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Zhao Dead or Not?

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    Colonel_Brian

    [61]Oct 27, 2006
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    Fronzel wrote:

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    IT was duty the fire nation fight for there country it's not always there evil, hell the Earth kingdom is worse but anyway the waterbenders defended themselves but believe it or not they were in war as well the fire nation had a right because they were also in the war so you can't blame anyone.

    What a wishy-washy, believe-in-nothing, blas??, lay-down lazy thing to say. The Fire Nation is waging a war of imperialist aggression against the whole world, and have already annihilated one people in the course. Of course you can blame them! War is not OK! Loyally serving an evil cause is a sin.

    It's not a sin the fire lord isn't some Satan guy he's corrupted but not entirely eviil Sozin is to blame Ozai is just a shadow of the past fire lords cause war is okay if for the right reasons now don't get all nationist with the other nations there to blame as well. This happened over a hundred years ago were not all sure about the war only Sozin took advantage of the upgrade he discovered it could of been the Earth kingdoms fault so their is no real sin like you sadly proclaimed.

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    Fronzel

    [62]Oct 27, 2006
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    Trying to put your boot on everyone's head sounds pretty sinful to me, not to mention genocide.

    "For the right reason" is highly subjective, but is the vanity and greed of imperilism such a right reason?

    Edited on 10/27/2006 10:36pm
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    Colonel_Brian

    [63]Oct 27, 2006
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    CoughSozinCough the firelord did that the army doesn't need to rebel cause thats treason! The people to blame is Sozin he started the war he did the genocide and he made it last for a long time Azulon andOzai just claimed land in a violent but in a proper war way.
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    Fronzel

    [64]Oct 27, 2006
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    Crimes do not cease to matter because they happened in the past.

    Theft through murder is not proper.

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    Colonel_Brian

    [65]Oct 27, 2006
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    Well look at this way the Fire Nation is doing there job in the moral code they believe while the others do theirs.

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    Fronzel

    [66]Oct 27, 2006
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    But non-cooperation with evil is possible. Jeong-Jeong deserted and as far as we know, once he personally felt the effects of war, Iroh immediately retired (taking an army with him) and never made war again.

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    Colonel_Brian

    [67]Oct 27, 2006
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    Many soldiers feel that way in war no one is evil just corrupted but in cases the soldiers have feelings they just want the war to end so they can be at peace maybe not with the enemy they were brainwahsed to believe

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    Fronzel

    [68]Oct 27, 2006
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    The individual soldier may not be evil, but they're all part of a system that is perpetrating evil on a vast scale.
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    Colonel_Brian

    [69]Oct 27, 2006
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    Yes your right but still the indivual isn't evil hell they have puppet shows to make the children patriot to their nation without knowing the struggling of the real war.

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    bag2218

    [70]Oct 28, 2006
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    dumbTVnut wrote:
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    it's unlikely for Nick to have a show where someone gets killed so he might come back.
    They openly killed Princess Yue.

    who said she was dead, the show has alot of time left before it ends she might come back too.

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    supergodjinrai

    [71]Oct 28, 2006
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    ISpeakTheTruth wrote:
    Well we have never seen Zhao take orders from any one and Fire Lord Ozai himself sent a massage to him telling him he was promoted. I think that he is second in command of the army.
    That's because we haven't seen him interact with many other officers, & speaking of his promotion during the episode "The Blue Spirit" he tried to convince another officer of the same rank (can't remember if he was an army Colonel or a Navy Captain) to let him use his garrison's elite group of archers, but the other captain wouldn't hear of it. When Zhao got promoted, things quickly changed, and his request became an order. My point is that Zhao still has to answer to someone other than Fire Lord Ozai. Even if he was an admiral, he was still junior to the other admirals who are above his rank (there's more than one type of admiral, just like there's more than one general btw). Also, the message from the Fire Lord announcing his promotion is nothing. In the military, the president issues appointments and promotions to people that he (or maybe one day she) has never met. It doesn't show that he is/isn't any more favored than any other officer.
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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [72]Oct 29, 2006
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    Fronzel wrote:

    Crimes do not cease to matter because they happened in the past.

    Theft through murder is not proper.

    Understand that the FN from a hundred years ago and the FN now aren't the same people. Sozin was the monster that killed the air nomads but think about this every time the FN captures a city they never kill the citizens living in it they just occupy the city and collect taxes...That's not evil that's trying to leave civilians out of the war.

    Second Sozin's goals and Ozai's goals are completely different, Sozin would have killed everyone??in the world starting with the nomads and ending probably with the EK. Ozai has no intention of killing everyone just to kill them. Remember in the "Southern Air Temple" episode Zuko said: If my father thinks the other nations will follow him willingly...." See Ozai's plan is to have the other nations under his not to kill them.

    So the FN attacking the North Pole werent' monsters.

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