I am just curious as to what everyone out there considers to be a shipping "moment". I see a lot of people talking about Seddie or Creddie "moments", but what are they really? In my opinion, there have only been a few true moments for each ship, i.e. those that are NOT left open to our own interpretation of the situation or to what we may perceive as a significant moment for a ship. They are the ones that show a progression of their relationship – even if it is only on the basic friendship level.

True Seddie Moments:

iKiss – Sam and Freddie share their first kiss with each other.
iReunite with Missy – Sam swallows her pride and goes to Freddie for help; after his initial reluctance, he realizes he does value his friendship with Sam and gives up the chance to study at sea.
iSaved Your Life – Sam is concerned Freddie will get hurt by Carly if Carly really feels how Sam thinks she does about Freddie; Freddie takes her opinion to heart.

True Creddie Moments:

It has been stated several times in various episodes that Freddie has had a crush on Carly.
iLike Jake - Carly kisses Freddie on the nose.
iThink They Kissed – Carly is upset Freddie won't tell her what happened between him and Sam and is obviously feeling betrayed by both him and Sam.
iSpeed Date – Carly and Freddie share a dance at the Groovy Smoothie to end their awful nights on a high note.
iSaved Your Life – Carly kisses Freddie; Carly displays some obvious jealousy when another girl is trying to come on to Freddie; Carly gives Freddie a poignant kiss on the cheek for their final kiss.

But so many people consider coincidental placement of the characters as a "moment" when really, they are just that – coincidental. When I stand next to someone just because we happen to be in the same vicinity, does that mean I am having a "moment" with that person? Not very likely. Even if there are several people in the room, just because I am standing closer to one person than to the others most likely means no more than we both just happened to pick that spot because it was there.

Also, little interactions between characters that would be normal for any friendship are somehow turned into one of these "moments". I poke, touch, nudge and tease my friends all the time – none of whom I have any interest in other than friendship. And none of these interactions are designed to alter our relationship. That's not to say that people don't do things like this, especially when they are crushing on someone, but, again, that would be something that is open to interpretation so I wouldn't consider it to be a true "moment". Or else it would then be fair to say that every ship out there has an abundance of "moments".

I feel like a lot of shippers out there are seeing what they want to see in the most irrelevant things. (And I'm not gonna lie – I often get giddy when my ships interact with each other but I know deep down that I am seeing way more than is actually there and reading far to into it.) But, I could be wrong. And if I am, then Dan Schneider is a far more superior genius than I already think he is, putting all these extremely subtle allusions to a ship in there.

I realize not everyone will agree with me – but that's why I would like to hear other opinions on what constitutes a "moment".

Believe me, you're not wrong at all. Most shipping fans are completely deluded by their ships and think that any interaction between the two characters is a shipping moment.

Not trying to rag on a particular ship here, but since I see more people for Seddie, I see a lot of their delusions posted.

"Oh wow! Freddie handed Sam a glass of water, it's true love!"

"Did you notice that Sam and Freddie are standing next to each other? SEDDIE!"

I've even seen some of the extreme Seddies dissect the dang promo pictures for hints of shipping. Yes, PROMO pictures. Some actually have the nerve to get upset at the fact that Freddie may have his arm around Carly, or vice versa. It's just ridiculous sometimes.

Again, I'm not trying to rag on the general idea of Seddie, just the extremists who are psycho about everything!

I have to agree with the 1st and 2nd posts, they are true in any way, in fact, it does annoy me if seddiers are seeing one little thing and call it a "Seddie Moment" when the truth it's just a little thing not to make something big at.

Despite being a Creddie shipper, I never go the same route Seddie shippers go, as Creddiers seem to be more calm and collected (and disciplined), and not jumping to conclusions.

Well, I guess what's a shipping moment is in the opinion of the viewer. And yes, there are many insane Seddie fans, but dont deny that there are insane Creddie fans, because there are, just not as many.

Also, pscf, if you can say that Carly was jealous of Freddie in iFSM (which can be left to interpretation), then i can say Sam was jealous during the Creddie dance in iSP (which, apparently, it also up to interpretation) Hehe, speaking of which, do you guys remember the fights we had over that one scene? I remember me and someone else had a whole argument over PMs. Then we realized we werent talking about the same reasons for it being/not being

And yes, those wikia people are nutjobs, all across the fandom. I think thats where the insane Creddie fans lurk, since thats really one of the few places you see them. Insane Seddie fans however never hold back on their opinions (which i wish they would sometimes...gives shippers a bad name)

Kinda like I said (at first).

Ignore the ranting/rambling below unless you promise you won't get mad at me for it. It refers to Seddie/Creddie fights. You'll have to highlight it....

Dudes, this wasn't a thread for fighting. And anyway, how many times do we (some of us, that is) Seddie-shippers have to tell you...not all of us are like that. Sure, I'm not completely a Seddie-lover, but I don't wanna be thought of as one of those who are "overly-dramatic." If it evens it out even a little bit, whenever I go to the Creddie thread, all that's talked about is something about the "Seddiers," and anytime I'm at the Seddie thread, all that's said is something over-analysed. And that's when they're both on topic. Please, for the love of might, please don't argue on about this. Because I'm not entirely right. No one ever is. I just don't wanna come back here in the future and read a bunch of messages against me.

Anyway, I totally agree, Saylavee.

I confess...I count any moment between two people squealthat make me think "That's so cute!" as a moment, whether it is Creddie or Seddie. Iam a hardcore Seddie fan, but Ialso smile at certain moments between Carly and Freddie thatdon't really mean anything. I also count almost any interaction between Sam and Spencer as a Spam moment, because I'm a partial Spam shipper. However, I do know that they aren't "clues" or "evidence" to say they are meant to be together. I've seen many stupid Creddie and Seddie shippers who thinks Dan likes a particular ship just because he puts moments in. Well they are mostly Seddiers, butI've seen somecrazy Creddiers too. For example, when Freddie pushes Sam out of the way in iMust Have Locker 239, there are all these comments saying "Dan sooooo ships Seddie! They are going to be together, just look at how cute that was!"Sometimes it's just ridiculous.I still classify almost anything as a moment. However,2 people being next to each other orCarly's room being purple(the Seddie color) is NOT a moment. Geeez.

Ok, yes, I do agree with most of you (finally, a debate which I have an opinion on!). Yes, some of us Seddiers can get crazy. The Schwab anyone? But the thing is, anything can be defined as a 'moment'. The debate that comes into question is whether it is a big moment or a small moment. Ok, sometimes, people can go over the top with shipping through the example of the Seddie/Creddie wikia 'facts'. But then there are some of us that are level headed and sure, some moments that we consider to be a shipping moment can be over the top, but it makes it fun for us to randomly find an innocent look, nudge or smile towards our shipping preference and declare it a moment. Deep down, some of us know it's not really an official 'moment', but an unofficial one. Yeah, I'm not making any sense. But basically, some moments are official, and others are just interpretive moments.

Some Seddiers go over the top, yes, but aren't there Creddiers that do the same? I've read on some other forums of Seddiers bashing Creddiers and visa versa, when in reality, both sides do have their 'moments', big or small. I don't count standing beside each other a moment, but I do count small looks, glances, nudges and smiles because, for some ships, like Seddie, you don't get as many moments as the obvious ships, like Creddie, so we go over the top sometimes just for hope. But no, I think there are certain limitations on whether something should be counted as a 'moment' or not. So, you can't blame all of us Seddiers for being a little more crazy than Creddiers.

As you know, I am a huge fan of Seddie, but I do appreciate and like Creddie. So I don't like bashing anyone on here, but us Seddiers can get just as crazy and insane as Creddiers, but Creddiers, from what I saw, some of them get a tad too violent. I'm not directing anything at you guys, I swear! But on other websites, I've read 'Seddie sucks! It'll never happen! Creddie will prevail! Mwuhahaha!' and other....mean comments. But do remember, Dan didn't intend for there to be romance in this show, well at least not as the main focal point, so don't be surprised if nobody gets together with anyone in the end.

Whoa, I just wrote my first long post in a long time! Thank you for the person who made this topic!