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How Could Azula be reformed/ Azula's fate???

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    WMWConquerer

    [61]Oct 31, 2006
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    Herald_Galactus wrote:
    Here is some of my own speculation:

    1.
    It's going to be Iroh vs. Azula, and Azula cheats and wins. Then Zuko gets revenge and we have a bad ass firebender fight. Azula hs already seen Iroh deflect her lightning, and has trained for it, but without Irohs wisdom of keeping it away from her heart. Zuko takes the hit from Azula, returns it to her. She takes it, after studying Iroh, and mimics the move. But she sends it to her heart and she goes out of control, letting her own power consume her and burn her out.

    2. Why does Iroh take Azula directly? SERIOUS speculation.
    We've seen that in her youth Azula is cunning and evil and well-versed in manipulation.
    So.... we get a flashback to the past...

    she sends Lu Ten a return gift from the family, thanking him for Iroh's gift that they had received during "Zuko Alone". However, the gift is poisoned, and it weakens Lu Ten and he dies in combat. Azula knows how heartbroken Iroh would be from the loss. Azula schemes to have her father take Iroh's place as Firelord, and putting herself in position to become the ruler after her father dies.
    Somehow Iroh finally puts it together it was Azula behind his son's death, and they have it out.


    NICE SPEC. Unlikely but very nice. I believe that Azula is going to eliminate uncle one way or another.
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    WMWConquerer

    [62]Oct 31, 2006
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    Herald_Galactus wrote:
    That's why I think Azula's treachery and evil is worse than we have seen so far. And why it's important for the show to reamin about kids. No one would suspect a child of committing such evil. Azula was bright enough back then to understand that.


    Azula may be cold cruel and jealous, but we have yet to see some pure evil out of her. Evil would be something along the lines of murder or torture in cold blood against Mai or Ty lee her only real friends.
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    WMWConquerer

    [63]Oct 31, 2006
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    masterofaeons wrote:
    Sexist or not, I agree that often in the media women are always shown the error of thier ways, turn out to be fickle and waffle for the side of good easily. Look at Beatrix in FF9, Edea in FF8, ...all I have are Final Fantasy examples.

    I'd rather Azula go out on her own terms in a scary end. Like turning herself into a nuclear blast.


    Quite generalizing give me an example from mike and brian they are the two most anti-sexist creators I have seen, Still hoping for her to reconcile with her brother. I could not imagine what life would be like without my ciblings those two don't know what they are missing.
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    dumbTVnut

    [64]Oct 31, 2006
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    WMWConquerer wrote:
    masterofaeons wrote:
    Sexist or not, I agree that often in the media women are always shown the error of thier ways, turn out to be fickle and waffle for the side of good easily. Look at Beatrix in FF9, Edea in FF8, ...all I have are Final Fantasy examples.

    I'd rather Azula go out on her own terms in a scary end. Like turning herself into a nuclear blast.


    Quite generalizing give me an example from mike and brian they are the two most anti-sexist creators I have seen, Still hoping for her to reconcile with her brother. I could not imagine what life would be like without my ciblings those two don't know what they are missing.


    I will admit that avatar is the least sexist anime/anime-like-cartoon I have seen, not like Kim Possible or Totally Spies that for sure. But there is some sexism in the show, try counting how many old/fat/ugly women you see in the show and compare that to how many old/fat/ugly men you see in the show, for crying out loud one of the major characters is a jolly old fat guy (Iroh)!

    And would it kill you to edit posts, rather then make row after row of them?
    Edited on 10/31/2006 5:09am
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    WMWConquerer

    [65]Oct 31, 2006
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    Agreed Avatar needs an old woman as a main character, but there are plenty secoundary characters in there that old fat and female count um up.?? edit posts pardon my stupidity ia am a nublet at this site. explain please.
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    WMWConquerer

    [66]Oct 31, 2006
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    has everyone abandoned this furom. Am i truly alone
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    electricblue18

    [67]Oct 31, 2006
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    Yes
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    BrainMan820

    [69]Oct 31, 2006
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    I'd have to contest that there are sexist attitudes within the show. Compare the fights between male and female in the show, and how many times the females end up winning easily.

    Sokka vs. Suki (Suki sneaks up and easily wins. Sokka has to be humble and learn from her.)

    Katara vs. Jet (She pins Jet to the tree easily)

    Katara vs. Pakku (The two fight for a long time before he subdues her)

    Katara vs. Zuko (She defeats him twice, he only once)

    Azula vs. Zuko (She wins, he can't land a blow)

    Azula vs. Aang (All Aang can do is escape)

    Kyoshi vs. Chin (Defeats him with a flick of her wrist)

    Toph vs. Blind Bandit (She wins easily)

    Toph vs. Aang (He wins)

    Ty Lee vs. Sokka (She defeats him easily)

    Azula vs. Zuko (defeats him. Storyline also went out of the way to show him as careless and she as precise)

    Azula vs. Sokka/Katara/Toph/Zuko/Iroh/Aang - She injures Iroh and fends off five attacks at once.

    Azula vs. Aang (Long fight with his eventual victory only able by being assisted by Momo and the general at the wall)


    Because this is a comparisions between the sexes, I don't mention fights between two males or two females. I've also avoided filler "basic guard" characters; they are supposed to be significantly worse.

    So, when we add, we see 11 victories for the girls, 7 of which they win with minimal effort. For the guys, there are 3, with only one won easily. So yeah, there's a big deal about making the girls overpowered.
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    dumbTVnut

    [70]Oct 31, 2006
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    There something called pop-feminism: this is the implementation of strong powerful female characters, yet these characters are also vain and trendy. pop-feminism also implements dorkish-oaf male characters (sokka) that despite their pathetic qualities often manage to get the girl(s). Pop-feminism in its self is sexist: sexist against women by saying you can be strong/power but must be beautiful and fashionable as well. Avatar has some pop feminism themes and thus sexism, though not nearly as bad as other shows (Kim Possible, Totally Spies, etc)
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    BrainMan820

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    Why only mention one aspect of sexism? "Pop-feminism" would also be sexist against males by requiring them to be oafish to be attractive, and all the while inferior to females.??
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    dumbTVnut

    [72]Oct 31, 2006
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    BrainMan820 wrote:
    Why only mention one aspect of sexism? "Pop-feminism" would also be sexist against males by requiring them to be oafish to be attractive, and all the while inferior to females.




    No one cares about belittle men.

    I think its a crime against women to teach them to go for the goofs, I'm sorry to say that to most of us guys but its the truth.
    Edited on 10/31/2006 4:17pm
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    qweasdzse

    [73]Oct 31, 2006
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    Honestly I would love some sort of penance from Azula. But I'm not gonna bet on it.
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    Maylene

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    qweasdzse wrote:
    Honestly I would love some sort of penance from Azula. But I'm not gonna bet on it.


    I feel the same way. I like Azula, and it would be awesome if she joined the Avatar team--but I just can't see it. I can't see her dying either, though. It'd be mean, in my opinion, to kill of a family member of Zuko, even if she is crazy.
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    KilalaRose

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    BrainMan820 wrote:
    Toph vs. Blind Bandit (She wins easily)
    Um, Toph is the Blind Bandit
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    masterofaeons

    [76]Oct 31, 2006
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    I'd kill to see that fight! Or Toph vs a low doorway!
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    dumbTVnut

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    KilalaRose wrote:
    BrainMan820 wrote:
    Toph vs. Blind Bandit (She wins easily)
    Um, Toph is the Blind Bandit


    Behold sarcasm!
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    Mad_Scientist

    [78]Oct 31, 2006
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    I think the fact that we have people analyzing every single character and saying things like, "Oh, this woman is too weak.", "Oh, that one isn't but she's too ugly.", "Oops, they made this next one too pretty.", "They need more ugly guys", "Oops, too many guys that are buffoons", etc, etc, may not be an indication that the creators of Avatar or the show itself are/is somehow sexist; rather, I think they are an indication of the twisted lengths political correctness sometimes reaches.
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    DygitalNinja

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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    There something called pop-feminism: this is the implementation of strong powerful female characters, yet these characters are also vain and trendy. pop-feminism also implements dorkish-oaf male characters (sokka) that despite their pathetic qualities often manage to get the girl(s). Pop-feminism in its self is sexist: sexist against women by saying you can be strong/power but must be beautiful and fashionable as well. Avatar has some pop feminism themes and thus sexism, though not nearly as bad as other shows (Kim Possible, Totally Spies, etc)


    well at least Toph (thank GOD!!!) doesn't fit into this cliche
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    dumbTVnut

    [80]Oct 31, 2006
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    Mad_Scientist wrote:
    I think the fact that we have people analyzing every single character and saying things like, "Oh, this woman is too weak.", "Oh, that one isn't but she's too ugly.", "Oops, they made this next one too pretty.", "They need more ugly guys", "Oops, too many guys that are buffoons", etc, etc, may not be an indication that the creators of Avatar or the show itself are/is somehow sexist; rather, I think they are an indication of the twisted lengths political correctness sometimes reaches.


    What is wrong with having a few more ugly women... wait WHAT AM I SAYING!?!?

    DygitalNinja,
    Toph did go along with getting all doll up with that horrible makeup.
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