroy the character they've established for him. statistics have nothing to do with it.

    probability isn't just people throwing around arbitrary numbers to show how certain about their own speculations.
    Truth. Those statistics really represent how an individual has discerned what Bryke's intentions are coupled with how likely we think it is they will stick to that "sense of consistency" for the characters. It has nothing to do with the probability that Kataang/Zutara will happen.


    for the most part, western writers tend to go with a certain plan no matter what, they go according to "how they made their own characters"

    if that was not the case, I would not be guessing in movies and tv series I never saw what was gonna happen later on, so much that many people don't believe me I never saw the movie or an episode of a TV series, sometimes guessing the next line or being real close to what was gonna be said next
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    LeonMorado

    [132]Apr 23, 2008
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    WiseLad wrote:
    fatsomama wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    High00Lord wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    she's over the bitterness, she trusts zuko. it means quite a bit. but more importantly, if you know anything about probability, you know that odds mean jack when it comes to works of fiction, since the only possible outcome determined by the writers.

    You can still assess what has a greater chance of happening based on a person's personality or previous decisions. Example: a person likes action movies so he's more likely to see Rambo than Little Miss Sunshine. Exact statistics are pretty much impossible though when you're dealing with people's minds.
    wrong. that only works for real people, not fictional people whose actions are determined entirely by writers. whether that's the most likely course or the most dramatic is entirely up to them. statistics do not apply to the characters.

    They do if the writers are good. The writers' job is to keep the characters personalities the same throughout the show. They use character developement to enhance the character's traits, but they're going to stick the the character's basic trait. For example, they always have shown Aang as someone upset at death, they're going to stick with that. They're not going to have him start killing random people on purpose next episode.
    it's true that a good writer will establish a sense of consistency in his/her characters, but that has nothing to do with statistics and probability. it has to do entirely with what the audience expects and is willing to accept. having aang go on a killing spree would completely contradict and destroy the character they've established for him. statistics have nothing to do with it.

    probability isn't just people throwing around arbitrary numbers to show how certain about their own speculations.
    Truth. Those statistics really represent how an individual has discerned what Bryke's intentions are coupled with how likely we think it is they will stick to that "sense of consistency" for the characters. It has nothing to do with the probability that Kataang/Zutara will happen.


    for the most part, western writers tend to go with a certain plan no matter what, they go according to "how they made their own characters"

    if that was not the case, I would not be guessing in movies and tv series I never saw what was gonna happen later on, so much that many people don't believe me I never saw the movie or an episode of a TV series, sometimes guessing the next line or being real close to what was gonna be said next
    the point still remains that expectations =/= statistics. the numbers are still arbitrary, and people's expectations really boil down to which patterns in the writing are most prevalent to them.
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    Beastgirl2

    [133]Apr 23, 2008
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    tomtitan wrote:
    What's the point of this thread? Almost any answer will be subjective, and 50/50 isn't true, we all know that. Plus any percentage can be debated, there's no definitive percentage. The actual percentage is 100%-0% for one ship, but we can't know for sure which one.

    Of course, but if I had to bet a large sum of money on one or the other, I would definitely bet on Kataang. Maybe that's a more reasonable question.

    Although I would reasonably assume that the majority of people would say Kataang (unless of course they don't mind losing a large sum of money)

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    Targus2010

    [134]Apr 24, 2008
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    I know I'm going back on topic, so:

    Kataang:75%

    Zutara:25%

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    MarryLarry

    [135]Apr 24, 2008
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    LeonMorado wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:
    fatsomama wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    High00Lord wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    things.

    awesome things
    more things.
    stuff.
    even more things.
    other things.
    lots of stuff
    the point still remains that expectations =/= statistics. the numbers are still arbitrary, and people's expectations really boil down to which patterns in the writing are most prevalent to them.

    I'd just like to point out I said 'chance' not 'statistics or probability.' Based on what's been seen on the show thus far, anyone can see which ship has a greater chance of happening. People can predict what writers have in store based on their previous works. Choosing what movie to go to or how to finish writing a fantasy script and indeed all decisions in life are similar because they are determined by a person's choice. And if you know how that person thinks you can make a pretty good guess as to what their decision is going to be. But people have been known to change their minds.

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    LeonMorado

    [136]Apr 24, 2008
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    MarryLarry wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:
    fatsomama wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    High00Lord wrote:
    LeonMorado wrote:
    MarryLarry wrote:

    LeonMorado wrote:
    things.

    awesome things
    more things.
    stuff.
    even more things.
    other things.
    lots of stuff
    the point still remains that expectations =/= statistics. the numbers are still arbitrary, and people's expectations really boil down to which patterns in the writing are most prevalent to them.

    I'd just like to point out I said 'chance' not 'statistics or probability.' Based on what's been seen on the show thus far, anyone can see which ship has a greater chance of happening. People can predict what writers have in store based on their previous works. Choosing what movie to go to or how to finish writing a fantasy script and indeed all decisions in life are similar because they are determined by a person's choice. And if you know how that person thinks you can make a pretty good guess as to what their decision is going to be. But people have been known to change their minds.
    what you're talking about is predicting peoples' (or characters') actions based on patterns in their behavior, which in the case of actual people or well rounded characters, can become highly subjective. i was talking about the point of this thread, which is determining odds. odds are, by definition, a measure of probability.
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    MarryLarry

    [137]Apr 24, 2008
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    I know what you're saying. I'm just pointing out that the chances of one outcome is greater than the other based on the pattern of the show and the decisions of the writers so far. But just like stastics, it can change in a heartbeat.
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    Cyberdramon1995

    [138]Apr 24, 2008
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    99.8% Kataang

    0.2% Zutara

    Not that im a Kataanger or anything, im just being honest

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    kataang_1

    [139]May 18, 2008
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    kaybee_2 wrote:
    I think I'll also go with Kataang - 95% and Zutara - 5%. I hug my guy friends all the time.

    Same here all my friends do... We espacially hug de guys we lyk

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    Coolcamz18

    [140]May 18, 2008
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    Cyberdramon1995 wrote:

    99.8% Kataang

    0.2% Zutara

    Not that im a Kataanger or anything, im just being honest
    Even if I wasn't a kataanger (nor zutarian) That would be it.
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