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Iroh is my favorite character, but after Mako died, Iroh's role really took a back seat. I think Iroh should have had a bigger role in book 3. I think Greg Baldwin did a good job with Iroh, but the scene when Zuko finally finds Iroh felt a bit generic. Mako had this quality to his voice that transcend the animated screen. WHAT DO YOU THINK?
| Axrendale wrote: |
| It had nothing to do with Mako's death. Bryke have said in an interview that Iroh was always going to have a small role in Season 3, Mako or no. It's a simple fact that there comes a time in the story when the "wise mentor" character has to depart - this was not Iroh's story - he has to leave so that the heroes can learn to grow up and start acting by themselves without having him around to save the day when everything goes wrong. Iroh was not present much in B3 for the same reason that Yoda and Obi-wan were dead in the last Star Wars movie, why Dumbledore was killed in the 6th Harry Potter book, why Gandalf was dragged down into a pit by the balrog just when his friends really needed him, why Merlin was killed some time before King Arthur's greatest battle, why Enkidu dies just when Gilgamesh needs him most, etc. It's part of the "Hero's Journey" storyline that Avatar has adhered to. |
| Axrendale wrote: |
| It had nothing to do with Mako's death. Bryke have said in an interview that Iroh was always going to have a small role in Season 3, Mako or no. It's a simple fact that there comes a time in the story when the "wise mentor" character has to depart - this was not Iroh's story - he has to leave so that the heroes can learn to grow up and start acting by themselves without having him around to save the day when everything goes wrong. Iroh was not present much in B3 for the same reason that Yoda and Obi-wan were dead in the last Star Wars movie, why Dumbledore was killed in the 6th Harry Potter book, why Gandalf was dragged down into a pit by the balrog just when his friends really needed him, why Merlin was killed some time before King Arthur's greatest battle, why Enkidu dies just when Gilgamesh needs him most, etc. It's part of the "Hero's Journey" storyline that Avatar has adhered to. |
Iroh was just a wise guide for Zuko when he was trying to find his own destiny.
i think Iroh guided Zuko very well.
You cant have every character as a main character.
some characters are gonna have less role than someone.
It was Iroh who helped Zuko think straight and taught him lightning. if it wasnt for him, he wouldve died in the Finale, and the Day of Eclipse.
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Actually, no - I've never watched it.
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Technically, it's former Star Wars freak. Any remaining fanaticism for the franchise remaining in me died when I first saw Avatar. Still, the experience never left me, and still comes in handy every now and then.
| WiseLad wrote: |
| main roles Sokka, Aang, Katara, Zuko and Toph Strong secondary roles Iroh and Azula, with maybe Suki toward the end taking aside the story of Sozin and Roku(and even at that, Aang "watching it", and Zuko reading it )no other characters were usually by themselves in a whole story(Iroh a little at BSS tales, and Azula a little when looking for Ty lee and Mai) at book 1 and 2 Iroh was shown a lot because he was with Zuko |
I agree with most of that, but I don't think that Toph is really a main role. Petty much the only episodes that really revolved around her were The Blind Bandit and The Runaway.
| Axrendale wrote: |
| It had nothing to do with Mako's death. Bryke have said in an interview that Iroh was always going to have a small role in Season 3, Mako or no. It's a simple fact that there comes a time in the story when the "wise mentor" character has to depart - this was not Iroh's story - he has to leave so that the heroes can learn to grow up and start acting by themselves without having him around to save the day when everything goes wrong. Iroh was not present much in B3 for the same reason that Yoda and Obi-wan were dead in the last Star Wars movie, why Dumbledore was killed in the 6th Harry Potter book, why Gandalf was dragged down into a pit by the balrog just when his friends really needed him, why Merlin was killed some time before King Arthur's greatest battle, why Enkidu dies just when Gilgamesh needs him most, etc. It's part of the "Hero's Journey" storyline that Avatar has adhered to. |
| Axrendale wrote: | ||
I agree with most of that, but I don't think that Toph is really a main role. Petty much the only episodes that really revolved around her were The Blind Bandit and The Runaway. |
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Important characters need important goals and of course emotional turmoil. Aang had to save the world from the forces of tyranny despite insurmountable odds and self-doubt, Zuko had to choose his destiny: family and country or the world; what he desires and what is right, Sokka had to prove he was a warrior and leader to everyone including himself, and Katara had to help everyone because she feels responsible for everyone around her after her mom died.
Toph had to teach Aang Earthbending...that's pretty much it. After that she didn't HAVE to do anything else. She had an easy childhood compared to the others, who were compelled to do the things they did. She was more or less along for the ride and adventure. That's not to say she didn't do her part in helping her friends.
| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| Well, it can be argued that Toph had to decide whether to abandon her parents to help Aang or not. Of course, she willingly left, but that's a hard thing to do. |
Right. BUT, it didn't seem to be a hard choice for her to make. She seemed really happy flying on Appa at the end of "The Blind Bandit." Guilt over leaving her parents may have leaked into her mind after awhile, but she was still happy about her choice since we never saw her moping about how she wished she'd stayed home.
| MarryLarry wrote: | ||
Right. BUT, it didn't seem to be a hard choice for her to make. She seemed really happy flying on Appa at the end of "The Blind Bandit." Guilt over leaving her parents may have leaked into her mind after awhile, but she was still happy about her choice since we never saw her moping about how she wished she'd stayed home. |
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I'm not talking about choices here. I'm talking about meaningful goals and emotional turmoil.
