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Is Jet gonna die?

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    cdripper

    [41]Nov 2, 2006
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    Falcondude123 wrote:
    Jet got pounded by several hundred pounds of high-velocity rock. I don't think anyone would survive. Then again, no one has really thought about what Long Shot was pointing his arrow at. It looked like the back door, but that makes no sense. I think Jet was vulnerable and Long Shot was aiming at the door in case any enemies came in.


    Hello... People get hit with several hundred pounds of high velocity rock ALL THE TIME in this series (then by all rights, Toph probably slaughtered every one of the Earth Rumble Tournament Stable back in 'The Blind Bandit"). An old guy got fried by lightning some time back. People throw fire and lightning with their hands. There are flying six-legged bison. It's not a stretch for people to survive such things in Avatar.
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    cdripper

    [42]Nov 2, 2006
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    Labousky22 wrote:
    If you look at the scene carefully, Smellerbee is putting her hand to Jet's forehead and moving it back and forth.


    Then does that mean she's closing and opening his eyes over and over? Closing his eyes would only take a single motion, not 'back and forth'.

    If she WAS closing his eyes, they'd have to show it- a dramatic moment like that HAS TO BE SEEN (and such a thing is not possible for a Nick Toon, IMO). Odds are she's just caressing/touching his forehead as she looks after him.
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    Maylene

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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    (SPOILER! DAM IT)

    Wasn't Smeller-Bee like closing his eyelids in that scene?


    SPOILERS....

    I saw her rubbing his forehead. Also, most of me believes him to be dead because of what Long Feng said about him choosing his own DEMISE. I hope, though, that he is not dead. Ever since the Fire Nation's Secret movie, I've grown to like Jet and Lake Laogai increased that. He's no longer a jerk like in the first ep he was in. So I hope he is not dead, just like I hope Suki and her girls are all right, but something is nagging at me that he might be.
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    Maylene

    [44]Nov 2, 2006
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    cdripper wrote:
    Hello... People get hit with several hundred pounds of high velocity rock ALL THE TIME in this series (then by all rights, Toph probably slaughtered every one of the Earth Rumble Tournament Stable back in 'The Blind Bandit"). An old guy got fried by lightning some time back. People throw fire and lightning with their hands. There are flying six-legged bison. It's not a stretch for people to survive such things in Avatar.
    good point.
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    Spike815

    [45]Nov 2, 2006
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    Guys... he's dead. They have to leave it open like this for the Y-7 rating. This is General Zhou's death all over again, and we know how that turned out. I am sorry but he is dead.
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    masterofaeons

    [46]Nov 2, 2006
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    Maylene wrote:
    cdripper wrote:
    Hello... People get hit with several hundred pounds of high velocity rock ALL THE TIME in this series (then by all rights, Toph probably slaughtered every one of the Earth Rumble Tournament Stable back in 'The Blind Bandit"). An old guy got fried by lightning some time back. People throw fire and lightning with their hands. There are flying six-legged bison. It's not a stretch for people to survive such things in Avatar.
    good point.


    NOOOOO. Bad point. For the love of (Non Christian Diety inserted here), if you can't establish a canon and simple consequences for your veiwers and renig on everything you write by the grace of "maaaaagic", you have no buisness writing! Either you kill a character or you don't. They clearly HAVE. Stop bending the laws of nature to suit your purposes.
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    Maylene

    [47]Nov 2, 2006
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    masterofaeons wrote:


    NOOOOO. Bad point. For the love of (Non Christian Diety inserted here), if you can't establish a canon and simple consequences for your veiwers and renig on everything you write by the grace of "maaaaagic", you have no buisness writing! Either you kill a character or you don't. They clearly HAVE. Stop bending the laws of nature to suit your purposes.


    So you're telling me to abandon hope? (Does this sound all too familiar? LoL) When I only have 10 percent of it when it concerns Jet's fate? Jet in my eyes, kinda redeemed himself, and to have killed off right after that is cruel. He should live his life anew, like he planned to do.

    Then again, life's not fair. Still cdripper had a point. Iroh was struck by lightning and he didn't die! Not that I want him to. It's bad enough Mako died.
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    masterofaeons

    [48]Nov 2, 2006
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    Maylene wrote:

    Jet in my eyes, kinda redeemed himself, and to have killed off right after that is cruel. He should live his life anew, like he planned to do.


    Welcome to the world of plot devices.

    Man: I see things anew, childhood sweetheart!
    Childhood Sweetheart: Oh, Man! I am so happy for you!
    Man: I'm going to live right! I'm going to appreciate you! I'm gonna eat Grape Nuts every morning! I understand the meaning of life and I'm not gonna hesitate to live every day to it's fullest! Sweetheart, will you marry me?
    Childhood Sweetheart: Oh! Man, you loveable man! I don't know what to say!
    Man: Say yes! I want to hear you say yes! Tell me -
    BANG!
    *Embittered Rival shoots him through the heart*
    Embittered Rival: Hear that, Man.
    Childhood Sweetheart: Embittered Rival, you MONSTER!
    *She cries over Man's body*

    That was more dramatic than I meant it to be.
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    Maylene

    [49]Nov 2, 2006
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    masterofaeons wrote:


    Welcome to the world of plot devices.

    Man: I see things anew, childhood sweetheart!
    Childhood Sweetheart: Oh, Man! I am so happy for you!
    Man: I'm going to live right! I'm going to appreciate you! I'm gonna eat Grape Nuts every morning! I understand the meaning of life and I'm not gonna hesitate to live every day to it's fullest! Sweetheart, will you marry me?
    Childhood Sweetheart: Oh! Man, you loveable man! I don't know what to say!
    Man: Say yes! I want to hear you say yes! Tell me -
    BANG!
    *Embittered Rival shoots him through the heart*
    Embittered Rival: Hear that, Man.
    Childhood Sweetheart: Embittered Rival, you MONSTER!
    *She cries over Man's body*

    That was more dramatic than I meant it to be.


    Your story seems familiar... But yeah I guess you're right. It was still cruel though. Next thing you know, they WILL kill of Toph at the end of season 3.

    May Jet RIP TT__TT
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    masterofaeons

    [50]Nov 2, 2006
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    Oh no...they're MUCH too clever to DO that. :where is the rolleyes emoticon?:
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    AvatarFan26

    [51]Nov 2, 2006
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    I want him to die just to put some more drama in the show
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    dumbTVnut

    [52]Nov 2, 2006
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    cdripper wrote:
    dumbTVnut wrote:
    cdripper wrote:
    He's only dead if you see a grave. Even then, I'd dig it up to make sure.


    that what people said about Zhao, until the creators finaly said in a commentary that he is dead, I guess they need to make a grave for him too, right?


    WHY would they make a grave for ZHAO? Don't be a nut. It was clearly a death in that case, and he had played out his role as the villain of season one.


    It was a joke, and although you and I agree that he clearly died there have been many threads were people questioned it because of the ambiguous nature of deaths on a Y7 or G rated TV show.

    masterofaeons,

    Just use the who lethal weapon spoof approch.
    "I've been working on the force of 30 years and I'm just 2 days from retiring, going with the miss to live out our golden years in Alaska *mad man comes in shoots the guy several times* ghhhh tell my wife I bleeeh *falls over dead*"
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    masterofaeons

    [53]Nov 2, 2006
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    *puts Lethal Weapon in the VHS player*
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    ardron

    [54]Nov 2, 2006
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    That is the(now thats gotta hert) look. lol, look at toph's face.

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    LordMordor

    [55]Nov 2, 2006
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    Maylene wrote:
    masterofaeons wrote:


    NOOOOO. Bad point. For the love of (Non Christian Diety inserted here), if you can't establish a canon and simple consequences for your veiwers and renig on everything you write by the grace of "maaaaagic", you have no buisness writing! Either you kill a character or you don't. They clearly HAVE. Stop bending the laws of nature to suit your purposes.


    So you're telling me to abandon hope? (Does this sound all too familiar? LoL) When I only have 10 percent of it when it concerns Jet's fate? Jet in my eyes, kinda redeemed himself, and to have killed off right after that is cruel. He should live his life anew, like he planned to do.

    Then again, life's not fair. Still cdripper had a point. Iroh was struck by lightning and he didn't die! Not that I want him to. It's bad enough Mako died.


    if your reffering to the book 1 episode the Storm...Iroh has shown that he is capable of bending lightning so it would make sense for him to be able to control and re-direct it.

    if your refering to the Chase when Azula attacks him, she hit him with Blue flames, not lightning. the lightning attack not only looks completly different but takes a few seconds to charge up. it was a glancing blow anyway, still enough to do heavy damage but it didn't hit any vital area
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    ardron

    [56]Nov 2, 2006
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    ??

    ????Look at Jets dying face, beautiful.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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    Lisa31468

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    First, to whomever it is that is clever enough to post full-length Avatar episodes on YouTube.com before they even frickin' air on Nickelodeon, we LOVE you and I mean we absolutely LOVE and ADORE??you! For pity's sake THANK YOU! We are all crossing our fingers that Avatar episodes will remain untouched and under the radar with Google's recent purchase of YT.

    Second, I think many of the comments made in this thread make very good points but I would have to agree that Avatar, like 'Lord of the Rings' and others tend to follow classic literature epic??plot lines and as such it only makes sense that Jet would redeem himself just in time to die. The fact that Jet??apologizes to Aang in an apparent attempt to try to set his soul to rest by healing the rifts of the past only furthers to demonstrate this truth.

    Avatar creators have such a monumental task in front of them. They designed??the show??to reach??primarily boys/teens 9-14 years of age and yet have managed to develop a diehard fanbase that doesn't at all fit into that category.

    The untimely demise of Jet may have been planned from the beginning of the storyline. However I feel that younger??viewers who saw the scene and didn't catch that death might be the final??outcome most likely didn't??even think twice that Jet indeed had survived and as such they saw exactly what they needed to see. Older kids and adult viewers recognized Smellerbee closing Jets' eyes and knew??he had most likely died.

    In this way Avatar creators were able to stay within the Y7 viewer rating while still allowing for some Avatar-appropriate plot twists at??the same time. Let's face it, Aang is alive for a specific purpose--to save the world. With that in mind and in keeping with the fact that two opposing forces are working at opposite poles to win, someone somewhere is likely to die.

    I also wonder what has become??of Suki and the Kyoshi warriors and agree with other posters across the board that things??are building?? for an alliance??between Aang, Katara, Sokka, Toph,??Zuko and??Iroh??with the purpose of Aang to learn firebending and defeat the Fire Lord and??for Zuko to stand against and apart from his father to make his own destiny.

    My husband and I both shook our heads when we saw 'Lake Laogai' and said together that just when you think you've seen the very best Avatar you are struck once again with mouth hanging open and teary eyes, saying now THAT was the best episode ever! lol

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    cdripper

    [58]Nov 3, 2006
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    Whatever. He dies, he lives... I don't care either way. I just find so much of the reasoning behind the arguments that Jet may die here so bad and even flat-out annoying that I had to speak up as the angel's advocate.

    Bottom line, we won't know for sure until the actual show says so.

    Till then, speculate all you want.
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    cdripper

    [59]Nov 3, 2006
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    ardron wrote:

    That is the(now thats gotta hert) look. lol, look at toph's face.



    Same look she had when Iroh got fried.

    Oh, he's alive.
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    cdripper

    [60]Nov 3, 2006
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    I just watched the episode and I still think Jet will survive. Avatar has done this kind of dramatic red herring before, and as a writer myself, dramatic deaths are sometimes good for effect but are not something to be done lightly.

    Jet (and his gang) are interesting characters and there are loose ends with the Rough Rhinos and Zuko, as well as a redemption thing that bodes well for him in terms of karma. If we're talking about plot devices, the thing here is that Jet HAS to suffer through a grievous injury to keep him from becoming a part of the main cast- something he would surely want to do afterwards- To keep the Aang Gang from turning into an Aang Army (and to spare Aang competition for Katara right now) by keeping Jet and his freedom fighters separate. This also puts the rest of the fight against the Dai Li fully on the Avatar and company for the rest of Season 2.

    Hopefully though the show will clear up Jet's final fate before the season ends (as well as Suki's, for all those thinking Azula fried her)- hopefully by tying up everything during the finale and opening up fresh with Book Three and the trip to the Fire Nation.
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