I've had enough of debating with CrystalCoconut over who is the better camper. I've offered facts for them to see how Harold has proven to be a better camper than Courtney, but they don't feel like listening.

So then, who do YOU believe is the better camper? Harold or Courtney? Explain why you think so if you want to, I've already explained countless times that Harold is better than Courtney, so it's obvious I'm voting Harold.

It's Courtney! Great leader, a CIT (even though I don't even know what that means), and she's a great contestant when it comes to challenges. I mean I'm kind of spoiling myself here, but everyone is doing the same thing as well, her team is winning in Total Drama Action thanks to her! That kind of gives a hint that Courtney is a great camper. Even if the Grips do not like her, they really need her! This is because they needed someone to help the team, and Courtney was perfect for them.

For Harold, he tries to be a good camper but the people around him is making him falter, Especially Duncan who really loves to pick on him. So Harold, if people try to be mean to you, try to toughen up or something. And it's not showing this season yet. All I see him do was just fall, get hurt, get picked on, and wants to show off his wicked skills. What skills? I admit Harold is good, but he's not looking good when I see him in the episodes.

I say Harold is better...

At first I thought him and Courtney were evenly matched, but some posts have proved me otherwise.

Watching Total Drama Island has proved to me that Courtney is not as great as some might make her out to be. Okay, she's got CIT (by the way, CIT stands for Counsellor in Training) skills which makes her a great leader, but it's that very quality that makes her a bad teammate. I'm well enough to admit that Courtney has done well as the leader, but even being a leader, she still messed up countless times, times which also resulted her into almost getting kicked off.

Courtney has come more prepared for Total Drama Action but only because of a lawsuit she filed against the show. Granted, (the) first season has otherwise proven Courtney to be a useless competetor. She has not only costed challenges, but throughout the time she was in the competetion, when not leading the group, Courtney just went around telling everybody that she was a CIT and bossed everybody around in challenges which she didn't have the capacity to complete. Courtney's a hypocrite and doesn't even deserve to come back to Total Drama Action. Harold was chosen before her for a reason and he was doing fine until Courtney came into the picture.

At least Harold never went around gloating about his achievements or bossed any of his teammates around. Sure, Harold has mentioned about his 'wicked skills' maybe a couple of times, but that was just to show confidence in challenges.

So maybe Harold is a lousy thrower, but the challenges have proven that he has the raw, physical ability to take out anyone if his mind was set to do it.

Bottom Line: Courtney knows how to be a leader, but she has a lot to learn about being a team player because even her leadership has caused her at least two challenges.

Harold is better than Courney.

He as won challenges, even one all on his own. Courtney never has. Harold never singlehandedly lost a challenge, Courtney has. Harold is mostly a nice guy, Courtney is bossy and mean. Harold may show off his "skills" sometimes, but like imverybasic said, it's just to show that he's not a wimp and is willing to do what he can. Courtney shows off everything and keeps saying she's a CIT. Harold is friends with most of the others. Courtney mainly has only Duncan.

Harold is better on so many levels.

I'd post more info on the matter, but I am tired of posting the same facts over and over. And the facts show that Harold is the better player.

If I were on the show, I'd pick Harold to be the leader over Courtney.

It can't be a writing error because the look on Harold's and Sadie's faces are that of joy that Chris likes it. Plus Chris is smiling too.

Why is it a error that Chris likes it? Why can't it be the error be that the points were goofed up?

I don't get why you are saying Harold lost the food challenge. Chris obviously like Harold's and Sadie's dish. It may have been one of the best. Courtney's and Duncan's were just "ok." His gestures and facial expressions show this.

I don't know why they didn't give Harold and Sadie numbers. It may have been a goof, or maybe they didn't expect the viewers to dicuss it like this.

Either way, Chris obviously like Harold's food better than Courtney's. Point for Harold.

Sorry if this gets turned into another Harold vs. Courtney thread. At least is the right thread to have the debate.

Sorry, I missed that.

Still, Harold didn't get a 0, Chris showed that he like the antipasto, so what, he didn't score it, he didn't score the appetizer for the Gophers either, so, explain that? Why would he not score one and score the other? Hmm, he didn't score either. So saying that he made an error is wrong, because Chris didn't grade either. He showed that he liked Harold's dish more than Courtney's. END OF STORY.

Would Courtney have caught that ball from Owen? Probably not, but I guess I can't use hypothetical results...oh wait, you do several times...Harold made the most important contribution of the entire episode, he caught the ball to prevent them from losing. Had he missed, it'd have been game over. Courtney waking up Duncan is something in her favor, but she wanted HAROLD to wake him up, and only when everyone banded together to wake him up did she show any initiative. Yeah, she threatened him, how do we know that anyone would have even listened to her had he ignored her? Duncan's a damn strong player, which he's shown, and I doubt that the team would have kicked him off for sleeping in because he worked to try and win the sleeping challenge.

Harold shot deer, which was the whole point of the challenge. Courtney spent more time following Duncan, who actually played the role of a deer and avoided a hunter, than actually avoiding anything. Yeah, she didn't get hit, but only one hunter actually tried for the Gophers, the others were with Heather shooting each other. Harold at least shot a deer and did his job, had the Gophers been trying, she'd have been hit, she was never shown trying to avoid anything, just meeting up with Duncan, oh wait, here's a good thing to add to Harold: Bridgette didn't want to participate, but Harold, like Courtney had "motivated Duncan to play," motivates Bridgette. Without Bridgette, they'd have been stuck at the start waiting for her to join. Since you like adding those motivation points, Harold should get one, he motivates Bridgette to shoot Heather.

You know what, Harold should get a point for kicking out Courtney too. She got overconfident, and Harold was able to show a darker side and switch the votes. He showed some guts even trying to do that, knowing that Duncan would be ready to kill him for it. He cheated, yes, but the fact that little Harold managed to even think of cheating, is amazing. He took Courtney out while she was overconfident, which alone is worth something.

In Up the Creek, Harold burned the oars, yes. But, when Geoff goes down from an "injury," the only person who agrees with Geoff to leave him behind...is Courtney. What kind of leader will leave behind an injured partner? That may not be as impactful as the oars, but that shows how mean Courtney is, she is willing to leave someone who was hurt to further herself. She shows that again when Duncan hurts his ankle in TDDDI. She was even willing to cut the rope with Cody, Owen, Tyler, and DJ hanging on for dear life, why would a "leader" show such insanely vicious qualities? How is she a better camper? Harold cheated, Courtney was willing to kill people...

Harold used his skills in TDDDI to analyze the antagonist Heather and why she was so mean to everyone. He uses his skills to find out why Heather has been so mean, because of her past. Harold shows some great analytical skills scoping out the antagonist. He even built a hang glider, granted it broke, but Courtney stole a hot air balloon. At least Harold can make stuff, he doesn't need to steal it all.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Sorry for being so nosey lately, but I just can't resist.

Anyway, pretty much Neji covered everything that needed to be said. So, just to sum it up: Courtney is way too overrated as a character. She does nothing in challenges. She just goes around bossing everybody around and gloating about her achievements. And if that isn't enough, puts her willingness to win ahead of everything else. She goes as far as to leave an injured person behind and pull a horrible stunt as to stealing a hot air balloon and when push comes to shove (forgive the pun) is willing into trying to knock anybody off of it. From making a few hurtful comments, to attempting to kill a team member, Courtney definitely has issues.

Granted, here is the real comparison game:

This time, let Courtney be on the opposite side.

1. Harold wins 1-0

2. Courtney wins 1-1

3. Tie 2-2

4. Harold wins 3-2

5. Courtney wins 3-3

6. Harold wins 4-3

7. Courtney wins 4-4

8. Harold wins 5-4

9. Harold wins 6-4

10. Harold wins 7-4

11. Courtney wins 7-5

So instead of it being 7-5 for Courtney, it's 7-5 for Harold.

Bottom Line: Courtney is not a nice person and does not deserve to return to Total Drama Action or be casted in future seasons. She would go as far as to either sabbotage or put someone's life at risk just to win, which is the very reason that I despise her. Thereby, I have come to the conclusion that when push comes to shove- again, no pun intended- Courtney can also be evil, maybe even worse than Heather. In addition, she has no raw talent or skill for physical/mental challenges nor does she have the capacity and courage to deliver. The only reason why Courtney is so overrated is because people happen to like her a lot and she has a safety net for the season. And unlike her, Harold has the nerve to admit his wrongs and to admit his fears. If anybody's a coward, it's Courtney, not Harold.

Sorry that you had to hear this, but it's the truth and it must be told.

I believe they were pretty equal in TDI.

1. Harold wins 1-0
2. Courtney wins 1-1
3. Tie 1-1 (their contributions were equal in my opinion)
4. Harold wins 2-1
5. Tie 2-1 (both did nothing)
6. Tie 2-1 (they both failed)
7. Courtney wins 2-2
8. Tie 2-2 (both did their jobs perfect)
9. Tie 2-2 (individual scores were never completely defined)
10. Harold wins 3-2 (helped win his challenge, even though it wasn't Courtney's fault they lost her challenge)
11. Courtney wins 3-3 (lasted longer)

That's my 2 cents on it. I'm torn on the phobia challenge on weather Harold deserves the point for being closer to passing or not, but I can't be confident with it so they tie for me there. If the scores for the cooking challenge for Harold/Sadie and Bridgette/DJ would have been clarified, then one would be better then the other, but they weren't, so to me they were equal.