Nickelodeon (ended 2012)
Has nobody mentioned that Ariana, Jennette, and Noah are doing a movie together right now?? Swindle? LOL the plot sounds like a mess. What a waste of legitimately talented people.
IDK, this frustrates me. Like when Keke Palmer was so talented and got a really crappy show deal. Ariana was on Broadway and is crazy talented at singing. Jennette could nail versatile roles like rape victims, insane murderers, nerds, etc even at a young age. Noah is insanely funny just from the really small part in "Bad Teacher". I hate how really talented people are stuck in Nickelodeon for this long when they could be doing great projects. During hiatus, Jennette would focus on her music or Nickelodeon tv movies like "The Best Player" and it really disappointed me. Idk. She could do better.
The only one doing a movie that hits theaters is Nathan, who I think is really talented but the least talented of the iCarly sidekicks. I'm so happy he got a project he is so happy about though(and filmed in Michigan whooo!!). I love Victoria, but I find her the least talented of Victorious(besides Avan). Yet she's the one doing legitimate theater movies and the rest of the cast isn't doing much.
"The network's decision about Victorious had nothing to do with "Gibby" or "Sam & Cat". I promise. Even if there was no "Gibby" and no "Sam & Cat." "The network still would have ended Victorious after its 60-episode run." - Dan Schneider.
He said the show wasn't cancelled, the term is not accurate in this case.
When a show is cancelled, normally it's because of poor ratings.
My best guess, not enough revenue / money for the show to be run.
Whoa, I totally skipped that paragraph Dan said it isn't "cancelled". My bad.
I still don't think that makes sense though. Dan said that the show WASN'T cancelled, but ended. For the show to have ended, it would have been a mutual decision of Dan and the network to end it. It doesn't seem this way though. Dan tweeted that he would love to film a series finale if the network and cast was up for it. It sounds to me it ended unexpectedly.
I think there has to be some sort of reason it was cancelled (or ended, whatever the term is). They could have lasted longer, especially since it was so profitable and successful in ratings. I honestly think the 2 spinoffs have something to do with it. There are great shows that have ended earlier than it should have, but it's more because of ratings or the writer. Victorious never had these types of problems.
A show can end for a number of reasons guys, spin off or not. If Dan said the spin off didn't cause it, then likely the spin off didn't cause it. A show can end because of stuff like the reason given 60 episode (Maybe consider whether or not Dan only signed Victorious on for 60 episodes). Other things, like casts moving on or wanting to end it can cause it. If actors get tired of doing something or get upset with something, perhaps they just quit, and there's really no replacing said actor, then the show has to end. Especially if they can't just simply write the actor out.
For example, say with iCarly, let's say Nathan got completely pissed off about all the hate Madison was getting, say he got tired of the fanwars and just wasn't strong enough to put up with it as he did and so he quit, or if Miranda herself quit, then iCarly would have ended right then and there. The fact that Dan said it was the 60 episode rule, I believe it.
Honestly, I think iCarly got some sort of special treatment that allowed it to get more than 60 episodes. It's the only show to pass that in a long time, really. D&J had about the same, Zoey had about the same, the majority had the same. Just because iCarly got more than 60 episodes, is it fair to assume that when Victorious hits 60 that the producers are lying once it ends? The spinoffs could quite literally be a coincidence.
Exactly, a lot of shows, especially Dan's shows ended because the cast wanted to move on. Drake and Josh, Zoey 101 (and some gotten written out of the show), etc all did this. All That could last longer, because they could replace cast members easily. Since his shows are successful, the show lasts until the cast is done (or Dan).
With Victorious, the cast was up for returning another season. If one or more of them were truly done or fed up with the show, Dan could have easily written a series finale episode and "ended" it properly. The cast would be aware it was ending ahead of time and not having to have a goodbye party at someone house only a few days before the announcement. It seemed unexpected to me.
I'm not saying Victorious should have lasted as long as iCarly, but it could have been renewed for another (short) season. BTR will already surpass 60 episodes since they got renewed. It's less popular than Victorious. Kenan & Kel went slightly past the 60 episode mark. I don't think 60 is a magical number, it's just the ideal amount of time before people think it's enough.
I'm not blaming Dan or accusing him of lying or anything. He's done a lot of trolling and I still like his shows, nothing would change that. I don't like when people are hating on "Sam and Cat", because I am honestly really excited and happy for it. I just think Victorious ending is suspicious on NIckelodeon's part. I can see it ending the way "The Amanda Show" ended. Everybody was up for making more episodes, but the network thought it was too much for the people involved and pulled the plug on it. And like I said, it's an unpopular theory that's not proven to be right. I'm aware of that and wouldn't hold it against Dan or anything. I've always thought Dan words things in a specific way so crazy fans don't get upset, and I thought that could be one of them.
Despite popular belief, "Drake & Josh" didn't end because actors wanted to move on, Nickelodeon canceled it, Drake Bell said so himself on his Twitter account a couple of months ago. Nickelodeon wanted Dan to create a show to appeal to the female audience, the same way Disney Channel had with "That's So Raven" and "Hannah Montana", which is how "iCarly" came to be. However, Disney Channel was still killing Nickelodeon with "Hannah Montana" being so successful. So Nickelodeon went to Dan Schneider again to created a music-centric show to be their exact answer to "Hannah Montana", that show became "Victorious". "Victorious" failed to deliver in terms huge ratings and most importantly selling merchandise (soundtracks, clothes, backpacks) like ''Hannah Montana" did, also add to the fact that "Victorious" is expensive to produce, all that money being put into the show and Nickelodeon didn't get much out of it, the best solution was to cancel it. Also, don't believe that 60-episode stuff that Dan said on his blog, "iCarly" went over 60 episodes, isn't that right.
"Drake & Josh" was canceled, but at least Nickelodeon let the producers know ahead of time before the fourth season ended production, giving the show a proper series finale ("Really Big Shrimp"), even getting a Christmas film later on. From what Dan said on his blog and what Victoria Justice said in this interview: http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1692462/victoria-justice-victorious-cancelled.jhtml, "Victorious" doesn't end properly and we'll be lucky if we get a wrap-up film at all.
