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    Spacerac

    [1061]Jun 23, 2008
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    Avatar has it's great points and faults.
    Naruto has it's great points and faults.
    Both shows can be enjoyed by whoever feels like watching them.
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    PerfectAgent96

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    elementavatar14 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    jonb866 wrote:
    I dint read thru this whole thread, its 2 damn long. But seriously why have a 52 page war over what goes on in a cartoon and why your fav. is the best. Besides if you wanna talk about success, at least talk about it as a real world item, NOT just over which one has better characters. On this basis, Lets break it down.. Avatar costs more to produce, thus is better animated. That makes it, Avatar:1 Naruto:0 Avatar is prime time material, easily getting 3.8 million or better viewers when new epps air. Naruto doesnt do that well. That makes it Avatar:2 Naruto:0. Avatar has a cartoon that costs a million dollars per episode to make, motion captured animation, real A-Class voice actors, toys, videogames, books, been mentioned in other shows(example, Cold Case), and has been given a 100 million Dollar Budget to do a trilogy of live action feature films ala matrix. Naruto has a manga(i think), A cartoon show that airs on cartoon networks late night block, what appears to be a 50,000 dollar budget for animation, B List actors, and a videogame. Avatar:3, Naruto:0 If you compare them like that, Avatar is leaps and bounds over Naruto.
    LMAO you have NO freakin idea what the hell your talking about. Just to burst your bubble A SINGLE episode of Naruto costs 2 MILLION dollars. That's TWICE of Avatar. It has a Manga, toys, games, all of which are BETTEr, (you can't tell me that the avatar games don't suck I mean Seriously), Naruto has famous voice actors. And who cares about a live action movie. Avatar cartoon sucks. Live action would be a disasterpiece. Take your BS to someon who cares.

    so what happened to a nice clean debate that you talked about in ur first post?

    I give respect to people who give it too me. I started of giving respect...but hey didn't get it back so hey I said forget it.
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    EarthbendingRox

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    Hey uchia, I was breezing through your blog when I found this:

    Well yesterday I was laying down on my bed and I was thinking "Wow I need to start watching another good anime.." Well I said to myself "what other popular anime is there? I already watched Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and Death Note". Well I suddenly realized that Avatar was supposed to be a popular anime so I started watching. I am currently on episode 12 and I love it. Well hopefully I will love Avatar as much as I like Naruto and Bleach.

    Posted by uchia2000, 01/20/2008 3:44pm

    What happened, why don't you like Avatar anymore?

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    Spacerac

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    EarthbendingRox wrote:
    What happened, why don't you like Avatar anymore?
    One word: Nick. Nickelodeon and their stupid hiatuses that only the die hard fans will tolerate. Casual viewers of Avatar just say f it, because Nick likes to hold on to episodes for 9 months at a time and then for another 8 months.
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    dewd4

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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    elementavatar14 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    jonb866 wrote:
    I dint read thru this whole thread, its 2 damn long. But seriously why have a 52 page war over what goes on in a cartoon and why your fav. is the best. Besides if you wanna talk about success, at least talk about it as a real world item, NOT just over which one has better characters. On this basis, Lets break it down.. Avatar costs more to produce, thus is better animated. That makes it, Avatar:1 Naruto:0 Avatar is prime time material, easily getting 3.8 million or better viewers when new epps air. Naruto doesnt do that well. That makes it Avatar:2 Naruto:0. Avatar has a cartoon that costs a million dollars per episode to make, motion captured animation, real A-Class voice actors, toys, videogames, books, been mentioned in other shows(example, Cold Case), and has been given a 100 million Dollar Budget to do a trilogy of live action feature films ala matrix. Naruto has a manga(i think), A cartoon show that airs on cartoon networks late night block, what appears to be a 50,000 dollar budget for animation, B List actors, and a videogame. Avatar:3, Naruto:0 If you compare them like that, Avatar is leaps and bounds over Naruto.
    LMAO you have NO freakin idea what the hell your talking about. Just to burst your bubble A SINGLE episode of Naruto costs 2 MILLION dollars. That's TWICE of Avatar. It has a Manga, toys, games, all of which are BETTEr, (you can't tell me that the avatar games don't suck I mean Seriously), Naruto has famous voice actors. And who cares about a live action movie. Avatar cartoon sucks. Live action would be a disasterpiece. Take your BS to someon who cares.

    so what happened to a nice clean debate that you talked about in ur first post?

    I give respect to people who give it too me. I started of giving respect...but hey didn't get it back so hey I said forget it.

    I think you lost all of your respect when you came up with the awesome idea for this thread. Do you have trouble sleeping at night because some people find avatar to be better than your precious animes.

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    dewd4

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    Yeah and just to finish off for a bit just went to your profile and hey all read this pile of rubbish:

    Me and handful of Naruto users went to the Avatar forum. They aren't half bad actually. We did pwn mostly though it went both ways.

    ...and you said you wernet a troll?

    The title was pwnageGet a freakin life. Your so coolzz cos you pwnedaszzzzz someone

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    dewd4 wrote:

    Yeah and just to finish off for a bit just went to your profile and hey all read this pile of rubbish:

    Me and handful of Naruto users went to the Avatar forum. They aren't half bad actually. We did pwn mostly though it went both ways.

    ...and you said you wernet a troll?

    The title was pwnageGet a freakin life. Your so coolzz cos you pwnedaszzzzz someone
    when did u join the coversation 6 posts ago?
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    SilverFlames

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    WTF Guys!? I thought this thing was squashed! OK, look I don't know why people startin beef, and Narutards, stop talkin crap about us like you pwned somebody or somethin, You got something to say, Shut your mouth! Or I'ma say it in a different way.

    You think it's cool that you think you pwn, you think it's cool to ignore every educative long post made by people like Eman, ha! You're joking right? Do your homework, Eat your Peanut Butter and Jelly, watch The Boiling Rock, And GTFO!!
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    volman101

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    dewd4 wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    elementavatar14 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    jonb866 wrote:
    I dint read thru this whole thread, its 2 damn long. But seriously why have a 52 page war over what goes on in a cartoon and why your fav. is the best. Besides if you wanna talk about success, at least talk about it as a real world item, NOT just over which one has better characters. On this basis, Lets break it down.. Avatar costs more to produce, thus is better animated. That makes it, Avatar:1 Naruto:0 Avatar is prime time material, easily getting 3.8 million or better viewers when new epps air. Naruto doesnt do that well. That makes it Avatar:2 Naruto:0. Avatar has a cartoon that costs a million dollars per episode to make, motion captured animation, real A-Class voice actors, toys, videogames, books, been mentioned in other shows(example, Cold Case), and has been given a 100 million Dollar Budget to do a trilogy of live action feature films ala matrix. Naruto has a manga(i think), A cartoon show that airs on cartoon networks late night block, what appears to be a 50,000 dollar budget for animation, B List actors, and a videogame. Avatar:3, Naruto:0 If you compare them like that, Avatar is leaps and bounds over Naruto.
    LMAO you have NO freakin idea what the hell your talking about. Just to burst your bubble A SINGLE episode of Naruto costs 2 MILLION dollars. That's TWICE of Avatar. It has a Manga, toys, games, all of which are BETTEr, (you can't tell me that the avatar games don't suck I mean Seriously), Naruto has famous voice actors. And who cares about a live action movie. Avatar cartoon sucks. Live action would be a disasterpiece. Take your BS to someon who cares.

    so what happened to a nice clean debate that you talked about in ur first post?

    I give respect to people who give it too me. I started of giving respect...but hey didn't get it back so hey I said forget it.

    I think you lost all of your respect when you came up with the awesome idea for this thread. Do you have trouble sleeping at night because some people find avatar to be better than your precious animes.

    after that point how in the hell does that have anything to do with him having trouble sleeping at night
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    uchia2000 wrote:
    jonb866 wrote:
    I dint read thru this whole thread, its 2 damn long. But seriously why have a 52 page war over what goes on in a cartoon and why your fav. is the best. Besides if you wanna talk about success, at least talk about it as a real world item, NOT just over which one has better characters. On this basis, Lets break it down..

    Avatar costs more to produce, thus is better animated. That makes it, Avatar:1 Naruto:0 Avatar is prime time material, easily getting 3.8 million or better viewers when new epps air. Naruto doesnt do that well. That makes it Avatar:2 Naruto:0. Avatar has a cartoon that costs a million dollars per episode to make, motion captured animation, real A-Class voice actors, toys, videogames, books, been mentioned in other shows(example, Cold Case), and has been given a 100 million Dollar Budget to do a trilogy of live action feature films ala matrix. Naruto has a manga(i think), A cartoon show that airs on cartoon networks late night block, what appears to be a 50,000 dollar budget for animation, B List actors, and a videogame. Avatar:3, Naruto:0

    If you compare them like that, Avatar is leaps and bounds over Naruto.
    You have no idea what your talking about.

    Actually, I'm forced to agree with you uchia. He doesn't. You did mention before that Naruto episodes cost more to make than Avatar episodes. And also, Naruto is a f****ng huge marketing success in Japan. Everyone loves it there. It's an obsession. People dress up like Naruto characters even when they're not at cosplays.

    But he does raise a good point. Where's the A-list Hollywood director approaching Naruto saying that he thinks it's so good he wants to make 3 big-budget live action summer blockbuster movies based on the show?
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    tomtitan wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    jonb866 wrote:
    I dint read thru this whole thread, its 2 damn long. But seriously why have a 52 page war over what goes on in a cartoon and why your fav. is the best. Besides if you wanna talk about success, at least talk about it as a real world item, NOT just over which one has better characters. On this basis, Lets break it down..

    Avatar costs more to produce, thus is better animated. That makes it, Avatar:1 Naruto:0 Avatar is prime time material, easily getting 3.8 million or better viewers when new epps air. Naruto doesnt do that well. That makes it Avatar:2 Naruto:0. Avatar has a cartoon that costs a million dollars per episode to make, motion captured animation, real A-Class voice actors, toys, videogames, books, been mentioned in other shows(example, Cold Case), and has been given a 100 million Dollar Budget to do a trilogy of live action feature films ala matrix. Naruto has a manga(i think), A cartoon show that airs on cartoon networks late night block, what appears to be a 50,000 dollar budget for animation, B List actors, and a videogame. Avatar:3, Naruto:0

    If you compare them like that, Avatar is leaps and bounds over Naruto.
    You have no idea what your talking about.

    Actually, I'm forced to agree with you uchia. He doesn't. You did mention before that Naruto episodes cost more to make than Avatar episodes. And also, Naruto is a f****ng huge marketing success in Japan. Everyone loves it there. It's an obsession. People dress up like Naruto characters even when they're not at cosplays.

    But he does raise a good point. Where's the A-list Hollywood director approaching Naruto saying that he thinks it's so good he wants to make 3 big-budget live action summer blockbuster movies based on the show?
    Um...I may be a Naruto fan. But Naruto would SUCK as a live action movie.
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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    elementavatar14 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    jonb866 wrote:
    I dint read thru this whole thread, its 2 damn long. But seriously why have a 52 page war over what goes on in a cartoon and why your fav. is the best. Besides if you wanna talk about success, at least talk about it as a real world item, NOT just over which one has better characters. On this basis, Lets break it down.. Avatar costs more to produce, thus is better animated. That makes it, Avatar:1 Naruto:0 Avatar is prime time material, easily getting 3.8 million or better viewers when new epps air. Naruto doesnt do that well. That makes it Avatar:2 Naruto:0. Avatar has a cartoon that costs a million dollars per episode to make, motion captured animation, real A-Class voice actors, toys, videogames, books, been mentioned in other shows(example, Cold Case), and has been given a 100 million Dollar Budget to do a trilogy of live action feature films ala matrix. Naruto has a manga(i think), A cartoon show that airs on cartoon networks late night block, what appears to be a 50,000 dollar budget for animation, B List actors, and a videogame. Avatar:3, Naruto:0 If you compare them like that, Avatar is leaps and bounds over Naruto.
    LMAO you have NO freakin idea what the hell your talking about. Just to burst your bubble A SINGLE episode of Naruto costs 2 MILLION dollars. That's TWICE of Avatar. It has a Manga, toys, games, all of which are BETTEr, (you can't tell me that the avatar games don't suck I mean Seriously), Naruto has famous voice actors. And who cares about a live action movie. Avatar cartoon sucks. Live action would be a disasterpiece. Take your BS to someon who cares.

    so what happened to a nice clean debate that you talked about in ur first post?

    I give respect to people who give it too me. I started of giving respect...but hey didn't get it back so hey I said forget it.


    Uhh... so because some people didn't meet your expectations, that allows you to break your word?
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    piranhapete

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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    jonb866 wrote:
    I dint read thru this whole thread, its 2 damn long. But seriously why have a 52 page war over what goes on in a cartoon and why your fav. is the best. Besides if you wanna talk about success, at least talk about it as a real world item, NOT just over which one has better characters. On this basis, Lets break it down..

    Avatar costs more to produce, thus is better animated. That makes it, Avatar:1 Naruto:0 Avatar is prime time material, easily getting 3.8 million or better viewers when new epps air. Naruto doesnt do that well. That makes it Avatar:2 Naruto:0. Avatar has a cartoon that costs a million dollars per episode to make, motion captured animation, real A-Class voice actors, toys, videogames, books, been mentioned in other shows(example, Cold Case), and has been given a 100 million Dollar Budget to do a trilogy of live action feature films ala matrix. Naruto has a manga(i think), A cartoon show that airs on cartoon networks late night block, what appears to be a 50,000 dollar budget for animation, B List actors, and a videogame. Avatar:3, Naruto:0

    If you compare them like that, Avatar is leaps and bounds over Naruto.
    You have no idea what your talking about.

    Actually, I'm forced to agree with you uchia. He doesn't. You did mention before that Naruto episodes cost more to make than Avatar episodes. And also, Naruto is a f****ng huge marketing success in Japan. Everyone loves it there. It's an obsession. People dress up like Naruto characters even when they're not at cosplays.

    But he does raise a good point. Where's the A-list Hollywood director approaching Naruto saying that he thinks it's so good he wants to make 3 big-budget live action summer blockbuster movies based on the show?
    Um...I may be a Naruto fan. But Naruto would SUCK as a live action movie.


    Hmm. Good thing it's not the show becoming one, then.
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    12321433423

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    Although I am new, I have been reading the arguments on this thread for a while now. I love Naruto and Avatar. But I have to say the Avatards have much more backing to their argument than the Narutards. I have only one question to the Naruto fans- You say that Naruto has a great plot line, action, character development, etc... However you guys actually haven't given any EXAMPLES. All you guys have done throughout this thread is refute EXAMPLES given by Avatar fans. So why don't you guys actually have a 'debate' which you said in the first post with actual info/examples- instead of personal attacks? Honestly, just dodging questions shows that this thread has been created for no reason whatsoever.

    Also, just ignoring my post rather than acknowleding it proves my point further.

    Edited on 06/23/2008 11:21am
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    uchia2000

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    tomtitan wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    jonb866 wrote:
    I dint read thru this whole thread, its 2 damn long. But seriously why have a 52 page war over what goes on in a cartoon and why your fav. is the best. Besides if you wanna talk about success, at least talk about it as a real world item, NOT just over which one has better characters. On this basis, Lets break it down..

    Avatar costs more to produce, thus is better animated. That makes it, Avatar:1 Naruto:0 Avatar is prime time material, easily getting 3.8 million or better viewers when new epps air. Naruto doesnt do that well. That makes it Avatar:2 Naruto:0. Avatar has a cartoon that costs a million dollars per episode to make, motion captured animation, real A-Class voice actors, toys, videogames, books, been mentioned in other shows(example, Cold Case), and has been given a 100 million Dollar Budget to do a trilogy of live action feature films ala matrix. Naruto has a manga(i think), A cartoon show that airs on cartoon networks late night block, what appears to be a 50,000 dollar budget for animation, B List actors, and a videogame. Avatar:3, Naruto:0

    If you compare them like that, Avatar is leaps and bounds over Naruto.
    You have no idea what your talking about.

    Actually, I'm forced to agree with you uchia. He doesn't. You did mention before that Naruto episodes cost more to make than Avatar episodes. And also, Naruto is a f****ng huge marketing success in Japan. Everyone loves it there. It's an obsession. People dress up like Naruto characters even when they're not at cosplays.

    But he does raise a good point. Where's the A-list Hollywood director approaching Naruto saying that he thinks it's so good he wants to make 3 big-budget live action summer blockbuster movies based on the show?
    There have already been 4 Naruto movies and all of them have been a huge success. Also isn't the director who is making the live action movie a really crappy director?

    EarthbendingRox wrote:

    Hey uchia, I was breezing through your blog when I found this:

    Well yesterday I was laying down on my bed and I was thinking "Wow I need to start watching another good anime.." Well I said to myself "what other popular anime is there? I already watched Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and Death Note". Well I suddenly realized that Avatar was supposed to be a popular anime so I started watching. I am currently on episode 12 and I love it. Well hopefully I will love Avatar as much as I like Naruto and Bleach.

    Posted by uchia2000, 01/20/2008 3:44pm

    What happened, why don't you like Avatar anymore?
    The waiting killed it for me cuz I found it its not worth all that waiting for just 1 episode especially when there are other great animes out there.
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    PerfectAgent96

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    piranhapete wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    elementavatar14 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    jonb866 wrote:
    I dint read thru this whole thread, its 2 damn long. But seriously why have a 52 page war over what goes on in a cartoon and why your fav. is the best. Besides if you wanna talk about success, at least talk about it as a real world item, NOT just over which one has better characters. On this basis, Lets break it down.. Avatar costs more to produce, thus is better animated. That makes it, Avatar:1 Naruto:0 Avatar is prime time material, easily getting 3.8 million or better viewers when new epps air. Naruto doesnt do that well. That makes it Avatar:2 Naruto:0. Avatar has a cartoon that costs a million dollars per episode to make, motion captured animation, real A-Class voice actors, toys, videogames, books, been mentioned in other shows(example, Cold Case), and has been given a 100 million Dollar Budget to do a trilogy of live action feature films ala matrix. Naruto has a manga(i think), A cartoon show that airs on cartoon networks late night block, what appears to be a 50,000 dollar budget for animation, B List actors, and a videogame. Avatar:3, Naruto:0 If you compare them like that, Avatar is leaps and bounds over Naruto.
    LMAO you have NO freakin idea what the hell your talking about. Just to burst your bubble A SINGLE episode of Naruto costs 2 MILLION dollars. That's TWICE of Avatar. It has a Manga, toys, games, all of which are BETTEr, (you can't tell me that the avatar games don't suck I mean Seriously), Naruto has famous voice actors. And who cares about a live action movie. Avatar cartoon sucks. Live action would be a disasterpiece. Take your BS to someon who cares.

    so what happened to a nice clean debate that you talked about in ur first post?

    I give respect to people who give it too me. I started of giving respect...but hey didn't get it back so hey I said forget it.


    Uhh... so because some people didn't meet your expectations, that allows you to break your word?
    What word? I never "promised" anything.
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    PerfectAgent96

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    12321433423 wrote:

    Although I am new, I have been reading the arguments on this thread for a while now. I love Naruto and Avatar. But I have to say the Avatards have much more backing to their argument than the Narutards. I have only one question to the Naruto fans- You say that Naruto has a great plot line, action, character development, etc... However you guys actually haven't given any EXAMPLES. All you guys have done throughout this thread is refute EXAMPLES given by Avatar fans. So why don't you guys actually have a 'debate' which you said in the first post with actual info/examples- instead of personal attacks? Honestly, just dodging questions shows that this thread has been created for no reason whatsoever.

    Also, just ignoring my post rather than acknowleding it proves my point further.

    Dude you did NOT read far enough. We gave a LOT of examples.
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    Heraklios

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    uchia2000 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    I'll make this simple. Naruto = Epic fail. Nuff said
    Naruto = epic fail. Stupid attacks, takes forever to finish the series, overall lame.

    I completely agree!
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    uchia2000

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    Heraklios wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    I'll make this simple. Naruto = Epic fail. Nuff said
    Avatar = epic fail. Stupid attacks, takes forever to finish the series, overall lame.

    Im a queer!
    I completely agree!
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    PerfectAgent96

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    Heraklios wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    I'll make this simple. Naruto = Epic fail. Nuff said
    Naruto = epic fail. Stupid attacks, takes forever to finish the series, overall lame.

    I completely agree!
    Wow changing what he said....SOOO proves your argument.
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