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Even with Sozin's Comet Ozai can hardly scratch Aang?

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    Baller_For_Life

    [1]Jul 23, 2008
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    Ok, ok I know how the Avatar state is basically the equivelant super saiyan in DBZ or something, and the power of the former Avatars only backs up its strength even more. But come on, with all the foreshadowing of the power Sozin's Comet is supposed to bring firebenders, don't you think it should have boosted Ozai enough to at least be a formidable match for the Avatar state? I mean Ozai was supposed to be the most powerful firebender in the world, and everyone was just trying to comprehend his true power beforehand even without the comet. But even with the comet, it doesn't even seem like Ozai "greatly" overpowers just the normal Aang without the Avatar state. I know many people here tend to be a bit over-biased and nearly everyone has described this battle as "epic", but if you guys would stop and just try to realize what I'm saying then you'll see that this fight didn't live up to its great potential. Don't get me wrong, I love Avatar and the finale was good, but I think they could've easily made Ozai and Aang's battle much more breathtaking, and if they had I'd have considered the finale great. Also I think Zuko and Azula's battle was Zuko's fight to win but that's just my opinion.
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    dark_aquatus

    [2]Jul 23, 2008
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    Look, if Aang would have had enough time to master all of the elements, he wouldn't have even needed the avatar state to defeat the firelord! Like Iroh said: the combination of the 4 elements is what makes the avatar so powerfull.

    This means that when he did get the powers from his previous lifes, the outcome was already set. It still took him a pretty long time to get Ozai, because the firelord had the extra boosting powers from the comet. But like I said, he was no match for the avatar state...
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    hkulka2974

    [3]Jul 23, 2008
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    Baller_For_Life wrote:
    Ok, ok I know how the Avatar state is basically the equivelant super saiyan in DBZ or something, and the power of the former Avatars only backs up its strength even more. But come on, with all the foreshadowing of the power Sozin's Comet is supposed to bring firebenders, don't you think it should have boosted Ozai enough to at least be a formidable match for the Avatar state? I mean Ozai was supposed to be the most powerful firebender in the world, and everyone was just trying to comprehend his true power beforehand even without the comet. But even with the comet, it doesn't even seem like Ozai "greatly" overpowers just the normal Aang without the Avatar state. I know many people here tend to be a bit over-biased and nearly everyone has described this battle as "epic", but if you guys would stop and just try to realize what I'm saying then you'll see that this fight didn't live up to its great potential. Don't get me wrong, I love Avatar and the finale was good, but I think they could've easily made Ozai and Aang's battle much more breathtaking, and if they had I'd have considered the finale great. Also I think Zuko and Azula's battle was Zuko's fight to win but that's just my opinion.

    You have to remember aang, in the AS is a master Fire Bender too as well as a master earthbender, airbender, and waterbender

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    Darth_Scarth

    [4]Jul 23, 2008
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    I think what he's trying to say is that he was hoping that Sozin's comet was Ozai's "Avatar State". Where he is already powerful and the comet had just made him even more powerful.
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    skye3001

    [5]Jul 23, 2008
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    I see what the OP is saying, though. He wanted a "fair-er" match. Even IF the avatar state was so much better than sozin's comet for Ozai, it would've been an even MORE epic battle if BOTH sides took hits at the SAME time. One in which the Fire Lord would have been equally matched for the Avatar State. It WAS kinda sad that the entire fight was a game of cat-and-mouse. If it wasn't Aang chasing the fire lord it was the fire lord chasing Aang. They should've duked it out like Azula and Zuko did for at least a short while, I agree, but you can't deny that the gatling gun earth bending was awesome. The bending of all 4 elements in a battle at the same time was something we've been waiting to see, and THAT'S why it delivered. Zuko SHOULD'VE won the fight with Azula. He should've beaten her into submission and turned his back before she decides to use lightning to take out Katara. At least this way it seems like he at least won SOMETHING before Katara steps in. Pretty minor details, IMO.
    Edited on 07/23/2008 4:18pm
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    Darth_Scarth

    [6]Jul 23, 2008
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    He technically did win. Seeing as he knocked Azula off her feet.
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    Pablo_808

    [7]Jul 23, 2008
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    Wouldn't Sozin's Comet give Aang a power boost too? He is a firebender. Aang pretty much had the Avatar State and Sozin's Comet at his disposal.
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    Darth_Scarth

    [8]Jul 23, 2008
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    Pablo_808 wrote:
    Wouldn't Sozin's Comet give Aang a power boost too? He is a firebender. Aang pretty much had the Avatar State and Sozin's Comet at his disposal.

    Aang isn't the greatest firebender in the world. Ozai had years of experience, while Aang had only a few weeks.
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    libraman_92

    [9]Jul 23, 2008
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    Darth_Scarth wrote:
    He technically did win. Seeing as he knocked Azula off her feet.


    yeah. he put azula in a weak position for katata and yes zuko in a way won.
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    dark_aquatus

    [10]Jul 23, 2008
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    Darth_Scarth wrote:
    He technically did win. Seeing as he knocked Azula off her feet.


    I agree, he did win. Also, Azula got herself disquallified because she started attacking an outsider. If the creators would've made the fight between Aang and Ozai more fair, it would've been kind off weird. Aang was a better firebender than Ozai was during the Avatar State (don't forget he had the knowledge and power of like 40 firebenders). And on yop of that he had the powers of extremely powerfull water/eart/airbenders. This means that Aang was about 4 times as strong.

    So no. If the fight would've been fair, it would've been major mistake from the creators.
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    Pablo_808

    [11]Jul 23, 2008
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    Darth_Scarth wrote:
    Pablo_808 wrote:
    Wouldn't Sozin's Comet give Aang a power boost too? He is a firebender. Aang pretty much had the Avatar State and Sozin's Comet at his disposal.
    Aang isn't the greatest firebender in the world. Ozai had years of experience, while Aang had only a few weeks.

    Yes, but as some people have said before, The Avatar State gives the Avatar full mastery over the four elements even though they're still a rookie at it.

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    american43

    [12]Jul 23, 2008
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    Darth_Scarth wrote:
    Pablo_808 wrote:
    Wouldn't Sozin's Comet give Aang a power boost too? He is a firebender. Aang pretty much had the Avatar State and Sozin's Comet at his disposal.

    Aang isn't the greatest firebender in the world. Ozai had years of experience, while Aang had only a few weeks.

    yeah well aang is the avatar so a couple of weeks of something that is not his elemental opposite it's like about 4 years of practice but still i half expected ozai to control the battle until aang went avatar state, and honored him by using only firebending. They would be equal and basically hold the same ground for a while and then aang would get agitated and destroy ozai, not take away his bending, this isn't x men 3. i mean actually killing him by cutting his head off with water sword, or swirling him in a hurricane suffocating him, or pushing rock straight through his stomach, now that would be epic and blocked on regular based television
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    MarryLarry

    [13]Jul 23, 2008
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    When Aang did his lamp trick, I was kind of hoping Ozai would say something cliche like, "Now things are getting interesting," and then attack...which he did for a while, then quickly switched to defensive attacks when he realised he was facing the equivalent of a 63 level dungeon master.

    I was satisfied with the fight, but like ALL fights of ANY movie/tv show/book, the action could have been kicked up a few more notches.

    See this it what almost always happens in every series finale: fans want MORE. It's natural. It just means you care.

    Edited on 07/23/2008 4:37pm
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    skye3001

    [14]Jul 23, 2008
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    I was kind of expecting Ozai to use magic to try and put a pencil through Aang's head when that happened to try and block his 6th chakra. (If you don't get the pencil/magic trick, don't try, lol )

    But you have to admit, the battle between Zuko and Azula had more head-on-head action than the one between the Fire Lord and Aang.

    Edited on 07/23/2008 4:45pm
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    Baller_For_Life

    [15]Jul 23, 2008
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    I see many people saying how the Avatar state gives you the power of all the past airbenders, fair enough. But as I remember, and I could be wrong, but Aang DOESN'T USE firebending against Ozai. At least that's what I remember. So technically Aang wasn't utilizing the power of Sozin's Comet, though it was at his disposal. Remember again that the power of the Avatar state is based almost entirely on speculation. Is it not possible that the Avatar state's power is proportional to that of Aang's? See, these are all questions that no one is sure of, and because of that the writers DID have the power to make this a fierce competetive battle between Avatar state Aang and Ozai. Someone said that it would've been a mistake if they made Ozai a match for the Avatar state. I totally disagree, this is the final and most promoted battle of the series, and it deserved to be more than hype. Unfortunately I think it failed to do so, and let's not forget we had no idea of Ozai's true power before the battle. That's also a factor.
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    skye3001

    [16]Jul 23, 2008
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    That's where you're wrong. Aang doesn't PRIMARILY use firebending against Ozai, but he does. And then when he goes to Avatar state he uses it again in those massive octopus legs of fire he whipped at him.
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    dark_aquatus

    [17]Jul 23, 2008
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    american43 wrote:
    Darth_Scarth wrote:
    Pablo_808 wrote:
    Wouldn't Sozin's Comet give Aang a power boost too? He is a firebender. Aang pretty much had the Avatar State and Sozin's Comet at his disposal.

    Aang isn't the greatest firebender in the world. Ozai had years of experience, while Aang had only a few weeks.

    yeah well aang is the avatar so a couple of weeks of something that is not his elemental opposite it's like about 4 years of practice but still i half expected ozai to control the battle until aang went avatar state, and honored him by using only firebending. They would be equal and basically hold the same ground for a while and then aang would get agitated and destroy ozai, not take away his bending, this isn't x men 3. i mean actually killing him by cutting his head off with water sword, or swirling him in a hurricane suffocating him, or pushing rock straight through his stomach, now that would be epic and blocked on regular based television


    When they'd do that, ATLA would stop to exist. The creators would never do that to a kid's show...
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    dark_aquatus

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    Baller_For_Life the creators have to be realistic (as far as that's possible in this show). They can't just make ONE man become a fierce competetive against the avatar in the avatar state (which means that all 4 elements plus a large amount of master benders back him up).
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    YuZKidd

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    You said yourself that it's like Super Saiyan...

    I think it's more like Ozai: SSJ2

    Aang: SSJ4
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    mark426

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    Darth_Scarth wrote:
    Pablo_808 wrote:
    Wouldn't Sozin's Comet give Aang a power boost too? He is a firebender. Aang pretty much had the Avatar State and Sozin's Comet at his disposal.

    Aang isn't the greatest firebender in the world. Ozai had years of experience, while Aang had only a few weeks.
    Yeah, but Aang knows the true way of Firebending, from what the dragons taught him. So, say Aang had the same amount of Firebending experience as Ozai. Ozai uses hate and rage and Aang uses energy. Aang would probably win. But, even though they don't have the same amount of experience, Aang has Sozin's Comet, original Firebending, and the Avatar State. That beats what Ozai had, Sozin's Comet and rage-fueled Firebending.
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