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Who is the better camper?

Who is the better camper?

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    stalemate666

    [81]Jul 10, 2009
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    NejiShikamaru wrote:
    According to Coconut, the challenge went to the Bass only because of Beth and the tiki curse, which means that Courtney shouldn't get a point in episode 7, despite the fact that Harold burned the oars, none of it matters because of the curse so no Bass' contributed...according to Coconut, so Courtney loses a point. Since he won't give Harold his deserved point for the cooking challenge and blames it on the curse, shouldn't all episodes with the curse in play be cancelled out? That means no point for Courtney.

    And for the Dodgeball challenge, Harold gets the point. Courtney HELPING to wake up Duncan doesn't earn her a point. She had the idea, yes, but she wanted HAROLD to wake up Duncan, which shows she sure as hell didn't want to be responsible for the idea. Why should she get credit for something she didn't want credit for? So she confronted Duncan, Duncan didn't look very convinced. And again, his strategy failed at the end, which therefore means that Harold was the most necessary person on the whole Bass team because he could dodge and catch. Point to Harold, Courtney got people out in a group, she needed everyone else to get them out. Her one out by herself is cancelled by the fact that her anger caused her to get out by Owen. Harold was the only one ever seen catching a ball on the Bass, and the only one who could actually dodge. Without Harold, the Gophers would have won.

    Harold is the better camper, Courtney lets her anger get in the way, and her obsession with winning hinders her performance.

    Harold did 1 evil thing, Courtney did several. Harold wins more challenges and gives his all, Courtney only wants to make herself succeed.

    Like I care what coconut said, Courtney doesn't get a point for Harold burning the oars Harold loses one so at the end of the episode Courtney is at 0 and Harold is at -1 so Courtney wins as for the cooking one we don't know his score, unless we know his exact score we can't say he won maybe it's the writers fault maybe not but we don't know the score that's why we omit it the dodgeball one Courtney MADE everyone wake up Duncan, if she wasn't there they wouldn't have done it plain and simple, if Harold wasn't there they might of won they might of not we don't know (they would have had a person free to throw it a Owen, and of course other members caught it, catching is the only way to bring ppl into the game that are out and we saw them rotate a lot in the last match)but we do know that Courtney MADE everyone wake up Duncan that's why she wins the episode because it caused them to get 4 wins where Harold got 1 out, Harold made 1 play, Harold was useless the rest of the game you can't give him a point unbiasedly
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    HaydenAvery

    [82]Jul 11, 2009
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    lets play comparison without giving courtney credit she doesnt deserve.

    1. Harold jumped cliff 1-0

    2. courtney 1-1

    3. Harold because courtney got someone else to do the dirty work 2-1

    4. harold. awesome beatbox. 3-1

    5. nothing realling happened tie 3-1

    6. tie even though courtney cost them challenge 3-1

    7. tie harold burned oars and courtney was going to leave geoff behind 3-1
    8. harold shot people while courtney argued with duncan. 4-1

    9. chris congratulated harolds antipasto while he wasnt too satisfied with courtney and duncans dish. 5-1
    10. tie because courtney didnt have the choice of being hit with apples 5-1

    11. courtney got farther 5-2

    harold creamed courtney!!!!!!
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    CrystalCoconut

    [83]Jul 11, 2009
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    HaydenAvery wrote:
    lets play comparison without giving courtney credit she doesnt deserve.

    1. Harold jumped cliff 1-0

    2. courtney 1-1

    3. Harold because courtney got someone else to do the dirty work 2-1

    4. harold. awesome beatbox. 3-1

    5. nothing realling happened tie 3-1

    6. tie even though courtney cost them challenge 3-1

    7. tie harold burned oars and courtney was going to leave geoff behind 3-1
    8. harold shot people while courtney argued with duncan. 4-1

    9. chris congratulated harolds antipasto while he wasnt too satisfied with courtney and duncans dish. 5-1
    10. tie because courtney didnt have the choice of being hit with apples 5-1

    11. courtney got farther 5-2

    harold creamed courtney!!!!!!


    Ummm... Wow...
    Courtney "leaving" Geoff for a second wouldnt have cost the game at all.
    So yeh Courtney wins that one.
    Courtney was a deer and deer were supposed to avoid all the Gopher hunters. We only see Courtney till the end of the game with a Duncan moment bue obviously she did her job and so did Harold it's stupid to give the win.
    Yeh true Harold WOULD have gotten a better score
    But the point is Harold got no score
    And therefore Harold contributed NOTHING to the win.
    He WOULD have.

    Here is the fair comparison.
    1. Harold Wins 0-1
    2. Courtney Wins 1-1
    3. Tied
    This is really debateable
    Courtney got Duncan in the game
    And got Cody out.
    Harold got Owen out.
    They both got one person out.
    How does Harold win this?
    I dont get it.
    4. Harold Wins 1-2
    5. Tied 1-2
    6. Tied both did not face their fears 1-2 Harold WOULD have but didnt
    7. Courtney Wins 2-2. Like I said Courtney leaving Geoff for a second is bad but would not have cost the team the win unlike Harold.
    8. Yeh both did their jobs
    Courtney got lucky
    She didnt have to do a thing
    BUT she still got the highest points
    It doesnt how easy it was she still got a perfect score as a deer.
    Harold did his job too.
    Tie.
    9. Harold would have without a doubt gotten a better score for Courtney.
    But due to an error and Harold's bad luck he did NOTHING for the win.
    Harold WOULD have done better
    But he did help the Bass win at all
    Courtney did.
    Not Harold's fault but oh well sucks 2 be him. Courtney wins 3-2
    10. Harold Wins 3-3
    Not Courtney's fault
    But oh well
    11. Courtney got farther then Harold 4-3

    Again this is how I see it.

    Harold WOULD have easily been better then Courtney.
    But he wasn't
    And he doesnt deserve credit for what he didnt do
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    Brodoin15

    [84]Jul 11, 2009
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    We're giving things to Harold? You're acting like you've never tried to give credit to Courtney which she does not deserve.

    Can we come to an agreement and say that Harold and Courtney are in the same area on the list of best to worst for the campers?

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    stalemate666

    [85]Jul 11, 2009
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    Brodoin15 wrote:

    We're giving things to Harold? You're acting like you've never tried to give credit to Courtney which she does not deserve.

    Can we come to an agreement and say that Harold and Courtney are in the same area on the list of best to worst for the campers?

    If I was trying to give credit to Courtney I would have gave her the deer one saying that Harold didn't shot heater Bridgette did and make the talent one a tie
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    CrystalCoconut

    [86]Jul 11, 2009
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    Brodoin15 wrote:

    We're giving things to Harold? You're acting like you've never tried to give credit to Courtney which she does not deserve.

    Can we come to an agreement and say that Harold and Courtney are in the same area on the list of best to worst for the campers?


    I never said that...
    We BOTH give Harold and Courtney too much credit.
    Harold credit for ALMOST facing his fear I actually think this end as Harold WOULD be better then Courtney.
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    imverybasic

    [87]Jul 11, 2009
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    The fact that Courtney left Geoff behind, wouldn't cost the game, but we know that a good and responsible leader would never leave their comrade behind for their own gratitude. And yes, Harold burning the oars was a almost a careless mistake, but it was what helped the Killer Bass win the challenge. Him, Geoff and Bridgette all helped DJ get over his fear over water. So in a way, Harold sort of helped them. This challenge should be a tie.

    So here's the comparison game:

    1. Harold wins 1-0

    2. Courtney wins 1-1

    3. Tied 2-2

    4. Harold wins 3-2

    5. Courtney wins 3-3

    6. We should give Courtney this one. She helped DJ and Duncan both get over their fears. The fact that she could've been nicer about it is a preferable minor detail. However, she costed a major part of the challenge so Courtney either wins or it is a tie. What do you guys think? 3-4

    7. Tied 4-5

    8. Harold wins 5-5

    9. Harold wins 6-5

    10. Harold wins 7-5

    11. Courtney wins 7-6

    Edited on 07/11/2009 5:33pm
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    CrystalCoconut

    [88]Jul 12, 2009
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    Courtney is NOT a good leader.
    She is a person that would do ANYTHING to win.
    And that's sorta what I like about her

    In the cooking challenge Harold didnt contribute to the win at all.
    Yes I know he would have a gotten better score then Courtney.
    But there was a writting error.
    Either it was a writting mistake of Chris saying he liked it but he really hated it and Harold got a zero.
    Or most likely and error that Harold's dish was forgotten to be scorn.
    Very unlucky for Harold.
    But the point is he didnt contribute a thing to the win
    He WOULD have but didnt.

    I think it's a tie in the fear challenge.
    But I think Courtney should win in the canoe won.
    Yes leaving Geoff is signs of a horrible leader.
    But Courtney's awful leadership wouldnt cost the Bass the game.
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    alagaesian

    [89]Jul 12, 2009
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    Here's how it works; they each contributed as much as they possibly could to the win.

    2. Tie - Harold jumped, but Courtney lead the team
    3. Tie - Neither lasted long enough to make a difference
    4. Tie - Both were required to win the challenge
    5. Tie - Both could have won the challenge for the Bass
    6. Tie - Neither made any difference in the challenge
    7. Tie - Neither faced their fear
    8. Tie - Both contributed somewhat to the win
    9. Tie - Both did their job
    10. Tie - Courtney scored for the team, and Harold's dish was well-received
    11. Tie - Both did as best as they could on their specific challenge
    12. Tie - Neither directly caused a loss for the Bass and both dropped out for wimpy-ish reasons
    Special: Tie - Both obtained and were in possession of the case for some time
    39. Tie - Courtney helped the Grips a lot once she got involved with the challenge, but Harold's stuff allowed the Gaffers to win the loot

    Results: Tie
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    NejiShikamaru

    [90]Jul 12, 2009
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    Ehhh, I'll give the "leading" in the first challenge to Courtney...Geoff really just tried to rally them...both of them sucked at it though
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    CrystalCoconut

    [91]Jul 12, 2009
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    Episode 2 A tie?
    Cuz it made no difference?
    So basically for everyone on the bass team besides Duncan its a tie on the sleep challenge?
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    alagaesian

    [92]Jul 12, 2009
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    It was supposed to be a satirical joke.

    Obviously, if you're allowed to stretch a few facts to make a character 'win' in an obvious 'loss' situation, then I can stretch some different facts to make everything a tie.
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    BomberFman34

    [93]Jul 12, 2009
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    For the record, leaving Geoff behind would have cost the Bass the challenge, due to the same reason as it cost them in The Sucky Outdoors. At that rate all of the Gophers would have eventually made it to shore before all of the Bass (namely Geoff).
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    CrystalCoconut

    [94]Jul 13, 2009
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    BomberFman34 wrote:
    For the record, leaving Geoff behind would have cost the Bass the challenge, due to the same reason as it cost them in The Sucky Outdoors. At that rate all of the Gophers would have eventually made it to shore before all of the Bass (namely Geoff).


    How do you know that?

    It was just for a second and it was a sign of a bad leader yes.

    What Courtney was GOING to do was low.

    Point is Courtney didnt actually do it

    She WOULD have.

    But didn't.
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    imverybasic

    [95]Jul 13, 2009
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    The thing is though is that she was stopped by DJ. If DJ hadn't said anything, she would have done it. Like BomberFMan said, if the rules were similar to the rules in The Sucky Outdoors, the Gophers would have won the challenge.
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    HaydenAvery

    [96]Jul 13, 2009
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    yup everyone says courtney wins over harold for leading the team but they dont pay attention to how bad a leader she is.
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    CrystalCoconut

    [97]Jul 13, 2009
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    HaydenAvery wrote:
    yup everyone says courtney wins over harold for leading the team but they dont pay attention to how bad a leader she is.


    No...
    Courtney wins over Harold for what she did in challenges.
    She is not a good leader.
    She is a horrible.
    She is a not a "team player"
    She is someone who will do anything to win.

    Yes Courtney didnt actually leave Geoff cuz of DJ but the point is she didnt do it and didnt cost the team anything but Harold did
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    HaydenAvery

    [98]Jul 13, 2009
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    courtney really didnt do much more than epicly failing at being a leader. whatever when harold wins in the TDA finals against courtney he will prove to be the better contestant.
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    alagaesian

    [99]Jul 13, 2009
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    No offense, but I would seriously doubt that both Courtney and Harold would end up in the finals. I'd see her going home as soon as they did the 'Haute Camp-ture' episode.

    Plus, if they do become the finalists, it would be incredibly obvious that Harold would win. At this point, she is so antagonistic that the only way she could become the winner of TDA would be if the win was not a true win: she doesn't get the million dollars, or something extremely bad happens immediately after she is victorious.
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    HaydenAvery

    [100]Jul 13, 2009
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    the producers dont care if their obvious. they did that with owen and gwen and owen was the obvious winner. im pretty sure a lot of people would think that courtney would win still since they ignore the fact that an underdog will win. cough(TDme)cough. and beth and harold wouldnt be as dramatic as courtney and harold. im not saying i want courtney to get to the finals but its most likely.
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