| SpongeSebastian wrote: |
| QUOTE="talonmalon333" More like Patrick Star instead. |
really, all i watch was squidwood, and i miss that episode...
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| SpongeSebastian wrote: |
| QUOTE="talonmalon333" More like Patrick Star instead. |
| TAMKFan wrote: |
| Season 4 is very underrated. I like it. Next the Seasons 3 and 5, it's my favorite season. |
That is very true. And somepeople have given up since they've seen Season 4 to not even try to watch Season 5 and get some laughs like they did from Seasons 1-3.
Well I didn't really like season four, although I didn't hate it. I rate it a 5 out of 10.
| WhatIsADuck wrote: | ||
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Sigh... well, it is okay to see DeathShady finally get torn a part himself.
Well, season four is generally accepted as the worst season. I am one of the people who say this, but I don't hate it. I will say this, that when people say season four is the worst because of the changes, they aren't using a good reason. Whether you want to admit it or not, things will change eventually. Sometimes when things go on for a while, and when the creators feel that it will go dry if it continues, they will play with a few things. They want to keep things fresh, but not everyone will accept the changes.
However, while saying that things change isn't a good reason, giving reasons as to how things changed is completely different. For example, the change in SpongeBob's voice. While many might say that this isn't a good reason, it honestly is. Many people probably think that his new voice is really annoying, and I can see why. Really, it sounds like he is on helium. Also, the animation seems to have gotten cheaper. The colors look too bright, like what you would except from a marker, rather than a color pencil or something. The backround meets the foreground, and the character desings have gotten thicker. It doesn't even have a charm like the animation from season three. I will say that it seems to have been polished.
Also, the characters personalities have changed. While this alone isn't a good reason, the changes are widely accepted as poor. SpongeBob was originally more dorky and naive, and he also had a good amount of funny jokes, along with the fact that he is simply a funny character. He was an adult with a child personality, and you knew it. Now, he is like a baby, and they are trying to make him loud and annoying. He is still a funny character, but it is because he is annoying, not because of things like jokes. Also - about the part where they consider him to be an adult with a childlike mind - it seems like they are trying to remove the fact that he is really an adult, like they want you to forget that fact.
They seemed to have dumbed down the show as well. The show has always had a great appeal to kids, but it also had it's fair share of jokes that more mature people will love, jokes that will fly over children. It also had a great deal of clever jokes, such as the wrestling scene in The Fry Cook Games, where Patrick rips off his outfit and is wearing a business suit. Now, those clever and hidden jokes are gone, and have been replaced by five year old humor that will most likely appeal to the younger addience. It uses toilet humor now, although I will say that this somehow gives it a push in the season five episodes, which I wouldn't expect.
The storylines lack the creativity as well. Remember episodes such as Sleepy Time, and Shanghaied, along with many others? The new episodes lack the creative storylines, and they are even repeating ideas. Along with this, the plots seem to be rushed now. Really, at the end of many episodes, the story will just end abruptly.
I will say this, that season five has been a whole lot better than season four. But even so, I am one of the people who put season four as the bottom of the barrel, despite the fact that I don't hate it, but rather, I find it to be okay.
Wow, finally something to debate about! 
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| Well, season four is generally accepted as the worst season. I am one of the people who say this, but I don't hate it. I will say this, that when people say season four is the worst because of the changes, they aren't using a good reason. Whether you want to admit it or not, things will change eventually. Sometimes when things go on for a while, and when the creators feel that it will go dry if it continues, they will play with a few things. They want to keep things fresh, but not everyone will accept the changes. |
I agree with you about changing and change isn't always bad even if at times people see it to be. They can't make a generalization that Seasons 4 and 5 are bad just because of the fact that they're accustomed to that type of humor.
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
However, while saying that things change isn't a good reason, giving reasons as to how things changed is completely different. For example, the change in SpongeBob's voice. While many might say that this isn't a good reason, it honestly is. Many people probably think that his new voice is really annoying, and I can see why. Really, it sounds like he is on helium. Also, the animation seems to have gotten cheaper. The colors look too bright, like what you would except from a marker, rather than a color pencil or something. The backround meets the foreground, and the character desings have gotten thicker. It doesn't even have a charm like the animation from season three. I will say that it seems to have been polished. |
Doesn't what you said about his voice sounding like helium just add to the point of it not being a good reason? So what if his voice sounds different? Does it affect the quality of the show? Is the show mainly centered around SpongeBob's voice or his laugh? It's not a very good reason or at least you could have added more than it sounds like he's on helium. You say that you like "Roller Cowards" and SpongeBob sounds the same as he did ever since Season4 started, but that doesn't affect how much you like the episode does it?
You're acting as if the animation has changed so greatly so that the show's entire look is a mess when it really hasn't. If they changed the animation like they did for American Dragon: Jake Long between Season 1 and 2, then I'd understand your complaint, but there's not much change. Wanna compare?
Here's SpongeBob on the left from "The Sponge Who Could Fly" and on the right it's him from "Night Light".
Your reasons for comparing the animations aren't that justifiable as to why the seasons have been disliked by fans.
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| Also, the characters personalities have changed. While this alone isn't a good reason, the changes are widely accepted as poor. SpongeBob was originally more dorky and naive, and he also had a good amount of funny jokes, along with the fact that he is simply a funny character. He was an adult with a child personality, and you knew it. Now, he is like a baby, and they are trying to make him loud and annoying. He is still a funny character, but it is because he is annoying, not because of things like jokes. Also - about the part where they consider him to be an adult with a childlike mind - it seems like they are trying to remove the fact that he is really an adult, like they want you to forget that fact. |
He wasn't behaving childishly in "Mid-Life Crustacean" when he was taking Mr. Krabs to do all those activities? Or in "Krabby Land" when he started trying to get down on the kids' level? He has his childish moments and his mature moments in any of the 5 seasons even if it may seem as if primarily he acts like a child. If someone goes on a date with someone (even if it is a Krabby Patty), the fact that it's a date and they're engaging in a relationship counts as being mature. Unless you're one of those kids who has a boyfriend or girlfriend in kindergarten. 
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| They seemed to have dumbed down the show as well. The show has always had a great appeal to kids, but it also had it's fair share of jokes that more mature people will love, jokes that will fly over children. It also had a great deal of clever jokes, such as the wrestling scene in The Fry Cook Games, where Patrick rips off his outfit and is wearing a business suit. Now, those clever and hidden jokes are gone, and have been replaced by five year old humor that will most likely appeal to the younger addience. It uses toilet humor now, although I will say that this somehow gives it a push in the season five episodes, which I wouldn't expect. |
Sodressing up in a business suit means that you're automatically mature? Or it means that the joke has to be laying straight out there and that means that at times it's not funny? 
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| The storylines lack the creativity as well. Remember episodes such as Sleepy Time, and Shanghaied, along with many others? The new episodes lack the creative storylines, and they are even repeating ideas. Along with this, the plots seem to be rushed now. Really, at the end of many episodes, the story will just end abruptly. |
5 Seasons of one show about an underwater sponge will do that to you and even now, they've kept a lot of originality. With "Night Light", the plot was never used before and the fact that they took a new approach on SpongeBob's fear was pretty original too. The Flying Dutchman plots have always been some kind of rinse and repeat. A problem happens and SpongeBob and the Flying Dutchman have some sort of argument at one point in the episode. In "Shanghaied", they argued when they were on the ship for the first time. In "Ghost Host", they argued about his laziness. In "Scaredy Pants", they argued about SpongeBob being a reasonable ghost.
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
Well, season four is generally accepted as the worst season. I am one of the people who say this, but I don't hate it. I will say this, that when people say season four is the worst because of the changes, they aren't using a good reason. Whether you want to admit it or not, things will change eventually. Sometimes when things go on for a while, and when the creators feel that it will go dry if it continues, they will play with a few things. They want to keep things fresh, but not everyone will accept the changes. However, while saying that things change isn't a good reason, giving reasons as to how things changed is completely different. For example, the change in SpongeBob's voice. While many might say that this isn't a good reason, it honestly is. Many people probably think that his new voice is really annoying, and I can see why. Really, it sounds like he is on helium. Also, the animation seems to have gotten cheaper. The colors look too bright, like what you would except from a marker, rather than a color pencil or something. The backround meets the foreground, and the character desings have gotten thicker. It doesn't even have a charm like the animation from season three. I will say that it seems to have been polished. Also, the characters personalities have changed. While this alone isn't a good reason, the changes are widely accepted as poor. SpongeBob was originally more dorky and naive, and he also had a good amount of funny jokes, along with the fact that he is simply a funny character. He was an adult with a child personality, and you knew it. Now, he is like a baby, and they are trying to make him loud and annoying. He is still a funny character, but it is because he is annoying, not because of things like jokes. Also - about the part where they consider him to be an adult with a childlike mind - it seems like they are trying to remove the fact that he is really an adult, like they want you to forget that fact. They seemed to have dumbed down the show as well. The show has always had a great appeal to kids, but it also had it's fair share of jokes that more mature people will love, jokes that will fly over children. It also had a great deal of clever jokes, such as the wrestling scene in The Fry Cook Games, where Patrick rips off his outfit and is wearing a business suit. Now, those clever and hidden jokes are gone, and have been replaced by five year old humor that will most likely appeal to the younger addience. It uses toilet humor now, although I will say that this somehow gives it a push in the season five episodes, which I wouldn't expect. The storylines lack the creativity as well. Remember episodes such as Sleepy Time, and Shanghaied, along with many others? The new episodes lack the creative storylines, and they are even repeating ideas. Along with this, the plots seem to be rushed now. Really, at the end of many episodes, the story will just end abruptly. I will say this, that season five has been a whole lot better than season four. But even so, I am one of the people who put season four as the bottom of the barrel, despite the fact that I don't hate it, but rather, I find it to be okay. |
Yeah I agree with this entire post...these are all of the reasons why I don't like Seasons 4 and 5.
| minerva73 wrote: |
Here's SpongeBob on the left from "The Sponge Who Could Fly" and on the right it's him from "Night Light".
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The animation itself isn't totally different from Season 3, but it's hard to explain. It's not something you can see in a picture. All of the little details that were in the animation in Seasons 1-3 are gone now. Look at the inside of Spongebob's house in an episode from Season 2 or 3 and then look at it from Season 4 or 5, and you'll notice all of the little pictures are gone and a lot of little details that were there in Season 1-3. And remember the real life photos that would be added to the show every once in a while? (Like the hand). I don't think I've seen them once in Seasons 4 and 5. No, these aren't huge additions to the show, but they were nice little touches that added to the creativity of the first three seasons and are gone now. The animation itself is also different, but you'd have to watch a full Season 3 episode and then a full Season 4 episode and you'd see the difference.
As for Spongebob being more childish - of course he had his childish moments in Seasons 1-3. But in Season 4 and 5, just like they do with all of the other characters' personalities, they overdo it. Now in every episode he sounds like he's two years old and is usually crying about something. Add the squeaky voice to this and he sounds so much more childish. Spongebob has always been childish, but he still didn't cross the fine line into total child-ness until Season 4. They exaggerate it too much now. Just like they do with Mr. Krabs' greediness, Sandy's intelligence, Patrick's stupidity...the only characters that have stayed the same are Squidward and Plankton, really. And even Plankton seems less evil in Seasons 4-5 and just desperate.
Also, like Talon said, Spongebob was actually a funny character in Seasons 1-3...now all of his humor is just based on his baby-ness.
| minerva73 wrote: |
| Sodressing up in a business suit means that you're automatically mature? Or it means that the joke has to be laying straight out there and that means that at times it's not funny? |
No, that's not what he means. Seasons 1-3 had a lot of clever, hidden jokes that little kids wouldn't understand. For example, in The Graveyard Shift at the end, when Squidward asks "Who was flickering the lights?" and everyone screams "Noseforatu!". Or the entire "Sweet Victory" song in Band Geeks, that was just brilliantly written. Or the "don't drop the soap" referance in Gary Takes a Bath. Or ALL of Sailor Mouth, and when Spongebob does his cursing fit in Krusty Love - or in Dumped - Larry the Snail is a spoof of Moe from the 3 Stooges. Clever references like that are gone in the new episodes, so it doesn't appeal to all ages like the first three seasons did.
| minerva73 wrote: |
| 5 Seasons of one show about an underwater sponge will do that to you and even now, they've kept a lot of originality. With "Night Light", the plot was never used before and the fact that they took a new approach on SpongeBob's fear was pretty original too. The Flying Dutchman plots have always been some kind of rinse and repeat. A problem happens and SpongeBob and the Flying Dutchman have some sort of argument at one point in the episode. In "Shanghaied", they argued when they were on the ship for the first time. In "Ghost Host", they argued about his laziness. In "Scaredy Pants", they argued about SpongeBob being a reasonable ghost. |
Well of course some plots are original, but most of them are just copies off of other episodes now. For example...
Good Neighbors - This plot has been done so many times before...
Once Bitten - Extremely similar to "I Was a Teenage Gary".
Bummer Vacation - Similar to "Big Pink Loser".
Wigstruck - Similar to "Squeaky Boots" as Spongebob wears something he likes but everyone else hates.
Boat Smarts - A poor attempt to re-create The Krusty Krab Training Video".
Spongebob vs. The Patty Gadget - A contest to see who can make the most Krabby Patties? That was done in "Neptune's Spatula".
The Battle of Bikini Bottom - Similar to "The Fry Cook Games".
SpongeHenge - Reminds me of "Jellyfish Jam".
Stanley S. Squarepants - Just a few episodes before this one they already did an episode on Spongebob's cousin, "Blackjack".
And when the plotlines aren't copied, they aren't creative, they're usually stupid. I mean, Spongebob dates a Krabby Patty? Spongebob loses his "laughing box?". Spongebob gets a new spatula but it refuses to make Krabby Patties?
You're acting as if the animation has changed so greatly so that the show's entire look is a mess when it really hasn't. If they changed the animation like they did for American Dragon: Jake Long between Season 1 and 2, then I'd understand your complaint, but there's not much change.
What if people hate the new animation? Not everyone is going to be like you, Minerva. I mean, SpongeBob looks like a two year old, at least in season four he did. Also, not only will some people dislike it, but it is also clearly rushed. It just assists in showing what a trash heap season four was.
He wasn't behaving childishly in "Mid-Life Crustacean" when he was taking Mr. Krabs to do all those activities? Or in "Krabby Land" when he started trying to get down on the kids' level?
Yes, he was immature in those episodes, and he was really immature in Grandmas Kisses. But take note of the fact that you had to list two specific episodes. That is because in seasons one, two, and three, SpongeBob being a baby was more rare, adding to the humor. In seasons four and five, he just regularly acts like he is a toddler.
He has his childish moments and his mature moments in any of the 5 seasons even if it may seem as if primarily he acts like a child.
Do you see I underlined that part? It basically cancels out what you said first, because it is what I have been saying. If SpongeBob did not primarily act like a child, then that would change everything. And since when does he act mature in season five?
If someone goes on a date with someone (even if it is a Krabby Patty), the fact that it's a date and they're engaging in a relationship counts as being mature. Unless you're one of those kids who has a boyfriend or girlfriend in kindergarten.
Well, dating a krabby patty seems a bit childish, does it not?
Also, SpongeBob may be the type to have a girlfriend in grade school... although I do not even consider them guy girl relationships until people reach high school.
Sodressing up in a business suit means that you're automatically mature? Or it means that the joke has to be laying straight out there and that means that at times it's not funny?
Focus, Minerva, I was not talking about that at all.
I would bet money that season five would not have that type of joke. Season five lacks what it takes: creatitivy. Also, another thing that we take for granted, in the episode Texas. Remember at the end of Sandys song her voice completely changes? That is on a level of clever that the new episodes can not beat.
5 Seasons of one show about an underwater sponge will do that to you and even now, they've kept a lot of originality. With "Night Light", the plot was never used before and the fact that they took a new approach on SpongeBob's fear was pretty original too.
How is Night Light creative? SpongeBob and Patrick are afraid of the dark. That sounds familiar...
The Flying Dutchman plots have always been some kind of rinse and repeat. A problem happens and SpongeBob and the Flying Dutchman have some sort of argument at one point in the episode. In "Shanghaied", they argued when they were on the ship for the first time. In "Ghost Host", they argued about his laziness. In "Scaredy Pants", they argued about SpongeBob being a reasonable ghost.
Okay...?
| MomofAllMoms wrote: |
| The animation itself isn't totally different from Season 3, but it's hard to explain. It's not something you can see in a picture. All of the little details that were in the animation in Seasons 1-3 are gone now. Look at the inside of Spongebob's house in an episode from Season 2 or 3 and then look at it from Season 4 or 5, and you'll notice all of the little pictures are gone and a lot of little details that were there in Season 1-3. And remember the real life photos that would be added to the show every once in a while? (Like the hand). I don't think I've seen them once in Seasons 4 and 5. No, these aren't huge additions to the show, but they were nice little touches that added to the creativity of the first three seasons and are gone now. The animation itself is also different, but you'd have to watch a full Season 3 episode and then a full Season 4 episode and you'd see the difference. |
While that may hold true, it's not as if they're removing the most important things from within his house or even the things that have been there in about every episode like that giantfish on SpongeBob's wall.
The episode "Night Light" had Tom Kenny's face swirling around in the freezer when SpongeBob went in and there was another episode that aired during the New (x5) Week that had the popping hand near SpongeBob also. I'll use my DVDs to get the picture and show it as proof.
Fine, I'll watch the eps back to back.
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| Do you not see? You are someone who does not mind SpongeBobs new voice, but not everyone likes his new voice. Really, there are people who probably find his new voice to be extremely high and annoying. So yes, it can greatly affect the show, because SpongeBob is the main character. He is the one who does the most talking. |
But at the same time not everyone hates his new voice either. Just because a bunch of people find the change in his voice annoying doesn't mean that everyone finds it the same way. SpongeSebastian said in a couple of threads that he doesn't mind his new voice at all.
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| What if people hate the new animation? Not everyone is going to be like you, Minerva. I mean, SpongeBob looks like a two year old, at least in season four he did. Also, not only will some people dislike it, but it is also clearly rushed. It just assists in showing what a trash heap season four was. |
What if people don't hate the new animation? Not everyone sees the big difference or doesn't like the change in animation and is like you, Talon. 
SpongeBob looks like a two year old now? 
I'd see if you said that with an example of "Friend or Foe" since he was wearing a diaper, but other than that he's not running around making messes and destroying the place. Just taking what you said literally. 
| MomOfAllMoms wrote: |
As for Spongebob being more childish - of course he had his childish moments in Seasons 1-3. But in Season 4 and 5, just like they do with all of the other characters' personalities, they overdo it. Now in every episode he sounds like he's two years old and is usually crying about something. Add the squeaky voice to this and he sounds so much more childish. Spongebob has always been childish, but he still didn't cross the fine line into total child-ness until Season 4. They exaggerate it too much now. Just like they do with Mr. Krabs' greediness, Sandy's intelligence, Patrick's stupidity...the only characters that have stayed the same are Squidward and Plankton, really. And even Plankton seems less evil in Seasons 4-5 and just desperate. |
I see what you're saying and agree with it, but at the same time his voice could have remained the same, but still have behaved more babyish like he did at certain times in Seasons 1-3. His voice may add to the effect of him sounding and behaving like a baby, but the gist of it is that he's acting like a baby...low or high voice. If Sandy's voice had changed but they still had her focus on her science so much,would it still change the bottom of her being more dedicated to science?
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| Yes, he was immature in those episodes, and he was really immature in Grandmas Kisses. But take note of the fact that you had to list two specific episodes. That is because in seasons one, two, and three, SpongeBob being a baby was more rare, adding to the humor. In seasons four and five, he just regularly acts like he is a toddler. |
So I list two episodes and that means I'm automatically wrong? Yes, he does act like a baby and there's nothing to change that, but don't forget that's how he behaved previously too.
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| He has his childish moments and his mature moments in any of the 5 seasons even if it may seem as if primarily he acts like a child. |
He does act like a child, but he has acted mature quite a few times too. In "Battle of Bikini Bottom" he behaved maturely when he spoke about hygiene. Or in "Blackjack", you could say he behaved maturely by going to someone instead of just spazzing out when he heard about Blackjack.
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| If someone goes on a date with someone (even if it is a Krabby Patty), the fact that it's a date and they're engaging in a relationship counts as being mature. Unless you're one of those kids who has a boyfriend or girlfriend in kindergarten. |
They really aren't proper relationships until high school, but depending on your state of mind, you could see it as mature. I don't see it that way, but not everyone sees it like you and I.
| MomOfAllMoms wrote: |
No, that's not what he means. Seasons 1-3 had a lot of clever, hidden jokes that little kids wouldn't understand. For example, in The Graveyard Shift at the end, when Squidward asks "Who was flickering the lights?" and everyone screams "Noseforatu!". Or the entire "Sweet Victory" song in Band Geeks, that was just brilliantly written. Or the "don't drop the soap" referance in Gary Takes a Bath. Or ALL of Sailor Mouth, and when Spongebob does his cursing fit in Krusty Love - or in Dumped - Larry the Snail is a spoof of Moe from the 3 Stooges. Clever references like that are gone in the new episodes, so it doesn't appeal to all ages like the first three seasons did. |
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| Sodressing up in a business suit means that you're automatically mature? Or it means that the joke has to be laying straight out there and that means that at times it's not funny? |
That's one aspect in where I do see that the new seasons lack that kind of creativity.
| MomOfAllMoms wrote: |
Well of course some plots are original, but most of them are just copies off of other episodes now. For example... Good Neighbors - This plot has been done so many times before... Once Bitten - Extremely similar to "I Was a Teenage Gary". Bummer Vacation - Similar to "Big Pink Loser". Wigstruck - Similar to "Squeaky Boots" as Spongebob wears something he likes but everyone else hates. Boat Smarts - A poor attempt to re-create The Krusty Krab Training Video". Spongebob vs. The Patty Gadget - A contest to see who can make the most Krabby Patties? That was done in "Neptune's Spatula". The Battle of Bikini Bottom - Similar to "The Fry Cook Games". SpongeHenge - Reminds me of "Jellyfish Jam". Stanley S. Squarepants - Just a few episodes before this one they already did an episode on Spongebob's cousin, "Blackjack". And when the plotlines aren't copied, they aren't creative, they're usually stupid. I mean, Spongebob dates a Krabby Patty? Spongebob loses his "laughing box?". Spongebob gets a new spatula but it refuses to make Krabby Patties? |
| talonmalon333 wrote: |
| How is Night Light creative? SpongeBob and Patrick are afraid of the dark. That sounds familiar... |
Then you'd have to say that all of the episodes are rehashes of one another. The episodes would have to be put into different categories like:
Every show has episodes that have similar plots, but it's how they carry out the new plot which makes all the difference. Smallville has episodes in where people get Clark's powers and there are complaints that they are similar, but depending on how it's carried out the second, third, or even fourth time is what makes all the difference.
Now you guys have a great holiday.
