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Who is the better camper?

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    NejiShikamaru

    [41]Jul 9, 2009
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    The thing is, we don't know what Chef's musical tastes are. Trent played guitar, not a violin. Chef is an ex-military man, he may find the violin soothing, or he may hate it with a passion. Considering Chef was the judge, he very easily may have given it a good or bad score. Since he didn't get to, he had to grade Harold's beatboxing, which he obviously enjoyed.

    As for the cooking challenge, Chris was shown enjoying the dish, yet they forgot to give it a score...I think it was done to keep the score close, since a 15-2 score would mean the dessert would be worthless. By giving them a score of 9 to add, it stays close. 15-11 is still close while had Harold's dish been score like Beth's apparently was, a 7,8, or 9 that Chris appears to have likely given the antipasto would still make it 22-11, impossible for the Gophers to score well...unless Chris were to really enjoy the dessert and give it the 15/10...but still the 6 from the custard would make the final 28-26 with a 15/10, still in favor of the Bass. Plus, Chris didn't like the dessert anyway, so it wouldn't matter.

    I think the writers saw that grading Harold's dish would make it too hard for the Gophers, who were seen struggling, even come close. If they wanted to keep it close, they should have said that the antipasto and pasta were combined to a 15, or just had Chris say he didn't like it, or just rate it low, rate the pasta lower to add the antipasto in, etc...it was either a major goof or a mini-plan to ensure that the challenge would remain close. Either way, Chris was shown to have liked the antipasto well more than the dessert, while it can only be speculated if Chef would have like Courtney's violining.
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    imverybasic

    [42]Jul 9, 2009
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    Yep. All true about the cooking challenge.

    Also the fact that Chris neglected to mention Harold's act in the recap is also something to wonder about. Maybe Chef should have hosted the episode saying the Courtney was the best prospect since he judged all of the acts. I've been thinking that if he were to rate Courtney's violin playing, I'm sure that Courtney would have gotten a high score, but probably not a perfect score considering that everybody including the Gophers were impressed by Harold's beatboxing.

    Edited on 07/09/2009 1:14pm
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    CrystalCoconut

    [43]Jul 9, 2009
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    NejiShikamaru wrote:
    I love how you keep saying we make stuff up...the Gophers never actually looked for the Bass. The only hunter who looked around was Owen, and he stunk at that anyway. Beth got close, but Heather was always around her, so she never really helped. Lindsay and LeShawna never looked around. Owen was busy with DJ, then got knocked off of a cliff and hid in a tree. How does Courtney get credit for hiding when THEY BARELY LOOKED FOR ANYONE? There was almost ZERO effort on the Gophers team, only Owen tried, and he was busy with other things. At least Harold did his job, Courtney was never seen until the end, where she was following and berating Duncan. They never hunted for her, so claiming she "hid" from them when they never even BOTHERED to look for her is a bunch of crap. She could have just stood there shouting at them and they wouldn't have cared, they were more concerned with shooting each other. Then Harold, Bridgette, and Geoff all came out and shot them. At least Harold did something productive.


    Harold did his job And Courtney did it to
    Just for Courtney it was a piece of cake.
    How Hard was it for Harold to shot the Gophers when they were are fighting?
    Easy
    It was very easy for Courtney and Harold to their jobs and they both did it
    And Harold wins because?
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    imverybasic

    [44]Jul 9, 2009
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    Because the Gophers also didn't bother to do their job. Heather waited for Lindsay and Beth to protect her and other than Owen and maybe Leshawna, no one else did their job. Courtney also didn't hide and therefore she ended up to be safe. At least The Killer Bass tried to do their job. The fact that the Gophers barely tried doesn't really put Harold or the others at fault. Owen could have tried to go after Courtney, but decided to go after DJ and Duncan.
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    DeathVelvien

    [45]Jul 9, 2009
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    1: Harold jumped, Courtney didn't. Harold 1-0

    2: Courtney outlasted Harold: Tie 1-1

    3: Harold got the last man (Owen) out, Courtney woke up Duncan and convinced him to help. However, she also kept Harold out of the game the entire time, yet Tyler (who was just as bad as Harold) was allowed to stay. Harold displayed that he was actually capable of dodging (I only mention this because it seemed like no one else could) and he caught a throw strong enough to send him all the against the wall. In short, he couldn't throw a ball to save his life, but he could do two other things (dodge and catch) quite well. Harold (barely) 2-1

    4: Just because Chris thought Courtney was the best prospect doesn't mean that Chef (the judge) agreed. Harold scored a perfect 10 and won the contest for the Bass. As if that wasn't enough to give the contest to Harold, Courtney also didn't allow him to even audition. Harold 3-1

    5: Neither did anything of note; still 3-1

    6: Both failed technically failed their challenges; Courtney did manage to get Duncan and DJ to do theirs, but her jump would have given the Bass the win. Personally, I don't know what Chris was looking for in Harold's: he confronted the ninjas with nunchucks. In my books, that's a pass, regardless of knocking himself out. Still 3-1.

    7: Harold really blew it for his team: 3-2

    8: Courtney didn't get shot, because only Owen was actively hunting; Harold shot heather, because she was too busy fighting with her team. Tie, still 3-2

    9: Chris clearly enjoyed Harold's dish, while he thought Courtney's was "meh". The lack of a score was probably just to keep things close. Harold 4-2

    10: Harold completed his challenge, while Courtney failed. However, since Sadie was the shooter, it can hardly be considered Courtney's fault. Tie, still 4-2

    11: Courtney outlasted Harold; Harold wins, 4-3

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    NejiShikamaru

    [46]Jul 9, 2009
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    Agree 100% there. Great points given as well.
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    CrystalCoconut

    [47]Jul 9, 2009
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    One point not a "landslide" like some of you have been saying.

    I just dont get this.
    Harold wins in episode 10.
    He however got no score.
    " The lack of a score was probably just to keep things close"
    Yeh RIGHT
    21 to 12
    It was probably an error in the writing
    But I agree with you if Harold's was scored it WOULD have gotten a better score then Courtney
    And therefore its a win?

    If that is the case then "Not Quite Famous" SHOULD be a tie.
    As Chris said Courtney was the "best prospect on the team" in the Episode 6 recap. Not to mention episode 6 was written by one of the makers of the show.
    Of course Harold is included in that.
    So that just shows that Chris admit's that Courtney was better then Harold.
    Although Chris wasn't the judge Chef was.
    Chef was shown to strongly like music like that (the harp)
    And when Chris said "best prospect" to Courtney maybe Chris knew that Chef really liked the violen. And that's why Chris said she was the best prospect.
    I think Courtney would have gotten a perfect score just like Harold.
    That's debateable. (I spplt that wrong)
    But she probably would have.
    So if Harold wins in episode 10 then it's fair for it to be a tie in Episode 5.

    Yes I know Harold was out in the cooking challenge cuz a writting error.
    And Courtney was out cuz her voiled died.
    But does it really matter WHY they got it?
    Becuase now ppl get credit if they lose something even though it's not there fault!

    Ok wait a sec.
    Now that you guys are giving credit to ppl for doing bad in challenges when it's not their fault then I guess we have to give another tie!

    In Episode 11 The Trust Challenge.
    Courtney was in one thing in the trust challenge and her little team with Saide lost.
    It was however NOT Courtney fault.
    We dont know if Courtney would have gotten the apples of Sadie's head.
    And we never will.
    She never got a chance.
    And if ppl get credit for not having a chance then it's a tie here to.
    I know ppl might find this unfair.
    But I see no difference with it and Episode 10.
    Do you see a difference?
    Cuz I dont

    Episode 9.
    Courtney's isnt seen until the very end and she just has a small moment with Duncan.

    She didn't get shot which is exactly what she was supposed to do.
    Most of you say
    "Owen NEVER FOUND HER! SHE DIDNT HAVE TO DO A THING IT WAS TO EASY FOR HER!!!!!!!"
    Yes Owen never found her
    Cuz she obviously never went where Owen was going.
    Therefore she hid from him which was exactly what she supposed to do.
    Now hiding from Owen was easy.
    So for Courtney she had a very easy time.
    And she still got a perfect score for the deer.
    Harold ALSO had a very easy time.
    How hard was it for Harold/Bridgette/Geoff to shoot the Gophers when they were fighting like that?
    Pretty easy.
    And if Harold never did shoot Bridgette and Geoff alone couldnt have shot just as many Gophers.
    So Harold didnt "single handedly" win it for the Bass and neither then Courtney.
    How is it a win for Harold here?
    I say its another tie.
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    DC-Dude

    [48]Jul 9, 2009
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    Courtney's score is on the left.

    Here are my reasons.

    Courtney plays an instrument, Harold uses his mouth. 1-0.

    Harold jumped off the cliff in the first episode, Courtney didn't. 1-1.

    Courtney and Duncan's relationship is obviously the best. 2-1.

    Harold ACTUALLY made it (without suing) into TDA. 2-2.

    Harold lasted longer than Courtney in TDI. 2-3.

    Courtney WAS A CIT! 3-3.

    Harold cheated while Courtney played fairly most of the time. 4-3.

    Courtney wins.

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    Brodoin15

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    There is no evidence to prove that Courtney would get the same score as Harold in the talent show challenge.

    Therefore it cannot be placed as a tie.

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    CrystalCoconut

    [50]Jul 9, 2009
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    Brodoin15 wrote:

    There is no evidence to prove that Courtney would get the same score as Harold in the talent show challenge.

    Therefore it cannot be placed as a tie.



    You did not read my post?
    "Best prospect Courtney"
    -Chris
    Episode 6 recap.
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    NejiShikamaru

    [51]Jul 9, 2009
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    DC-Dude wrote:

    Courtney's score is on the left.

    Here are my reasons.

    Courtney plays an instrument, Harold uses his mouth. 1-0.

    Harold jumped off the cliff in the first episode, Courtney didn't. 1-1.

    Courtney and Duncan's relationship is obviously the best. 2-1.

    Harold ACTUALLY made it (without suing) into TDA. 2-2.

    Harold lasted longer than Courtney in TDI. 2-3.

    Courtney WAS A CIT! 3-3.

    Harold cheated while Courtney played fairly most of the time. 4-3.

    Courtney wins.



    Seriously? A CIT gives her a point? Harold has the most badges of all of the campers, he's been to film camp, why isn't that worth a point? He's got a bunch of badges for being a scout.
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    NejiShikamaru

    [52]Jul 9, 2009
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    :
    You did not read my post?
    "Best prospect Courtney"
    -Chris
    Episode 6 recap.


    Is Chris Chef? Was Chris the judge of the Talent Contest? Do Chris and Chef have the same tastes in music? Chris could think that Courtney was the best prospect, while Chef could think she sucks. Who's to say he wasn't just trying to make her feel better, as you said he does with Harold's dish. Apparently Chris wanted to make Harold feel better, so who's to say he's not just trying to make Courtney feel important? But, apparently Courtney doesn't need that since she is a better camper than Harold...or is she? The vicious, willing to kill Courtney v.s. Little Harold who cheats once and gets berated. He cheats to vote out Courtney, yes. Courtney tries to kill several people and tries to leave them behind when she acts like a leader...last I checked, leaders never leave a man or woman behind.

    You can argue that Courtney would have done well in the talent contest, but you don't know that Chef would have agreed. It was shown that Chris liked Harold's dish, so saying that he didn't get a score meaning he gets a 0 is a load of crock. He gave it a great review, one better than Courtney's.
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    NejiShikamaru

    [53]Jul 9, 2009
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    Since you like to assume things, here's some questions:

    How would Courtney have done in the sand castle building contest on TDA? She wasn't there, but she's a great camper and a leader, so why couldn't she build one?

    Harold used buttresses to build a magnificent sandcastle. The only problem was that seagulls knocked it down. Would Chef have liked it? We won't know since it got destroyed, but you like to assume, so apparently if Courtney didn't make it, it's a 0 since it didn't get a score...

    How about the surfing challenge? Harold was almost eaten by a shark and barely made it through it. How would Courtney have done? Would she have beat out Harold, even Duncan? Apparently, since you guys say she's a better camper than Harold.

    You keep making assumptions, Chris said she was their best prospect, WAS. How do you know that Chris didn't mean that Courtney was great, but Harold's beatboxing was even better? He never states it, but hey, you like to assume.

    If you are going to try to say that we are assuming Chris would rank Harold's dish better and that it's only an assumption, I'll stop you right there. He showed a clear liking of the dish, he gave it a thumbs up, they played happy success music, he smiled, and said it passed. Compare that to the reaction for Courtney's dessert, a frown and an "Ehhh..." I can clearly see the difference in scoring here, he just never gives a numerical value for Harold.

    But hey, apparently Courtney must win because of that, despite that stellar review from Chris compared to Courtney's.

    At least Harold contributes more and tries, he's won challenges and tried his best in all of them. Yes, he's messed up, but Courtney has messed up way more. Not jumping, complaining about everything, leaving teammates behind, trying to KILL other campers, and just plain sucking in challenges. Harold isn't the best at everything, but he gives his best, and succeeds more than he fails, unlike Courtney who just plain fails.

    I will say that Courtney isn't the worst, but she is nowhere near Harold's abilities. I'd rather have Harold on my team than Courtney, he's shown to be quite intellectual and can make things from nature.

    Here's a good question:

    Why does Courtney give the bank loot to Duncan's team and not the Grips? Because she wants Duncan to succeed if she can't. Granted she didn't know she would be on the other team, but hey, guaranteed she would have changed her mind instantly to be on Duncan's team if she knew what would have happened. She doesn't care about anyone else but herself, she saw that Duncan was on the Gaffers, and wanted him to win, not even caring about the other team. How is that a respectable player? How does that show leadership qualities? She wanted Duncan to win, so she gave him the loot and not the Grips. She was biased in her decision. She even shows how she would have preferred to be with Duncan and his team.
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    CrystalCoconut

    [54]Jul 9, 2009
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    NejiShikamaru wrote:
    :
    You did not read my post?
    "Best prospect Courtney"
    -Chris
    Episode 6 recap.


    Is Chris Chef? Was Chris the judge of the Talent Contest? Do Chris and Chef have the same tastes in music? Chris could think that Courtney was the best prospect, while Chef could think she sucks. Who's to say he wasn't just trying to make her feel better, as you said he does with Harold's dish. Apparently Chris wanted to make Harold feel better, so who's to say he's not just trying to make Courtney feel important? But, apparently Courtney doesn't need that since she is a better camper than Harold...or is she? The vicious, willing to kill Courtney v.s. Little Harold who cheats once and gets berated. He cheats to vote out Courtney, yes. Courtney tries to kill several people and tries to leave them behind when she acts like a leader...last I checked, leaders never leave a man or woman behind.

    You can argue that Courtney would have done well in the talent contest, but you don't know that Chef would have agreed. It was shown that Chris liked Harold's dish, so saying that he didn't get a score meaning he gets a 0 is a load of crock. He gave it a great review, one better than Courtney's.


    Calm down its a CARTOON.
    Low budget, flash animation, canadian cartoon.
    Have you ever thought that Chris might KNOW that Chef likes violen music and therefore said it would be a good prospect?
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    CrystalCoconut

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    "Who's to say he wasn't just trying to make her feel better"
    Cuz Chris isn't talking to Courtney he's talking to the audience
    Courtney would have probably never heard that
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    NejiShikamaru

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    Harold wasn't there when he was grading the antipasto, therefore he never heard what Chris said about his dish. So saying Chris was just trying to up Harold's spirit has the same problem that you say his comment about Courtney has...they never would have heard it.

    And yes, I do know that it is a cartoon, which is why I'm so aggravated that you continue to deny the evidence we've provided...not because of the show itself, but because you don't want to listen to the evidence...
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    stalemate666

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    NejiShikamaru wrote:
    I love how you keep saying we make stuff up...the Gophers never actually looked for the Bass. The only hunter who looked around was Owen, and he stunk at that anyway. Beth got close, but Heather was always around her, so she never really helped. Lindsay and LeShawna never looked around. Owen was busy with DJ, then got knocked off of a cliff and hid in a tree. How does Courtney get credit for hiding when THEY BARELY LOOKED FOR ANYONE? There was almost ZERO effort on the Gophers team, only Owen tried, and he was busy with other things. At least Harold did his job, Courtney was never seen until the end, where she was following and berating Duncan. They never hunted for her, so claiming she "hid" from them when they never even BOTHERED to look for her is a bunch of crap. She could have just stood there shouting at them and they wouldn't have cared, they were more concerned with shooting each other. Then Harold, Bridgette, and Geoff all came out and shot them. At least Harold did something productive.

    And Harold just followed Bridgette and Geoff how can you give him a point for just following (see what I did there) it's a tie dude, you can't penalize Courtney for the other team not looking for her, and you can't give Harold extra points for only (maybe, Bridgette was there too) shotting 1 deer it's a tie, we're giving Courtney a point because she got a point in challenge (or didn't let the other team get one, however you want to look at it) it's a tie you might want to give Harold the edge, but if you do your bios because they both got the same score (if Harold shot 3 deers single handedly it would be different but he didn't he shot 1 with help)
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    CrystalCoconut

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    Oh my a lot of questions
    I think I can answer them! Here I go!

    How would Courtney have done in the sand castle building contest on TDA? She wasn't there, but she's a great camper and a leader, so why couldn't she build one?
    IDK how she would have done!
    I'm no Canadian writter and there was evidence of her having sand castle building skills.
    Same with the other campers
    But I though we were comparing Courtney and Harold in TDI?

    Harold used buttresses to build a magnificent sandcastle. The only problem was that seagulls knocked it down. Would Chef have liked it? We won't know since it got destroyed, but you like to assume, so apparently if Courtney didn't make it, it's a 0 since it didn't get a score...
    0.o
    But Courtney wasn't in the challenge LOL
    I dont compare challenges the campers werent
    But I guess that's your new thing
    0.o
    Freaky

    How about the surfing challenge? Harold was almost eaten by a shark and barely made it through it. How would Courtney have done? Would she have beat out Harold, even Duncan? Apparently, since you guys say she's a better camper than Harold.
    Yes she's a better camper then Harold.
    But she's at all the campers at everything
    I never said that.
    We never saw much of her in the water.
    I'd say she'd do a LITTLE better then Gwen but hey I have no clue.

    You keep making assumptions, Chris said she was their best prospect, WAS. How do you know that Chris didn't mean that Courtney was great, but Harold's beatboxing was even better? He never states it, but hey, you like to assume.
    Ha Ha Ha He SAID that as it WAS in the past when he said that.
    Here was his exact words
    "Bridgette's clumbsiness pretty much knocked out their best prospect Courtney"
    This was in episode 6 which is after episode 5 so he obviously already saw Harold's act and apperantly he thought it was better then Harold's.

    If you are going to try to say that we are assuming Chris would rank Harold's dish better and that it's only an assumption, I'll stop you right there. He showed a clear liking of the dish, he gave it a thumbs up, they played happy success music, he smiled, and said it passed. Compare that to the reaction for Courtney's dessert, a frown and an "Ehhh..." I can clearly see the difference in scoring here, he just never gives a numerical value for Harold.

    Why? Maybe the producers originally had the scores thought out and the writter by mistake put that in.
    Wouldn't that explain a lot?
    I do not recall Chris never grading the Gopher's apitizars like you have constantly said.

    But hey, apparently Courtney must win because of that, despite that stellar review from Chris compared to Courtney's.

    Ah yes but Harold got a ZERO.










    (JK) LOL You were probably freaking over right there.

    At least Harold contributes more and tries, he's won challenges and tried his best in all of them. Yes, he's messed up, but Courtney has messed up way more. Not jumping, complaining about everything, leaving teammates behind, trying to KILL other campers, and just plain sucking in challenges. Harold isn't the best at everything, but he gives his best, and succeeds more than he fails, unlike Courtney who just plain fails.

    I will say that Courtney isn't the worst, but she is nowhere near Harold's abilities. I'd rather have Harold on my team than Courtney, he's shown to be quite intellectual and can make things from nature.

    Ok thats ur opinion.

    Here's a good question:

    Why does Courtney give the bank loot to Duncan's team and not the Grips? Because she wants Duncan to succeed if she can't. Granted she didn't know she would be on the other team, but hey, guaranteed she would have changed her mind instantly to be on Duncan's team if she knew what would have happened. She doesn't care about anyone else but herself, she saw that Duncan was on the Gaffers, and wanted him to win, not even caring about the other team. How is that a respectable player? How does that show leadership qualities? She wanted Duncan to win, so she gave him the loot and not the Grips. She was biased in her decision. She even shows how she would have preferred to be with Duncan and his team.

    No it was cuz she just likes Duncan....
    The Grips didnt deserve the money cuz They Never Ouunce made it to the Wicket and therefore did not deserve to win.
    It was just a prize.
    Courtney knew that.
    Not something that let you go farther in challenges.
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    CrystalCoconut

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    NejiShikamaru wrote:
    Harold wasn't there when he was grading the antipasto, therefore he never heard what Chris said about his dish. So saying Chris was just trying to up Harold's spirit has the same problem that you say his comment about Courtney has...they never would have heard it.

    And yes, I do know that it is a cartoon, which is why I'm so aggravated that you continue to deny the evidence we've provided...not because of the show itself, but because you don't want to listen to the evidence...


    Yes Harold was there
    Who else was Chris talking 2?
    He just wasnt on screen
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