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    raienbrasa

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    mister001 wrote:
    If it was lightning wouldn't they both be shocked (ty lee and azula) since there is "lightning" it's just not guided yet.
    I was thinking, since her chi got blocked and she sent more there, backing it all up, her arm should've like exploded into fire or lightning or whatever she was planning on shooting. Cake?
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    Maria93

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    raienbrasa wrote:
    mister001 wrote:
    If it was lightning wouldn't they both be shocked (ty lee and azula) since there is "lightning" it's just not guided yet.
    I was thinking, since her chi got blocked and she sent more there, backing it all up, her arm should've like exploded into fire or lightning or whatever she was planning on shooting. Cake?

    the cake is a lie

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    wiseone_777

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    L0717 wrote:

    nah cant contain it

    hey blaster 913475190347852362457472 ********. you go to ****** ****, cause your wasting all our good earth's oxygen by not doing anything useful in your ********* life.

    Bad human! BAAADD HUMAN! By the way, if you want people to listen to you, spell things correctly, use proper punc., and don't call them...what you did. *sniff*
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    wiseone_777

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    Maria93 wrote:

    raienbrasa wrote:
    mister001 wrote:
    If it was lightning wouldn't they both be shocked (ty lee and azula) since there is "lightning" it's just not guided yet.
    I was thinking, since her chi got blocked and she sent more there, backing it all up, her arm should've like exploded into fire or lightning or whatever she was planning on shooting. Cake?

    the cake is a lie

    NO CAKE??? :O NOO!!!!
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    suss2it

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    wiseone_777 wrote:
    L0717 wrote:

    nah cant contain it

    hey blaster 913475190347852362457472 ********. you go to ****** ****, cause your wasting all our good earth's oxygen by not doing anything useful in your ********* life.

    Bad human! BAAADD HUMAN! By the way, if you want people to listen to you, spell things correctly, use proper punc., and don't call them...what you did. *sniff*
    Just ignore the trolls, it's easier for everyone.

    Come to think of it she could've been in her lightning stance but there was so movement to suggest that she was actually gunna do lightning. Mai angered Azula, lightning takes no emotion, and when you are very emotional you tend to send out bursts of flame instead of concentrating to make lightning.
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    wiseone_777

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    suss2it wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    L0717 wrote:

    nah cant contain it

    hey blaster 913475190347852362457472 ********. you go to ****** ****, cause your wasting all our good earth's oxygen by not doing anything useful in your ********* life.

    Bad human! BAAADD HUMAN! By the way, if you want people to listen to you, spell things correctly, use proper punc., and don't call them...what you did. *sniff*
    Just ignore the trolls, it's easier for everyone.

    Come to think of it she could've been in her lightning stance but there was so movement to suggest that she was actually gunna do lightning. Mai angered Azula, lightning takes no emotion, and when you are very emotional you tend to send out bursts of flame instead of concentrating to make lightning.
    I don't think it was lightning, but was going to be blue fire.
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    xRamensx

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    suss2it wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    L0717 wrote:

    nah cant contain it

    hey blaster 913475190347852362457472 ********. you go to ****** ****, cause your wasting all our good earth's oxygen by not doing anything useful in your ********* life.

    Bad human! BAAADD HUMAN! By the way, if you want people to listen to you, spell things correctly, use proper punc., and don't call them...what you did. *sniff*
    Just ignore the trolls, it's easier for everyone. Come to think of it she could've been in her lightning stance but there was so movement to suggest that she was actually gunna do lightning. Mai angered Azula, lightning takes no emotion, and when you are very emotional you tend to send out bursts of flame instead of concentrating to make lightning.

    Azula probably was going to use lightning out of instinct, and forgot that if she gets emotional, she won't be able to use it. Ty Lee saw her stance, and also acted instinctively, immediately protected Mai. I don't think Azula was used to these sort of situations, so she was thinking clearly and was ready to even attack her own friend.

    Sorry, I'm in a very analytical mood. Especially when referring to Azula. Seriously, I have like ten paragraphs of Azula analysis on CAPLOCK.

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    wiseone_777

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    xRamensx wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    L0717 wrote:

    nah cant contain it

    hey blaster 913475190347852362457472 ********. you go to ****** ****, cause your wasting all our good earth's oxygen by not doing anything useful in your ********* life.

    Bad human! BAAADD HUMAN! By the way, if you want people to listen to you, spell things correctly, use proper punc., and don't call them...what you did. *sniff*
    Just ignore the trolls, it's easier for everyone. Come to think of it she could've been in her lightning stance but there was so movement to suggest that she was actually gunna do lightning. Mai angered Azula, lightning takes no emotion, and when you are very emotional you tend to send out bursts of flame instead of concentrating to make lightning.

    Azula probably was going to use lightning out of instinct, and forgot that if she gets emotional, she won't be able to use it. Ty Lee saw her stance, and also acted instinctively, immediately protected Mai. I don't think Azula was used to these sort of situations, so she was thinking clearly and was ready to even attack her own friend.

    Sorry, I'm in a very analytical mood. Especially when referring to Azula. Seriously, I have like ten paragraphs of Azula analysis on CAPLOCK.

    LOL! Where?
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    xRamensx

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    wiseone_777 wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    wiseone_777 wrote:
    L0717 wrote:

    nah cant contain it

    hey blaster 913475190347852362457472 ********. you go to ****** ****, cause your wasting all our good earth's oxygen by not doing anything useful in your ********* life.

    Bad human! BAAADD HUMAN! By the way, if you want people to listen to you, spell things correctly, use proper punc., and don't call them...what you did. *sniff*
    Just ignore the trolls, it's easier for everyone. Come to think of it she could've been in her lightning stance but there was so movement to suggest that she was actually gunna do lightning. Mai angered Azula, lightning takes no emotion, and when you are very emotional you tend to send out bursts of flame instead of concentrating to make lightning.

    Azula probably was going to use lightning out of instinct, and forgot that if she gets emotional, she won't be able to use it. Ty Lee saw her stance, and also acted instinctively, immediately protected Mai. I don't think Azula was used to these sort of situations, so she was thinking clearly and was ready to even attack her own friend.

    Sorry, I'm in a very analytical mood. Especially when referring to Azula. Seriously, I have like ten paragraphs of Azula analysis on CAPLOCK.

    LOL! Where?

    I mean CAPSLOCK. CAPSLOCK: ATLA on LiveJournal. Have you been there before?

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    Spacerac

    [630]May 1, 2008
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    Man all I can say is the action in this episode owned. Now as for Toph and Katara not having been brought along, remember, Sokka said he wanted to do the mission alone. (was probably already said). But DAMN. The ACTION. Suki vs Ty Lee and Sokka almost cut Azula?! I mean WOW.
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    Spacerac

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    tomtitan wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    picaboomman wrote:
    how is appa gonna carry 11 humans and one lemur...i remembr the good old days when it was just katara, aang, and sokka.
    They kinda have a giant war balloon. lol

    Guys, Azula's not going to break just because her friends betrayed her like that. Obviously, it'll have something to do with it, but what really hurt her and ticked her off was what Mai said.

    "You miscalculated."

    People, Azula doesn't do that. She's perfect. She doesn't make mistakes. To have it thrown in her face, when deep down, she knows it's the truth, had to hurt. That's why she immediately lashed out and blamed MAI for not fearing her enough. Which also points out that people don't all fear her.

    She's gonna break when she realizes she's not a deity, but a mortal.
    Wait, rewind, she's not a deity? My bad.
    lolinorite?
    rite!
    very right.
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    wiseone_777

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    Spacerac wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    picaboomman wrote:
    how is appa gonna carry 11 humans and one lemur...i remembr the good old days when it was just katara, aang, and sokka.
    They kinda have a giant war balloon. lol

    Guys, Azula's not going to break just because her friends betrayed her like that. Obviously, it'll have something to do with it, but what really hurt her and ticked her off was what Mai said.

    "You miscalculated."

    People, Azula doesn't do that. She's perfect. She doesn't make mistakes. To have it thrown in her face, when deep down, she knows it's the truth, had to hurt. That's why she immediately lashed out and blamed MAI for not fearing her enough. Which also points out that people don't all fear her.

    She's gonna break when she realizes she's not a deity, but a mortal.
    Wait, rewind, she's not a deity? My bad.
    lolinorite?
    rite!
    very right.
    *stops bowing to Azula* WHAT? YOU LIED TO ME!!!!! EL GASP!!!!!!!!!!!! NO MORE SNUGGLING WITH YOU!!!!! *looks around and realize everyone is there*.............What? I'm attracted to her!
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    xRamensx

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    wiseone_777 wrote:
    Spacerac wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    raienbrasa wrote:
    picaboomman wrote:
    how is appa gonna carry 11 humans and one lemur...i remembr the good old days when it was just katara, aang, and sokka.
    They kinda have a giant war balloon. lol Guys, Azula's not going to break just because her friends betrayed her like that. Obviously, it'll have something to do with it, but what really hurt her and ticked her off was what Mai said. "You miscalculated." People, Azula doesn't do that. She's perfect. She doesn't make mistakes. To have it thrown in her face, when deep down, she knows it's the truth, had to hurt. That's why she immediately lashed out and blamed MAI for not fearing her enough. Which also points out that people don't all fear her. She's gonna break when she realizes she's not a deity, but a mortal.
    Wait, rewind, she's not a deity? My bad.
    lolinorite?
    rite!
    very right.
    *stops bowing to Azula* WHAT? YOU LIED TO ME!!!!! EL GASP!!!!!!!!!!!! NO MORE SNUGGLING WITH YOU!!!!! *looks around and realize everyone is there*.............What? I'm attracted to her!

    Who isn't? Seriously, I want to find the person who wouldn't do her.

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    KimmyleChat

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    Okay, I only saw the first segment of 314... the rest of the segments were removed from the site. *sigh* I still haven't seen 312 or 313, either.

    I've read spoilers. I've seen clips. I want to see whole episodes, in full screen glory! Any ideas on when this might happen in the US? Nick isn't very forthcoming with this information and I don't trust the July dates since DVD's are due to be released!

    I'm kinda freakin' about how Zuko and Sakka get out of that volcanic situation!

    Edited on 05/01/2008 3:11pm
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    xRamensx

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    KimmyleChat wrote:

    Okay, I only saw the first segment of 314... the rest of the segments were removed from the site. *sigh* I still haven't seen 312 or 313, either.

    I've read spoilers. I've seen clips. I want to see whole episodes, in full screen glory! Any ideas on when this might happen in the US? Nick isn't very forthcoming with this information and I don't trust the July dates since DVD's are due to be released!

    I'm kinda freakin' about how Zuko and Sakka get out of that volcanic situation!

    I think it's still July. Dickelodeon is using this as a marketing strategy to see just how dedicated Avatards are.

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    Archon30

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    Ehhh...

    It could've been grand. It could've been a thing of beauty, a turn for the better, a proverbial revolution in quality. It could've been all those things, what with the waiting, and the hype, and the creative potential which created the first 16 episodes of season 2. It could've farted in my faces while eating a purple banana, and I would've liked it better 'cause it would have been unexpected. It could've been original. It could've been good.

    But it wasn't. Boiling Rock is average, run of the mill, a plain, white egg in an Easter basket. I could go on all day listing the things which went horribly, horribly wrong...so I will!

    1) The wait - When will they learn...waiting only makes for more fanfictions, for more people giving original ideas and generaly expecting something (gasp!) worth the wait! The Boiling Rock was short, dumb and predictable, yet we had to wait longer for this kind of s**t-nugget than, let's say, "The Blind Bandit". It's like waiting forever for your steak dinner in an expensive restaurant, only to find out that the waiter wiped his arse with it first!

    2) The characters - Uh-uh, you heard me. For over four episodes now, everybody has been acting like they're on some wierd, persona-altering drug. Katara is a ticking PMS bomb, Toph is no-longer-in-this-show, Sokka is now painful to listen to, Aang has become the substitute comic relief and Zuko is the avatar of eye-rolling sissiness! Not to mention the band wagon of totally marginal characters, like the Duke, or that big, prison guy who serve no purpose! They are bench warmers, like the sissy kids in your high-school baseball team who never get to play because their little girley arms can't hold the bat straight! Also, where did the chemistry go? Katara and Aang? Nothing. Sokka and Toph? Zilch! Appa and Momo? Nadda!

    3) Flow/Common Sense - This is where the s**t hits the fan with perfect accuracy and spread. The entire episode seems to have been made by 20 different trained chimps, each isolated in an underground cell and forced to work on chinese typewriters. Tell me, oh great M&B, how does this make any sense: the Rock is the most heavily guarded place in the Fire Nation, right? Then how is it possible that a baloon can glide in and crash on the island without anyone noticing? Why is it staffed by pasty, chess-club rejects who can't fight their way out of an arm-lock? Why is there an obvious blind spot in its' defences? Why is the ice box considered a punishment? I know that the prisoners are mostly Fire Nation, but the air must be at least 50 degrees Centigrade in there! Hell, I would stash a bottle of vodka in every ice box, and firebend with my buddies every other night! But the three worst crimes against continuity are:

    a) The SMART part of the group seem tottaly unfased by the fact that two members of their group left on clearly false pretenses. b) Sokka and Zuko say how the prison is a veritable fortress and they need to find some way to enter without being noticed. One scene transition later, we see them, in uniform, smack down in the middle of the barracks! WTF? c) Suki. I need say no more. Go and read a fanfiction already, will you? At least some of them make me care about these characters anymore.

    4) Action - and we come to the final, most painful nail. The action scenes were so boring, that I actually fast forwarded through half of them. Azula, the most powerful firebender in the world can't beat Zuko and Sokka. Ty Lee and Suki do...things. I don't know. And we had to wait for 45 minutes for this! That is, if you don't count the 3 months we waited for the episodes themselves! Sloppy, M&B, very sloppy.

    I will give credit where it's due, though. While Mai's betrayal was expected, Ty Lee's wasn't. Plus, she gave Azula a good slap or two! There, I enjoyed the Boiling rock for one whole minute.

    So there, Tomtitan! Avatar hasn't gone back to the straight and narrow with the "Boiling Rock"! Instead, it went Dexter's Laboratory, Season 2 on my backside! As a disgusted and betrayed fan, who never called himself a fan of ANYTHING, EVER until Avatar, I'm calling it quits!

    Suck it, Mike & Brian! You sold your souls to the demons of mediocrity! I hope the feeling of w***ing off all over me was worth the 54 tons of money you got, you pricks!

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    Spike815

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    I see lots of colorful metaphors and not much thought behind these complaints.

    2. A new character? OMG how dare a show introduce a new character! We should stay with only characters from the first episode, new people can only possibly weigh the show down.

    Katara's angry? Since when? Because she definitely wasn't yelling at Sokka during the very first episode...

    The characters you don't like don't have any lines and are on screen for half a second? How terrible. And a plotline focusing on a one part of a group OUTRAGOUS!

    3. I'm sure the prison just has guards looking out into the mist day and night for anyone swimming across the boiling lake.

    Since when have faceless guards EVER been good fighters? If you haven't noticed the stormtrooper effect by now you must be blind. And if it's that big a deal it looks like you'll hate most shows and movies.

    And the ice box, I'm not even sure how you can say freezing someone isn't a good punishment. Especially when your prisoner can shoot fire out of his hands.

    a. Oh of course the lie is so obvious! OMG Sokka and Zuko would never go fishing! Sokka would never want fresh meat! They must have flown off into a fire nation prison!

    b. I'm sure the guards are just constantly on guard for people trying to break INTO the prison.

    c. If you don't care about a character kicking ass that's your loss.

    4. Between the Suki's spiderman stunts, the entire gondola fight, Mai saving them, and Azula being betrayed I'm not sure how much more action you could fit into an episode. But I guess you'd rather see giant explosions!

    And good riddance. If you don't like the characters, action, or plot I'm not sure why you were ever a fan. Not every episode is going to be super-epic-action-packed with a dramatic twist at the end. The past episodes haven't been like that, and holding new episodes to unrealistic standards is going to end exactly like this.
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    Amity_Phantom

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    Archon30: I disagree, mostly.
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    kkg14

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    Spike815 wrote:
    I see lots of colorful metaphors and not much thought behind these complaints.

    2. A new character? OMG how dare a show introduce a new character! We should stay with only characters from the first episode, new people can only possibly weigh the show down.

    Katara's angry? Since when? Because she definitely wasn't yelling at Sokka during the very first episode...

    The characters you don't like don't have any lines and are on screen for half a second? How terrible. And a plotline focusing on a one part of a group OUTRAGOUS!

    3. I'm sure the prison just has guards looking out into the mist day and night for anyone swimming across the boiling lake.

    Since when have faceless guards EVER been good fighters? If you haven't noticed the stormtrooper effect by now you must be blind. And if it's that big a deal it looks like you'll hate most shows and movies.

    And the ice box, I'm not even sure how you can say freezing someone isn't a good punishment. Especially when your prisoner can shoot fire out of his hands.

    a. Oh of course the lie is so obvious! OMG Sokka and Zuko would never go fishing! Sokka would never want fresh meat! They must have flown off into a fire nation prison!

    b. I'm sure the guards are just constantly on guard for people trying to break INTO the prison.

    c. If you don't care about a character kicking ass that's your loss.

    4. Between the Suki's spiderman stunts, the entire gondola fight, Mai saving them, and Azula being betrayed I'm not sure how much more action you could fit into an episode. But I guess you'd rather see giant explosions!

    And good riddance. If you don't like the characters, action, or plot I'm not sure why you were ever a fan. Not every episode is going to be super-epic-action-packed with a dramatic twist at the end. The past episodes haven't been like that, and holding new episodes to unrealistic standards is going to end exactly like this.


    Win and QFT. Seriously, how much more action could there possibly be in these episodes? Sokka and Zuko were infiltrating a maximum security prison. They had to stay undercover (or in Zuko's case, try.) And as for the gondola fight, there were two fights happening in a very small space. Its not like anyone could breakout super powerful moves. Don't even get me started on the amount of win Suki accomplished. But hey, everyone is entilted to their opinion.
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    raienbrasa

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    Archon, you misspelled Bryan, so I'm ostracizing you.
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