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Zhao Dead or Not?

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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [21]Feb 19, 2006
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    I have a new theory for why Zhao is alive. The Moon and Ocean spirits are all about balance right? Push and Pull and all that, well think of it like this the Moon spirit absorbed the life of a good person Yue so the Ocean spirit would theoretically have to absorbed the life of an evil person to keep the balance.

    And think of it like this the Moon spirit was the white with the black dot which symbolizes Good so Yue was fused with the spirit.

    And the Ocean was Black with a white spot symbolizing evil so Zhao being evil would be fused to keep the balance even.

    Yes?
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    chinafigure

    [22]Feb 20, 2006
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    I don't really know whether Zhao is dead or not. If the writers want to bring him back, then let them bring him back. Personally, I think it would be really weird, and might even hold the plot back, if he just returned from the dead out of nowhere.
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    Cosmic_Angel

    [23]Feb 20, 2006
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    chinafigure wrote:
    I don't really know whether Zhao is dead or not. If the writers want to bring him back, then let them bring him back. Personally, I think it would be really weird, and might even hold the plot back, if he just returned from the dead out of nowhere.


    Yeah, I agree. IMO, I don't want Zhao to come back. Zula would probably make a greater villian. Family rivaly. I like it!!!



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    KilalaRose

    [24]Apr 1, 2006
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    I just think that Zhao is dead, but he will show up in the Spirit World in an episode or something.
    Edited on 04/01/2006 2:35pm
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    Songoftheskies

    [25]Apr 1, 2006
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    Yeah, he's coming back. Villains usually do. It's classic. You think they're dead, but then they pop out from somewhere, much more powerful than before, and try to kill the main character.

    I like the Holding Zone idea, but he would never join Aang's or the rebel firebender's side. He's out for his own gain. Actually, he reminds me a bit of Frank Archer from Fullmetal Alchemist.
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    Murraymuzz

    [26]Oct 26, 2006
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    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    I have a new theory for why Zhao is alive. The Moon and Ocean spirits are all about balance right? Push and Pull and all that, well think of it like this the Moon spirit absorbed the life of a good person Yue so the Ocean spirit would theoretically have to absorbed the life of an evil person to keep the balance. And think of it like this the Moon spirit was the white with the black dot which symbolizes Good so Yue was fused with the spirit. And the Ocean was Black with a white spot symbolizing evil so Zhao being evil would be fused to keep the balance even. Yes?


    Well you have to remember that the good spirit had died and it drew Yue's life force to bring it back to life, so why would the black fish need to drain Zhao's life if everything was already balanced out again.
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    masterofaeons

    [27]Oct 26, 2006
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    I think the creators confirmed his death in the commentary. But I would like to see a cybernetically enhanced Zhao return.
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    Eman5805

    [28]Oct 26, 2006
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    Damn...someone dug this thread from outta the abyss...but well to stay on (very very old) topic...I think Zhao is "dead" as in his body was underwater too long so it's been destroyed but I think his spirit is alive??and we could see it again at some point...
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    Leodegarioiii

    [29]Oct 26, 2006
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    Zhao i burning in hell... but he can't bend the fire so he is really enjoing his eternal stay.
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    dumbTVnut

    [30]Oct 26, 2006
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    masterofaeons wrote:
    I think the creators confirmed his death in the commentary. But I would like to see a cybernetically enhanced Zhao return.


    That would be great!, For some reason it reminds me of gunslinger girls:

    Gman: Hey little girl, yeah it sad that your family died and that horrible things were done to your body, but there is a way we can fix it all.
    Girl: how?
    Gman: Well we can cybernetic rebuild you, make you better, faster, stronger, you???ll have the strength of 100 little girls, you???ll be able to lift a pony! Plus we brainwash you with this solution of nanorobots, so you'll forget about your horrible past and look forward to your future as a super-assassin that no one will suspect. Girl: Sounds kind of like the Bourne Identity, but with little girls.
    Gman: Basically it is! In fact you even have depressing debilitating mental problems brought on by all the conditioning.

    I don't know why but for some reasons I see Zhao not as a GitS cyborg of somekind, but as a "Do I look pretty in this dress" cyborg.
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    windseeker15

    [31]Oct 26, 2006
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    Airbenderluver wrote:
    I think Zhao could have swam back up after aang pulled him down.


    That wasn't Aang, the Ocean spirit let him go before cathcing Zhao.
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    IdeaFan

    [32]Oct 27, 2006
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    I think Zhao was pulled into the spirit world. Why?

    What worse fate can a spirit do to a mortal then to take them to the spirit world, where they can't bend and can be tormented for a longer time by things that would terrify normal people.

    Like, Koh. Knowing Zhao's disposition, he might team up with Koh to crossover to the natural world.

    I doubt that he will have his standing in the Fire Nation. As he was quickly replaced by??Azula.

    Azula is to Zuko, as Zhao is to Iroh.

    When he meets up with Zuko and Iroh, it might be too much for Iroh. That would push Zuko to side with the Avatar to take down all that Zhao represented, the Fire Nation.

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    Murraymuzz

    [33]Oct 27, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    masterofaeons wrote:
    I think the creators confirmed his death in the commentary. But I would like to see a cybernetically enhanced Zhao return.
    That would be great!, For some reason it reminds me of gunslinger girls: Gman: Hey little girl, yeah it sad that your family died and that horrible things were done to your body, but there is a way we can fix it all. Girl: how? Gman: Well we can cybernetic rebuild you, make you better, faster, stronger, you???ll have the strength of 100 little girls, you???ll be able to lift a pony! Plus we brainwash you with this solution of nanorobots, so you'll forget about your horrible past and look forward to your future as a super-assassin that no one will suspect. Girl: Sounds kind of like the Bourne Identity, but with little girls. Gman: Basically it is! In fact you even have depressing debilitating mental problems brought on by all the conditioning. I don't know why but for some reasons I see Zhao not as a GitS cyborg of somekind, but as a "Do I look pretty in this dress" cyborg.

    Lol, i like your randomness.....
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    Eman5805

    [34]Oct 27, 2006
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    Imagine Zuko's shock if Zhao returns in some quasi human spirit body looking for some revenge...he'd probably go after Aang too but that would be tight as hell lil moment if I do say so myself...and I do say so
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    dumbTVnut

    [35]Oct 27, 2006
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    Eman5805 wrote:
    Imagine Zuko's shock if Zhao returns in some quasi human spirit body looking for some revenge...he'd probably go after Aang too but that would be tight as hell lil moment if I do say so myself...and I do say so


    The guys from Bleach jump in and excise him.
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    Eman5805

    [36]Oct 27, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
    Eman5805 wrote:
    Imagine Zuko's shock if Zhao returns in some quasi human spirit body looking for some revenge...he'd probably go after Aang too but that would be tight as hell lil moment if I do say so myself...and I do say so
    The guys from Bleach jump in and excise him.

    Damn that's right it would be ripping off Bleach...da well

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    Akiyalover

    [37]Oct 27, 2006
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    We're going to end up seeing him again just like we saw jet.
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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [38]Oct 27, 2006
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    Murraymuzz wrote:
    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    I have a new theory for why Zhao is alive. The Moon and Ocean spirits are all about balance right? Push and Pull and all that, well think of it like this the Moon spirit absorbed the life of a good person Yue so the Ocean spirit would theoretically have to absorbed the life of an evil person to keep the balance. And think of it like this the Moon spirit was the white with the black dot which symbolizes Good so Yue was fused with the spirit. And the Ocean was Black with a white spot symbolizing evil so Zhao being evil would be fused to keep the balance even. Yes?


    Well you have to remember that the good spirit had died and it drew Yue's life force to bring it back to life, so why would the black fish need to drain Zhao's life if everything was already balanced out again.

    They are Ying and Yang what one side has the other has only the reverse of that. So if the Moon has the spirit of a human in it then the Ocean would also have to have one or else it wouldn't be balanced between the two.

    Also: Wow I thought this thread had long ago died

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    masterarrowhead

    [39]Oct 27, 2006
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    I hate to to tell you Ispeakthetruth but the creators stated in the 5th dvd of book one that Zhao was killed by the ocean spirit and that he will not return. tha was straight for michael's and brians mouth. if you don't believe me listen to the audio commentary of book1 chapter20 and find out for yourself.
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    dumbTVnut

    [40]Oct 27, 2006
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    Yeah he is died, the only reason people argue about it is that because his death was very ambiguous, most likely because of G rating issue. If he had gone out in a really bloody way being dismembered and then his last moments of existence he spent unloading in his pants, we would not be having this argument.

    I hope they manage to kill Iroh, Toph and Azula is a more defintive way (not like above though).
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