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zuko's mom might teach aang how to firebend

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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [61]Aug 12, 2006
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    omichief wrote:
    well she ran away so mabye she will

    That's stupid...There someone had to say it.

    If she ever does come back her main role will be centered around Zuko and possibly Iorh if the show goes the way of "The Man In The Iron Mask" where Iroh is revealed to be Zuko's father.

    doubtful but still.

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    Colonel_Brian

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    Airawende wrote:
    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Airawende wrote:

    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    And you can't really compare me killing someone, to Ursa doing it. I have no child, and no reason to do so. But, theoretically, if I had a child right now, and someone said my child had to be killed, then yes, I completely see myself killing them.
    okay, i can totally see myself killing someone for the sake of my child but not if there was another way.
    especially if that someone was family. can you see yourself killing family to protect your son when he is heavily guarded at all times and there's another way to save him?
    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Well the bad thing is Ursa did her best to protect Zuko and now it's in vain.
    yeah, but at least he's alive.

    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    Well in Asain culture doing that means you're sacrafising you're self or it's probably her wedding gown and she'll be buried in her gown.

    Definatly not a wedding gown. I was trying to find a good picture, but couldn't. I was just a plain cloak over the clothes she was wearing the entire episode. Why would someone wear a traveling??cloak to an execution?

    Well it's FN fashion we don't know

    So fire nation fashion is to wear your wedding dress all the time?

    Sure let's say that FN fashion is so different from other nations.

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    Airawende

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    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Airawende wrote:

    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    And you can't really compare me killing someone, to Ursa doing it. I have no child, and no reason to do so. But, theoretically, if I had a child right now, and someone said my child had to be killed, then yes, I completely see myself killing them.
    okay, i can totally see myself killing someone for the sake of my child but not if there was another way.
    especially if that someone was family. can you see yourself killing family to protect your son when he is heavily guarded at all times and there's another way to save him?
    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Well the bad thing is Ursa did her best to protect Zuko and now it's in vain.
    yeah, but at least he's alive.

    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    Well in Asain culture doing that means you're sacrafising you're self or it's probably her wedding gown and she'll be buried in her gown.

    Definatly not a wedding gown. I was trying to find a good picture, but couldn't. I was just a plain cloak over the clothes she was wearing the entire episode. Why would someone wear a traveling??cloak to an execution?

    Well it's FN fashion we don't know

    So fire nation fashion is to wear your wedding dress all the time?

    Sure let's say that FN fashion is so different from other nations.

    For them being the royal family, if what Ursa was wearing was a wedding dress, then I'm disappointed. Too plain. They're royalty! A wedding gown would be rediculously dolled up.

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    neverbeenpinker

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    Airawende wrote:
    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    yeah, but just because you aren't blood doesn't mean you aren't family. and yeah, if she had a surge of adrenaline, she would probably kill azulon if he was charging at zuko with a knife, but he was only planning on killing zuko. it wasn't going to happen for at least a day or two. she had time to think. azula would have been the first to spill the beans on the whole situation, and then ursa would have gone to other people (ozai,??the executioner, etc.) to see if??azula was right or if this was her twisted idea of a joke. she would have had time to digest it a little bit. there wouldn't have been any adrenaline.

    nd a traveler's cloak proves nothing. i disagree about the wedding gown thing, but maybe she was wearing the cloak because.... i don't know, maybe the sun was just starting to come up and she didn't want anyone to see her heading down to be executed. i wouldn't want anyone to see my face. if i was going to die, i would want as little people as possible gawking at me, trying to figure out why a princess was heading down to the executioner's. she could just be hiding her face. just because it was a traveling cloak, doesn't mean she was about to travel.

    and also, in the episode (you'll probably think i'm reading too much into this, but i think it's relevant) when ursa is in zuko's room and telling him "never forget who you are, blah blah blah, everything i've done to protect you, blah blah blah" and then we hear footsteps coming from the hall. "they were coming after her" you say? "they were looking for azulon's killer" you say? the footsteps were walking. pretty slowly.if they were coming to catch her, someone would have been running. but if they were coming to collect a prisoner from a room, who wanted to say a few words to her son before she died ( ) then they wouldn't have been running.

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    neverbeenpinker

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    oh, i'm sorry. that was another long post, wasn't it? geez, i need to learn to shorten these things up a little.
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    Colonel_Brian

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    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    yeah, but just because you aren't blood doesn't mean you aren't family. and yeah, if she had a surge of adrenaline, she would probably kill azulon if he was charging at zuko with a knife, but he was only planning on killing zuko. it wasn't going to happen for at least a day or two. she had time to think. azula would have been the first to spill the beans on the whole situation, and then ursa would have gone to other people (ozai,??the executioner, etc.) to see if??azula was right or if this was her twisted idea of a joke. she would have had time to digest it a little bit. there wouldn't have been any adrenaline.

    nd a traveler's cloak proves nothing. i disagree about the wedding gown thing, but maybe she was wearing the cloak because.... i don't know, maybe the sun was just starting to come up and she didn't want anyone to see her heading down to be executed. i wouldn't want anyone to see my face. if i was going to die, i would want as little people as possible gawking at me, trying to figure out why a princess was heading down to the executioner's. she could just be hiding her face. just because it was a traveling cloak, doesn't mean she was about to travel.

    and also, in the episode (you'll probably think i'm reading too much into this, but i think it's relevant) when ursa is in zuko's room and telling him "never forget who you are, blah blah blah, everything i've done to protect you, blah blah blah" and then we hear footsteps coming from the hall. "they were coming after her" you say? "they were looking for azulon's killer" you say? the footsteps were walking. pretty slowly.if they were coming to catch her, someone would have been running. but if they were coming to collect a prisoner from a room, who wanted to say a few words to her son before she died ( ) then they wouldn't have been running.

    That was brilliant NBP you sure know you're speculating

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    Airawende

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    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    yeah, but just because you aren't blood doesn't mean you aren't family. and yeah, if she had a surge of adrenaline, she would probably kill azulon if he was charging at zuko with a knife, but he was only planning on killing zuko. it wasn't going to happen for at least a day or two. she had time to think. azula would have been the first to spill the beans on the whole situation, and then ursa would have gone to other people (ozai,??the executioner, etc.) to see if??azula was right or if this was her twisted idea of a joke. she would have had time to digest it a little bit. there wouldn't have been any adrenaline.

    nd a traveler's cloak proves nothing. i disagree about the wedding gown thing, but maybe she was wearing the cloak because.... i don't know, maybe the sun was just starting to come up and she didn't want anyone to see her heading down to be executed. i wouldn't want anyone to see my face. if i was going to die, i would want as little people as possible gawking at me, trying to figure out why a princess was heading down to the executioner's. she could just be hiding her face. just because it was a traveling cloak, doesn't mean she was about to travel.

    and also, in the episode (you'll probably think i'm reading too much into this, but i think it's relevant) when ursa is in zuko's room and telling him "never forget who you are, blah blah blah, everything i've done to protect you, blah blah blah" and then we hear footsteps coming from the hall. "they were coming after her" you say? "they were looking for azulon's killer" you say? the footsteps were walking. pretty slowly.if they were coming to catch her, someone would have been running. but if they were coming to collect a prisoner from a room, who wanted to say a few words to her son before she died ( ) then they wouldn't have been running.

    If my family wanted to kill my son, I'd have no problem killing them. They aren't my family if they want to do that. There is only so many times I can say this, so I'll leave it at that.

    The traveling cloak proves as much in my mind as the "slow" foot steps do in your's. The cloak didn't cover ALL her clothes, so anyone just looking at her could tell it was her, just by what she was wearing underneath.

    If she had time before the execution, why would she rush her goodbye to Zuko? I would think if she had the time, she would have taken it! But as it was, she shook him awake, said a few quick words and scurried off.

    The only footsteps I heard were her's. If they sounded slow, it's because before the scene faded off, she was walking.????

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    Colonel_Brian

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    Airawende wrote:
    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    yeah, but just because you aren't blood doesn't mean you aren't family. and yeah, if she had a surge of adrenaline, she would probably kill azulon if he was charging at zuko with a knife, but he was only planning on killing zuko. it wasn't going to happen for at least a day or two. she had time to think. azula would have been the first to spill the beans on the whole situation, and then ursa would have gone to other people (ozai,??the executioner, etc.) to see if??azula was right or if this was her twisted idea of a joke. she would have had time to digest it a little bit. there wouldn't have been any adrenaline.

    nd a traveler's cloak proves nothing. i disagree about the wedding gown thing, but maybe she was wearing the cloak because.... i don't know, maybe the sun was just starting to come up and she didn't want anyone to see her heading down to be executed. i wouldn't want anyone to see my face. if i was going to die, i would want as little people as possible gawking at me, trying to figure out why a princess was heading down to the executioner's. she could just be hiding her face. just because it was a traveling cloak, doesn't mean she was about to travel.

    and also, in the episode (you'll probably think i'm reading too much into this, but i think it's relevant) when ursa is in zuko's room and telling him "never forget who you are, blah blah blah, everything i've done to protect you, blah blah blah" and then we hear footsteps coming from the hall. "they were coming after her" you say? "they were looking for azulon's killer" you say? the footsteps were walking. pretty slowly.if they were coming to catch her, someone would have been running. but if they were coming to collect a prisoner from a room, who wanted to say a few words to her son before she died ( ) then they wouldn't have been running.

    If my family wanted to kill my son, I'd have no problem killing them. They aren't my family if they want to do that. There is only so many times I can say this, so I'll leave it at that.

    The traveling cloak proves as much in my mind as the "slow" foot steps do in your's. The cloak didn't cover ALL her clothes, so anyone just looking at her could tell it was her, just by what she was wearing underneath.

    If she had time before the execution, why would she rush her goodbye to Zuko? I would think if she had the time, she would have taken it! But as it was, she shook him awake, said a few quick words and scurried off.

    The only footsteps I heard were her's. If they sounded slow, it's because before the scene faded off, she was walking.????

    If those foot steps were her's then why were they coming from the hallway? Could Azula be plotting.

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    Airawende

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    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    yeah, but just because you aren't blood doesn't mean you aren't family. and yeah, if she had a surge of adrenaline, she would probably kill azulon if he was charging at zuko with a knife, but he was only planning on killing zuko. it wasn't going to happen for at least a day or two. she had time to think. azula would have been the first to spill the beans on the whole situation, and then ursa would have gone to other people (ozai,??the executioner, etc.) to see if??azula was right or if this was her twisted idea of a joke. she would have had time to digest it a little bit. there wouldn't have been any adrenaline.

    nd a traveler's cloak proves nothing. i disagree about the wedding gown thing, but maybe she was wearing the cloak because.... i don't know, maybe the sun was just starting to come up and she didn't want anyone to see her heading down to be executed. i wouldn't want anyone to see my face. if i was going to die, i would want as little people as possible gawking at me, trying to figure out why a princess was heading down to the executioner's. she could just be hiding her face. just because it was a traveling cloak, doesn't mean she was about to travel.

    and also, in the episode (you'll probably think i'm reading too much into this, but i think it's relevant) when ursa is in zuko's room and telling him "never forget who you are, blah blah blah, everything i've done to protect you, blah blah blah" and then we hear footsteps coming from the hall. "they were coming after her" you say? "they were looking for azulon's killer" you say? the footsteps were walking. pretty slowly.if they were coming to catch her, someone would have been running. but if they were coming to collect a prisoner from a room, who wanted to say a few words to her son before she died ( ) then they wouldn't have been running.

    If my family wanted to kill my son, I'd have no problem killing them. They aren't my family if they want to do that. There is only so many times I can say this, so I'll leave it at that.

    The traveling cloak proves as much in my mind as the "slow" foot steps do in your's. The cloak didn't cover ALL her clothes, so anyone just looking at her could tell it was her, just by what she was wearing underneath.

    If she had time before the execution, why would she rush her goodbye to Zuko? I would think if she had the time, she would have taken it! But as it was, she shook him awake, said a few quick words and scurried off.

    The only footsteps I heard were her's. If they sounded slow, it's because before the scene faded off, she was walking.????

    If those foot steps were her's then why were they coming from the hallway? Could Azula be plotting.

    Oh, you meant those footsteps? They sound like a guard just making the rounds to me. I don't think anyone knows what she did at this point. She needs to leave before anyone finds out

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    Airawende wrote:
    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    yeah, but just because you aren't blood doesn't mean you aren't family. and yeah, if she had a surge of adrenaline, she would probably kill azulon if he was charging at zuko with a knife, but he was only planning on killing zuko. it wasn't going to happen for at least a day or two. she had time to think. azula would have been the first to spill the beans on the whole situation, and then ursa would have gone to other people (ozai,??the executioner, etc.) to see if??azula was right or if this was her twisted idea of a joke. she would have had time to digest it a little bit. there wouldn't have been any adrenaline.

    nd a traveler's cloak proves nothing. i disagree about the wedding gown thing, but maybe she was wearing the cloak because.... i don't know, maybe the sun was just starting to come up and she didn't want anyone to see her heading down to be executed. i wouldn't want anyone to see my face. if i was going to die, i would want as little people as possible gawking at me, trying to figure out why a princess was heading down to the executioner's. she could just be hiding her face. just because it was a traveling cloak, doesn't mean she was about to travel.

    and also, in the episode (you'll probably think i'm reading too much into this, but i think it's relevant) when ursa is in zuko's room and telling him "never forget who you are, blah blah blah, everything i've done to protect you, blah blah blah" and then we hear footsteps coming from the hall. "they were coming after her" you say? "they were looking for azulon's killer" you say? the footsteps were walking. pretty slowly.if they were coming to catch her, someone would have been running. but if they were coming to collect a prisoner from a room, who wanted to say a few words to her son before she died ( ) then they wouldn't have been running.

    If my family wanted to kill my son, I'd have no problem killing them. They aren't my family if they want to do that. There is only so many times I can say this, so I'll leave it at that.

    The traveling cloak proves as much in my mind as the "slow" foot steps do in your's. The cloak didn't cover ALL her clothes, so anyone just looking at her could tell it was her, just by what she was wearing underneath.

    If she had time before the execution, why would she rush her goodbye to Zuko? I would think if she had the time, she would have taken it! But as it was, she shook him awake, said a few quick words and scurried off.

    The only footsteps I heard were her's. If they sounded slow, it's because before the scene faded off, she was walking.????

    If those foot steps were her's then why were they coming from the hallway? Could Azula be plotting.

    Oh, you meant those footsteps? They sound like a guard just making the rounds to me. I don't think anyone knows what she did at this point. She needs to leave before anyone finds out

    She did leave.

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    soccerdawg76 wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    Colonel_Brian wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    yeah, but just because you aren't blood doesn't mean you aren't family. and yeah, if she had a surge of adrenaline, she would probably kill azulon if he was charging at zuko with a knife, but he was only planning on killing zuko. it wasn't going to happen for at least a day or two. she had time to think. azula would have been the first to spill the beans on the whole situation, and then ursa would have gone to other people (ozai,??the executioner, etc.) to see if??azula was right or if this was her twisted idea of a joke. she would have had time to digest it a little bit. there wouldn't have been any adrenaline.

    nd a traveler's cloak proves nothing. i disagree about the wedding gown thing, but maybe she was wearing the cloak because.... i don't know, maybe the sun was just starting to come up and she didn't want anyone to see her heading down to be executed. i wouldn't want anyone to see my face. if i was going to die, i would want as little people as possible gawking at me, trying to figure out why a princess was heading down to the executioner's. she could just be hiding her face. just because it was a traveling cloak, doesn't mean she was about to travel.

    and also, in the episode (you'll probably think i'm reading too much into this, but i think it's relevant) when ursa is in zuko's room and telling him "never forget who you are, blah blah blah, everything i've done to protect you, blah blah blah" and then we hear footsteps coming from the hall. "they were coming after her" you say? "they were looking for azulon's killer" you say? the footsteps were walking. pretty slowly.if they were coming to catch her, someone would have been running. but if they were coming to collect a prisoner from a room, who wanted to say a few words to her son before she died ( ) then they wouldn't have been running.

    If my family wanted to kill my son, I'd have no problem killing them. They aren't my family if they want to do that. There is only so many times I can say this, so I'll leave it at that.

    The traveling cloak proves as much in my mind as the "slow" foot steps do in your's. The cloak didn't cover ALL her clothes, so anyone just looking at her could tell it was her, just by what she was wearing underneath.

    If she had time before the execution, why would she rush her goodbye to Zuko? I would think if she had the time, she would have taken it! But as it was, she shook him awake, said a few quick words and scurried off.

    The only footsteps I heard were her's. If they sounded slow, it's because before the scene faded off, she was walking.????

    If those foot steps were her's then why were they coming from the hallway? Could Azula be plotting.

    Oh, you meant those footsteps? They sound like a guard just making the rounds to me. I don't think anyone knows what she did at this point. She needs to leave before anyone finds out

    She did leave.

    Yes but she could of been murdered by somebody.

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    Airawende wrote:
    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    yeah, but just because you aren't blood doesn't mean you aren't family. and yeah, if she had a surge of adrenaline, she would probably kill azulon if he was charging at zuko with a knife, but he was only planning on killing zuko. it wasn't going to happen for at least a day or two. she had time to think. azula would have been the first to spill the beans on the whole situation, and then ursa would have gone to other people (ozai,??the executioner, etc.) to see if??azula was right or if this was her twisted idea of a joke. she would have had time to digest it a little bit. there wouldn't have been any adrenaline.

    nd a traveler's cloak proves nothing. i disagree about the wedding gown thing, but maybe she was wearing the cloak because.... i don't know, maybe the sun was just starting to come up and she didn't want anyone to see her heading down to be executed. i wouldn't want anyone to see my face. if i was going to die, i would want as little people as possible gawking at me, trying to figure out why a princess was heading down to the executioner's. she could just be hiding her face. just because it was a traveling cloak, doesn't mean she was about to travel.

    and also, in the episode (you'll probably think i'm reading too much into this, but i think it's relevant) when ursa is in zuko's room and telling him "never forget who you are, blah blah blah, everything i've done to protect you, blah blah blah" and then we hear footsteps coming from the hall. "they were coming after her" you say? "they were looking for azulon's killer" you say? the footsteps were walking. pretty slowly.if they were coming to catch her, someone would have been running. but if they were coming to collect a prisoner from a room, who wanted to say a few words to her son before she died ( ) then they wouldn't have been running.

    If my family wanted to kill my son, I'd have no problem killing them. They aren't my family if they want to do that. There is only so many times I can say this, so I'll leave it at that.

    The traveling cloak proves as much in my mind as the "slow" foot steps do in your's. The cloak didn't cover ALL her clothes, so anyone just looking at her could tell it was her, just by what she was wearing underneath.

    If she had time before the execution, why would she rush her goodbye to Zuko? I would think if she had the time, she would have taken it! But as it was, she shook him awake, said a few quick words and scurried off.

    The only footsteps I heard were her's. If they sounded slow, it's because before the scene faded off, she was walking.????


    okay, this is how i see it happening in my mind: azulon tells ozai that he must know the pain of losing a firstborn son, blah blah blah and then azula spills the beans to ursa about it and then ursa tells azulon that she will give herself up instead. then as a last request sort of thing (she is royalty, after all) she is allowed a few minutes alone with her son to say goodbye (in a sense) and she tells him that she's protecting him and then she hears the footsteps of the guard coming to get her because her time is up. so she rushes to give him a last peice of motherly wisdom (never forget who you are) and then pulls her hood up and leaves.

    but, i'll give you that first part. i guess if i was a mother, i'd probably kill him too. but it's almost impossible to kill a king. he's got to have knights and guards everywhere he goes. they'd probably be standing at every door.
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    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    neverbeenpinker wrote:
    Airawende wrote:
    She's not a blood relative of Azulon, only by marriage are they related. I do not see sacrificing yourself as another option. I was actually talking to my mother about this today, I asked her what she would do. She said mothers will ALWAYS do anything to protect thier child. Even if it is something uncharactistic. You see, there is a phenominon associated with mothers when their children are in danger. The adrenaline gives them to ability to do almost anything to save the child. If it meant killing someone, so be it. I believe she has more love for her son, her own flesh, who was born of her body, than for a man who she is related to only by marriage, who can so easily order her son dead. Sure, she would be remorseful, but in the end, she did what she had to to keep her son alive.

    And also, when she was leaving at the end, she was wearing a traveler's cloak, and put the hood up over her head. To me, she looked like she was going somewhere, and in a rush!

    yeah, but just because you aren't blood doesn't mean you aren't family. and yeah, if she had a surge of adrenaline, she would probably kill azulon if he was charging at zuko with a knife, but he was only planning on killing zuko. it wasn't going to happen for at least a day or two. she had time to think. azula would have been the first to spill the beans on the whole situation, and then ursa would have gone to other people (ozai,??the executioner, etc.) to see if??azula was right or if this was her twisted idea of a joke. she would have had time to digest it a little bit. there wouldn't have been any adrenaline.

    nd a traveler's cloak proves nothing. i disagree about the wedding gown thing, but maybe she was wearing the cloak because.... i don't know, maybe the sun was just starting to come up and she didn't want anyone to see her heading down to be executed. i wouldn't want anyone to see my face. if i was going to die, i would want as little people as possible gawking at me, trying to figure out why a princess was heading down to the executioner's. she could just be hiding her face. just because it was a traveling cloak, doesn't mean she was about to travel.

    and also, in the episode (you'll probably think i'm reading too much into this, but i think it's relevant) when ursa is in zuko's room and telling him "never forget who you are, blah blah blah, everything i've done to protect you, blah blah blah" and then we hear footsteps coming from the hall. "they were coming after her" you say? "they were looking for azulon's killer" you say? the footsteps were walking. pretty slowly.if they were coming to catch her, someone would have been running. but if they were coming to collect a prisoner from a room, who wanted to say a few words to her son before she died ( ) then they wouldn't have been running.

    If my family wanted to kill my son, I'd have no problem killing them. They aren't my family if they want to do that. There is only so many times I can say this, so I'll leave it at that.

    The traveling cloak proves as much in my mind as the "slow" foot steps do in your's. The cloak didn't cover ALL her clothes, so anyone just looking at her could tell it was her, just by what she was wearing underneath.

    If she had time before the execution, why would she rush her goodbye to Zuko? I would think if she had the time, she would have taken it! But as it was, she shook him awake, said a few quick words and scurried off.

    The only footsteps I heard were her's. If they sounded slow, it's because before the scene faded off, she was walking.????
    okay, this is how i see it happening in my mind: azulon tells ozai that he must know the pain of losing a firstborn son, blah blah blah and then azula spills the beans to ursa about it and then ursa tells azulon that she will give herself up instead. then as a last request sort of thing (she is royalty, after all) she is allowed a few minutes alone with her son to say goodbye (in a sense) and she tells him that she's protecting him and then she hears the footsteps of the guard coming to get her because her time is up. so she rushes to give him a last peice of motherly wisdom (never forget who you are) and then pulls her hood up and leaves. but, i'll give you that first part. i guess if i was a mother, i'd probably kill him too. but it's almost impossible to kill a king. he's got to have knights and guards everywhere he goes. they'd probably be standing at every door.

    Because in the scene before there were a ton of guards...

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    you mean in the war room? well, sure there weren't any guards in the room, ozai had requested a private audience. you think he wanted the world to know he was trying to scoop the throne out from under his own brother right after his son died?

    but, i'm sure the second you stepped out of there, there wouold have been a dozen guards lined up right outside that war room.
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    Point taken.
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    Ok.I believe that she did NOT die in Zuko's place.Wife and son are different and are you trying to mess up zuko more?If ursa died because she was trying to keep her son alive and zuko finds out well..and if iroh had not come along with zuko than he would be back in the FN so if these kind of thoughts come to zuko well..I dont think they would do that.zuko would be in the worse pain well close but probable in the worse pain possibe and the most pain any one has ever been.those thoughts alone should make you realize that ursa could not have died in zuko's place.And this is my 100 post.
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    Hoshie26

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    I ment 200.
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    neverbeenpinker

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    Hoshie26 wrote:
    Ok.I believe that she did NOT die in Zuko's place.Wife and son are different and are you trying to mess up zuko more?If ursa died because she was trying to keep her son alive and zuko finds out well..and if iroh had not come along with zuko than he would be back in the FN so if these kind of thoughts come to zuko well..I dont think they would do that.zuko would be in the worse pain well close but probable in the worse pain possibe and the most pain any one has ever been.those thoughts alone should make you realize that ursa could not have died in zuko's place.


    no. they don't.

    so your only defense to ursa not dying in zuko's place is because it would hurt poor zuko's feelings? too bad! this is life! (well, in a manner of speaking) if the writers were so concerned about the character's feelings, then Yue would still be alive, Sokka wouldn't have been able to blame himself for it, Gyatso's skeleton wouldn't have been hanging out in that chamber aang found him in, zuko would never have gotten banished, the list goes on! basically, if they were that worried about the characters' feelings, you might as well rename the show "spongebob" and call it a day.

    and even if we're not dredging up the old "it's the creators' story, not ours" argument, then you can't really argue that that could never happen because it would traumatize zuko. like i said, this is life. his life just happens to suck more than others.
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    Here something..

    Rember when ursa was talking to zuko for the last time well after she said "Zuko,Plesa my Love list everything I done for you is to protect you".Then there was a little pause and you can hear foot steaps of grauds or some one eles,but it was king of more than one person.She look worried.Mabey she was souppost to get killed but espace.
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    neverbeenpinker

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    avatardanny13 wrote:
    Here something..

    Rember when ursa was talking to zuko for the last time well after she said "Zuko,Plesa my Love list everything I done for you is to protect you".Then there was a little pause and you can hear foot steaps of grauds or some one eles,but it was king of more than one person.She look worried.Mabey she was souppost to get killed but espace.


    but then why would the guards have been coming after her? if she was going to sacrifice herself, then she wouldn't have run because then they would just kill zuko anyway. and she would have looked scared in any scenario: if they were coming to execute her, if they were coming to arrest her for murder. it's not reaally a clue, but i guess it is worth noting.
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