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If You could Change Anything about the Finale, What Would It Be?

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    isabelwhatx

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    MaddoKos wrote:
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    Nah. Someone should've died.

    But I thought the finale was basically perfect as it was.

    Maybe...well, this is small. But I would've liked to see Katara use bloodbending on Azula.

    YES! YES! AHahahhaa. Maybe not on Azula, but on someone. The Puppet Master was way to significant to have Katara only use blood bending once in TSR for a grand total of two seconds.


    I know. Underused plot element much?

    Ahahaha. Usually almost everything is significant in ATLA, but one of the COOLEST things they had wasn't really put to use. I almost feel like that small excerpt in TSR was just an excuse to use it so that The Puppet Master wasn't a total waste.


    That's what's known as a "red herring." Of course, since bloodbending only worked during the full moon it is kind of an unreliable technique.

    Then they should have made TSR more significant in blood bending. They had the perfect opportunity.
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    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    I would have given the finale an extra episode to expand on some of the fights but mainly to focus on the things that were sort of left out or spead up. Like Ursa.

    They were about to include the Ursa thing but they decided to go for the whole peaceful ending instead. I wish they could've made it longer, but I don't think Nick would have enjoyed that much. That's an extra half hour of air time. Not good for money.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    Nah. Someone should've died.

    But I thought the finale was basically perfect as it was.

    Maybe...well, this is small. But I would've liked to see Katara use bloodbending on Azula.

    YES! YES! AHahahhaa. Maybe not on Azula, but on someone. The Puppet Master was way to significant to have Katara only use blood bending once in TSR for a grand total of two seconds.


    I know. Underused plot element much?

    Ahahaha. Usually almost everything is significant in ATLA, but one of the COOLEST things they had wasn't really put to use. I almost feel like that small excerpt in TSR was just an excuse to use it so that The Puppet Master wasn't a total waste.


    That's what's known as a "red herring." Of course, since bloodbending only worked during the full moon it is kind of an unreliable technique.

    Then they should have made TSR more significant in blood bending. They had the perfect opportunity.


    Well, Katara using bloodbending is like Aang using the Avatar State to kill Ozai. It's temptation for power that ultimately you have to reject in order to keep your soul intact. Like the Ring in LOTR.

    But they still should have used BB in the finale and made that inner conflict of Katara's more evident.
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    SapphireStones wrote:
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    Oh yeah. I LOLd my brains out during the scene when the White Lotus is retaking BaSingSe, ferociously fighting and wiping out the firebenders, and then it shows Iroh doing HIS part... (i.e. burning a little flag). LOLOLOL!!

    You go, I-roh! Burn that thing! Everyone else is just risking thier lives, fighting for freedom and justice, but dude! You're the one who makes a statement!! XD Go, man! Go, man! Go, man! Burn that little thing! LOLOLOL.

    I thought I was the ONLY ONE who thought that!!


    No, you're not alone!
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    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    Nah. Someone should've died.

    But I thought the finale was basically perfect as it was.

    Maybe...well, this is small. But I would've liked to see Katara use bloodbending on Azula.

    YES! YES! AHahahhaa. Maybe not on Azula, but on someone. The Puppet Master was way to significant to have Katara only use blood bending once in TSR for a grand total of two seconds.


    I know. Underused plot element much?

    Ahahaha. Usually almost everything is significant in ATLA, but one of the COOLEST things they had wasn't really put to use. I almost feel like that small excerpt in TSR was just an excuse to use it so that The Puppet Master wasn't a total waste.


    That's what's known as a "red herring." Of course, since bloodbending only worked during the full moon it is kind of an unreliable technique.

    Then they should have made TSR more significant in blood bending. They had the perfect opportunity.


    Well, Katara using bloodbending is like Aang using the Avatar State to kill Ozai. It's temptation for power that ultimately you have to reject in order to keep your soul intact. Like the Ring in LOTR.

    But they still should have used BB in the finale and made that inner conflict of Katara's more evident.

    Yeah. I agree with the last part, but not about Aang using the Avatar State to kill Ozai. He's outmatched in his regular state. And he's not doing it for stupid revenge, he's doing it to help everyone else.
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    i wouldve made another appearance of cactus juice

    some comic ending.

    like ozai being high off cactus juice

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    I thought it was fine but I would've preferred if Ty-Lee and Mai were out fighting, since they're so cool. Also, Teoph > Tuke.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    Nah. Someone should've died.

    But I thought the finale was basically perfect as it was.

    Maybe...well, this is small. But I would've liked to see Katara use bloodbending on Azula.

    YES! YES! AHahahhaa. Maybe not on Azula, but on someone. The Puppet Master was way to significant to have Katara only use blood bending once in TSR for a grand total of two seconds.


    I know. Underused plot element much?

    Ahahaha. Usually almost everything is significant in ATLA, but one of the COOLEST things they had wasn't really put to use. I almost feel like that small excerpt in TSR was just an excuse to use it so that The Puppet Master wasn't a total waste.


    That's what's known as a "red herring." Of course, since bloodbending only worked during the full moon it is kind of an unreliable technique.

    Then they should have made TSR more significant in blood bending. They had the perfect opportunity.


    Well, Katara using bloodbending is like Aang using the Avatar State to kill Ozai. It's temptation for power that ultimately you have to reject in order to keep your soul intact. Like the Ring in LOTR.

    But they still should have used BB in the finale and made that inner conflict of Katara's more evident.

    Yeah. I agree with the last part, but not about Aang using the Avatar State to kill Ozai. He's outmatched in his regular state. And he's not doing it for stupid revenge, he's doing it to help everyone else.


    No, you missunderstand me. I'm glad Aang used the Avatar State to kick Ozai's ass.

    It's just Aang would've had to sacrifice core principles if he had actually killed him.
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    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    Nah. Someone should've died.

    But I thought the finale was basically perfect as it was.

    Maybe...well, this is small. But I would've liked to see Katara use bloodbending on Azula.

    YES! YES! AHahahhaa. Maybe not on Azula, but on someone. The Puppet Master was way to significant to have Katara only use blood bending once in TSR for a grand total of two seconds.


    I know. Underused plot element much?

    Ahahaha. Usually almost everything is significant in ATLA, but one of the COOLEST things they had wasn't really put to use. I almost feel like that small excerpt in TSR was just an excuse to use it so that The Puppet Master wasn't a total waste.


    That's what's known as a "red herring." Of course, since bloodbending only worked during the full moon it is kind of an unreliable technique.

    Then they should have made TSR more significant in blood bending. They had the perfect opportunity.


    Well, Katara using bloodbending is like Aang using the Avatar State to kill Ozai. It's temptation for power that ultimately you have to reject in order to keep your soul intact. Like the Ring in LOTR.

    But they still should have used BB in the finale and made that inner conflict of Katara's more evident.

    Yeah. I agree with the last part, but not about Aang using the Avatar State to kill Ozai. He's outmatched in his regular state. And he's not doing it for stupid revenge, he's doing it to help everyone else.


    No, you missunderstand me. I'm glad Aang used the Avatar State to kick Ozai's ass.

    It's just Aang would've had to sacrifice core principles if he had actually killed him.

    Ahhh. I get it now. I agree, then, completely. The more I think about it, the more perfect the finale was. Jesus.
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    piranhapete wrote:
    I thought it was fine but I would've preferred if Ty-Lee and Mai were out fighting, since they're so cool. Also, Teoph > Tuke.

    Eh, I agree, but where was the time?
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    MaddoKos wrote:
    Nah. Someone should've died.

    But I thought the finale was basically perfect as it was.

    Maybe...well, this is small. But I would've liked to see Katara use bloodbending on Azula.

    YES! YES! AHahahhaa. Maybe not on Azula, but on someone. The Puppet Master was way to significant to have Katara only use blood bending once in TSR for a grand total of two seconds.


    I know. Underused plot element much?

    Ahahaha. Usually almost everything is significant in ATLA, but one of the COOLEST things they had wasn't really put to use. I almost feel like that small excerpt in TSR was just an excuse to use it so that The Puppet Master wasn't a total waste.


    That's what's known as a "red herring." Of course, since bloodbending only worked during the full moon it is kind of an unreliable technique.

    Then they should have made TSR more significant in blood bending. They had the perfect opportunity.


    Well, Katara using bloodbending is like Aang using the Avatar State to kill Ozai. It's temptation for power that ultimately you have to reject in order to keep your soul intact. Like the Ring in LOTR.

    But they still should have used BB in the finale and made that inner conflict of Katara's more evident.

    Yeah. I agree with the last part, but not about Aang using the Avatar State to kill Ozai. He's outmatched in his regular state. And he's not doing it for stupid revenge, he's doing it to help everyone else.


    No, you missunderstand me. I'm glad Aang used the Avatar State to kick Ozai's ass.

    It's just Aang would've had to sacrifice core principles if he had actually killed him.

    Ahhh. I get it now. I agree, then, completely. The more I think about it, the more perfect the finale was. Jesus.


    Aye.
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    Chaospyro wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    WOULD PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT THE LION TURTLE WAS RANDOM?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thank you, just had to get that out of my system. The Lion turtle was featured in two episodes prior to the finale - The Library and Sokka's Master. In both of those episodes the beast was brought up specifically, commented on by name, and featured an image of the beast. In The Library, we even got to see that it was far bigger than a man. So the Lion Turtle was not just a randomly thrown in creation; Bryke were evidently planning this for some time. Add in that there was an image of the Lion Turtle (even if it wasn't named at that point) in the unaired pilot episode, and the Lion Turtle actually got a lot more forshadowing than Zuko reuniting with his mother did (which is why the former happened and the latter didn't).

    Thats true the lion turtle was foreshadowed a lot but the fact that I don't think anyone here picked up on that before the episode aired meant that people saw it as coming out of the blue. The Lion turtle was a very good concept but IMO I just felt it was a tad bit rushed. Kudos to the writers though in showing us the lion turtle plenty of times before the finale but still surprising us with how the lion turtle played its part in the finale.

    What about Koh. He wasnt even mentioned before the finale and every body loves him.
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    Honestly, there's a lot I would have changed about the finale, even though I still really liked it. I wouldn't modify the first 2 episodes at all. Imo they were done perfectly. However, I think the 3rd and 4th could have been much better.

    My first big problem with the finale was the entire aang-ozai fight. They were pushing each other into walls and hitting each other with fire for a very long time, and neither of them even got a scratch. I'm not asking for massive blood but how about some bruises or scratches; I would have taken absolutely anything. I mean, aang didn't even look tired after coming out of the avatar state and he normally like collapses when he returns from it.

    Which brings me to my next disappointment - aang going into the avatar state. Come on bryke, literally moments from defeat, he hits a rock and opens his seventh chakra (which is located at the crown of the forehead) and then becomes unstoppable. I think the fight would have been better ended with toph earthbending ozai into an inescapable hold from behind as a surprise attack. Imo that is a much more realistic and just an all-around better ending.

    The zuko+katara-azula fight was incredible, but it was a little short. I would have extended it a little, and added more closure to make the finale 2 and a half hours.

    Don't get me wrong; I loved the finale. I just think it would have been even better this way.
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    DrAvatar wrote:
    Chaospyro wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    WOULD PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT THE LION TURTLE WAS RANDOM?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thank you, just had to get that out of my system. The Lion turtle was featured in two episodes prior to the finale - The Library and Sokka's Master. In both of those episodes the beast was brought up specifically, commented on by name, and featured an image of the beast. In The Library, we even got to see that it was far bigger than a man. So the Lion Turtle was not just a randomly thrown in creation; Bryke were evidently planning this for some time. Add in that there was an image of the Lion Turtle (even if it wasn't named at that point) in the unaired pilot episode, and the Lion Turtle actually got a lot more forshadowing than Zuko reuniting with his mother did (which is why the former happened and the latter didn't).

    Thats true the lion turtle was foreshadowed a lot but the fact that I don't think anyone here picked up on that before the episode aired meant that people saw it as coming out of the blue. The Lion turtle was a very good concept but IMO I just felt it was a tad bit rushed. Kudos to the writers though in showing us the lion turtle plenty of times before the finale but still surprising us with how the lion turtle played its part in the finale.

    What about Koh. He wasnt even mentioned before the finale and every body loves him.

    Koh was mentioned in the first season, during The Seige of the North (2), in one of Aang's trips to the Spirit World. Aang had to meet Koh, actually, and keep his composure. It was quite interesting to watch.
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    Chaospyro wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    WOULD PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT THE LION TURTLE WAS RANDOM?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thank you, just had to get that out of my system. The Lion turtle was featured in two episodes prior to the finale - The Library and Sokka's Master. In both of those episodes the beast was brought up specifically, commented on by name, and featured an image of the beast. In The Library, we even got to see that it was far bigger than a man. So the Lion Turtle was not just a randomly thrown in creation; Bryke were evidently planning this for some time. Add in that there was an image of the Lion Turtle (even if it wasn't named at that point) in the unaired pilot episode, and the Lion Turtle actually got a lot more forshadowing than Zuko reuniting with his mother did (which is why the former happened and the latter didn't).

    Thats true the lion turtle was foreshadowed a lot but the fact that I don't think anyone here picked up on that before the episode aired meant that people saw it as coming out of the blue. The Lion turtle was a very good concept but IMO I just felt it was a tad bit rushed. Kudos to the writers though in showing us the lion turtle plenty of times before the finale but still surprising us with how the lion turtle played its part in the finale.

    What about Koh. He wasnt even mentioned before the finale and every body loves him.
    Koh was mentioned in the first season, during The Seige of the North (2), in one of Aang's trips to the Spirit World. Aang had to meet Koh, actually, and keep his composure. It was quite interesting to watch.
    I dont think you understood my post. I meant his first appearence was in the Season 1 finale. Even though he had never been mention before the First Season Finale everybody loved it. Nobody called Koh a copout after season 1 ended.
    Edited on 08/04/2008 10:12pm
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    sportsdude206 wrote:


    Which brings me to my next disappointment - aang going into the avatar state. Come on bryke, literally moments from defeat, he hits a rock and opens his seventh chakra (which is located at the crown of the forehead) and then becomes unstoppable. I think the fight would have been better ended with toph earthbending ozai into an inescapable hold from behind as a surprise attack. Imo that is a much more realistic and just an all-around better ending.

    It was stated in The Awakening that Aang had a lot of energy twisted around the area of his wound, or some other way of wording it. When he hit that, the energy was released and he could access the Avatar state again. Bryke planned the whole entire series before the first season even aired. I don't think that they just quickly shoved the problem into the last episode. If they thought it was a good idea, than so do I.
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    DrAvatar wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    Chaospyro wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    WOULD PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT THE LION TURTLE WAS RANDOM?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thank you, just had to get that out of my system. The Lion turtle was featured in two episodes prior to the finale - The Library and Sokka's Master. In both of those episodes the beast was brought up specifically, commented on by name, and featured an image of the beast. In The Library, we even got to see that it was far bigger than a man. So the Lion Turtle was not just a randomly thrown in creation; Bryke were evidently planning this for some time. Add in that there was an image of the Lion Turtle (even if it wasn't named at that point) in the unaired pilot episode, and the Lion Turtle actually got a lot more forshadowing than Zuko reuniting with his mother did (which is why the former happened and the latter didn't).

    Thats true the lion turtle was foreshadowed a lot but the fact that I don't think anyone here picked up on that before the episode aired meant that people saw it as coming out of the blue. The Lion turtle was a very good concept but IMO I just felt it was a tad bit rushed. Kudos to the writers though in showing us the lion turtle plenty of times before the finale but still surprising us with how the lion turtle played its part in the finale.

    What about Koh. He wasnt even mentioned before the finale and every body loves him.
    Koh was mentioned in the first season, during The Seige of the North (2), in one of Aang's trips to the Spirit World. Aang had to meet Koh, actually, and keep his composure. It was quite interesting to watch.
    I dont think you understood my post. I meant his first appearence was in the Season 1 finale. Even though he had never been mention before the First Season Finale everybody loved it. Nobody called Koh a copout after season 1 ended.

    Ohhh. I was a little confused as to why you thought that was Koh's first appearance. I get it now
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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    isabelwhatx wrote:
    DrAvatar wrote:
    Chaospyro wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    WOULD PEOPLE PLEASE STOP SAYING THAT THE LION TURTLE WAS RANDOM?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Thank you, just had to get that out of my system. The Lion turtle was featured in two episodes prior to the finale - The Library and Sokka's Master. In both of those episodes the beast was brought up specifically, commented on by name, and featured an image of the beast. In The Library, we even got to see that it was far bigger than a man. So the Lion Turtle was not just a randomly thrown in creation; Bryke were evidently planning this for some time. Add in that there was an image of the Lion Turtle (even if it wasn't named at that point) in the unaired pilot episode, and the Lion Turtle actually got a lot more forshadowing than Zuko reuniting with his mother did (which is why the former happened and the latter didn't).

    Thats true the lion turtle was foreshadowed a lot but the fact that I don't think anyone here picked up on that before the episode aired meant that people saw it as coming out of the blue. The Lion turtle was a very good concept but IMO I just felt it was a tad bit rushed. Kudos to the writers though in showing us the lion turtle plenty of times before the finale but still surprising us with how the lion turtle played its part in the finale.

    What about Koh. He wasnt even mentioned before the finale and every body loves him.
    Koh was mentioned in the first season, during The Seige of the North (2), in one of Aang's trips to the Spirit World. Aang had to meet Koh, actually, and keep his composure. It was quite interesting to watch.
    I dont think you understood my post. I meant his first appearence was in the Season 1 finale. Even though he had never been mention before the First Season Finale everybody loved it. Nobody called Koh a copout after season 1 ended.
    Ohhh. I was a little confused as to why you thought that was Koh's first appearance. I get it now
    I'm not sure what I was thinking when I made that first post. Time for bed.
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    Lol. Have pleasent, Avatar-filled dreams!
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    Ah, the Avatar state. Now there's a topic that people who haunted the shipping threads are very familiar with.

    What a lot of people are forgetting is that Aang had already mastered the Avatar state. In CoD he unlocked the chakra, went into the Avatar State at will, and was only stopped from kicking some serious ass by Azula's timely lightning bolt. It was stated specifically in DoBS that the only thing stopping Aang from entering the Avatar state was the residue energy from the lightning that had enfused itself with the wound. All it required to unlock itself again was the right pressure applied in order to untangle the conflicting energies. There you go, simple.

    And don't even get me started on how Aang did not have to stop loving Katara after he had unlocked the chakra, because if you do you will regret it.

    Edited on 08/04/2008 10:33pm
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