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    Maria93

    [1101]Jun 23, 2008
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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Maria93 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    What are you talking about? I've never made any personal attacks like you and your Naruto friend have. Don't insult me just because I don't like your cartoon.
    We didn't insult you. You just changed our posts. We in the Naruto forum consider that a serious insult.

    O RLY ???? !!!!

    Ya, your considered a dirty rotten bastard, and people lose respect for ya.

    wow , that's sad ... do you want a cookie ?

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    uchia2000

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    Maria93 wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Maria93 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    What are you talking about? I've never made any personal attacks like you and your Naruto friend have. Don't insult me just because I don't like your cartoon.
    We didn't insult you. You just changed our posts. We in the Naruto forum consider that a serious insult.

    O RLY ???? !!!!

    Ya, your considered a dirty rotten bastard, and people lose respect for ya.

    wow , that's sad ... do you want a cookie ?

    NO I WANT MY NEW AVATAR EPISODE WAHAHAHAHHAHA NICK IS SO EVIL WAHAHAHAH.
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    Maria93

    [1103]Jun 23, 2008
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    uchia2000 wrote:
    Maria93 wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Maria93 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    What are you talking about? I've never made any personal attacks like you and your Naruto friend have. Don't insult me just because I don't like your cartoon.
    We didn't insult you. You just changed our posts. We in the Naruto forum consider that a serious insult.

    O RLY ???? !!!!

    Ya, your considered a dirty rotten bastard, and people lose respect for ya.

    wow , that's sad ... do you want a cookie ?

    NO I WANT MY NEW AVATAR EPISODE WAHAHAHAHHAHA NICK IS SO EVIL WAHAHAHAH.

    o.o !!!!!!

    Oh well , since you are a Narutard I'll give you Naruto cookiez

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    PerfectAgent96

    [1104]Jun 23, 2008
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    Heraklios wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    What are you talking about? I've never made any personal attacks like you and your Naruto friend have. Don't insult me just because I don't like your cartoon.
    We didn't insult you. You just changed our posts. We in the Naruto forum consider that a serious insult.
    Calling someone a queer isn't an Insult? Saying I wank to Nick isn't? Sorry I have an opinion then.
    You insulted me and I insulted you back. Stop acting like a victim.
    I never insulted you. What are you talking about? Is the show that important to you that any criticism of it is taken as personal?
    Like I said, changing someones post is considered an INSULT in the naruto boards. You guys have different "customs" if you want to call it that
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    SilverFlames

    [1105]Jun 23, 2008
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    Oh yeah, this definitely brings me back to the riots.
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    Maria93

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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    What are you talking about? I've never made any personal attacks like you and your Naruto friend have. Don't insult me just because I don't like your cartoon.
    We didn't insult you. You just changed our posts. We in the Naruto forum consider that a serious insult.
    Calling someone a queer isn't an Insult? Saying I wank to Nick isn't? Sorry I have an opinion then.
    You insulted me and I insulted you back. Stop acting like a victim.
    I never insulted you. What are you talking about? Is the show that important to you that any criticism of it is taken as personal?
    Like I said, changing someones post is considered an INSULT in the naruto boards. You guys have different "customs" if you want to call it that

    like different cultures ?

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    PerfectAgent96

    [1107]Jun 23, 2008
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    SilverFlames wrote:
    Oh yeah, this definitely brings me back to the riots.
    Riots? Kobbra?
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    PerfectAgent96

    [1108]Jun 23, 2008
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    Maria93 wrote:

    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    What are you talking about? I've never made any personal attacks like you and your Naruto friend have. Don't insult me just because I don't like your cartoon.
    We didn't insult you. You just changed our posts. We in the Naruto forum consider that a serious insult.
    Calling someone a queer isn't an Insult? Saying I wank to Nick isn't? Sorry I have an opinion then.
    You insulted me and I insulted you back. Stop acting like a victim.
    I never insulted you. What are you talking about? Is the show that important to you that any criticism of it is taken as personal?
    Like I said, changing someones post is considered an INSULT in the naruto boards. You guys have different "customs" if you want to call it that

    like different cultures ?

    Ya that's a way to think of it.
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    Heraklios

    [1109]Jun 23, 2008
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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    What are you talking about? I've never made any personal attacks like you and your Naruto friend have. Don't insult me just because I don't like your cartoon.
    We didn't insult you. You just changed our posts. We in the Naruto forum consider that a serious insult.
    Calling someone a queer isn't an Insult? Saying I wank to Nick isn't? Sorry I have an opinion then.
    You insulted me and I insulted you back. Stop acting like a victim.
    I never insulted you. What are you talking about? Is the show that important to you that any criticism of it is taken as personal?
    Like I said, changing someones post is considered an INSULT in the naruto boards. You guys have different "customs" if you want to call it that


    Well then I'm sorry that I have "Offended" you then.
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    dantedones

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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    Oh yeah, this definitely brings me back to the riots.
    Riots? Kobbra?
    yeah, he was a great guy
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    Maria93

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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    Oh yeah, this definitely brings me back to the riots.
    Riots? Kobbra?

    Hakoda ? !!!!! we'll never know ...

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    PerfectAgent96

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    Heraklios wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    Heraklios wrote:
    What are you talking about? I've never made any personal attacks like you and your Naruto friend have. Don't insult me just because I don't like your cartoon.
    We didn't insult you. You just changed our posts. We in the Naruto forum consider that a serious insult.
    Calling someone a queer isn't an Insult? Saying I wank to Nick isn't? Sorry I have an opinion then.
    You insulted me and I insulted you back. Stop acting like a victim.
    I never insulted you. What are you talking about? Is the show that important to you that any criticism of it is taken as personal?
    Like I said, changing someones post is considered an INSULT in the naruto boards. You guys have different "customs" if you want to call it that


    Well then I'm sorry that I have "Offended" you then.
    Tell that to Uchia not me.
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    SilverFlames

    [1113]Jun 23, 2008
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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    Oh yeah, this definitely brings me back to the riots.
    Riots? Kobbra?


    Hell no! I'm talkin about the KCA Riots.

    (Yall reminds me of them Spongies, the way they was actin)
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    PerfectAgent96

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    SilverFlames wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    Oh yeah, this definitely brings me back to the riots.
    Riots? Kobbra?


    Hell no! I'm talkin about the KCA Riots.

    (Yall reminds me of them Spongies, the way they was actin)
    Umm...no...I hat spongies. No just no. Never compare us to spongies.
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    SilverFlames

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    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    PerfectAgent96 wrote:
    SilverFlames wrote:
    Oh yeah, this definitely brings me back to the riots.
    Riots? Kobbra?


    Hell no! I'm talkin about the KCA Riots.

    (Yall reminds me of them Spongies, the way they was actin)
    Umm...no...I hate spongies. No just no. Never compare us to spongies.


    ... uh-huh.. riiiiight. (sarcasm)
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    tomtitan

    [1116]Jun 23, 2008
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    uchia2000 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    jonb866 wrote:
    I dint read thru this whole thread, its 2 damn long. But seriously why have a 52 page war over what goes on in a cartoon and why your fav. is the best. Besides if you wanna talk about success, at least talk about it as a real world item, NOT just over which one has better characters. On this basis, Lets break it down..

    Avatar costs more to produce, thus is better animated. That makes it, Avatar:1 Naruto:0 Avatar is prime time material, easily getting 3.8 million or better viewers when new epps air. Naruto doesnt do that well. That makes it Avatar:2 Naruto:0. Avatar has a cartoon that costs a million dollars per episode to make, motion captured animation, real A-Class voice actors, toys, videogames, books, been mentioned in other shows(example, Cold Case), and has been given a 100 million Dollar Budget to do a trilogy of live action feature films ala matrix. Naruto has a manga(i think), A cartoon show that airs on cartoon networks late night block, what appears to be a 50,000 dollar budget for animation, B List actors, and a videogame. Avatar:3, Naruto:0

    If you compare them like that, Avatar is leaps and bounds over Naruto.
    You have no idea what your talking about.

    Actually, I'm forced to agree with you uchia. He doesn't. You did mention before that Naruto episodes cost more to make than Avatar episodes. And also, Naruto is a f****ng huge marketing success in Japan. Everyone loves it there. It's an obsession. People dress up like Naruto characters even when they're not at cosplays.

    But he does raise a good point. Where's the A-list Hollywood director approaching Naruto saying that he thinks it's so good he wants to make 3 big-budget live action summer blockbuster movies based on the show?
    There have already been 4 Naruto movies and all of them have been a huge success. Also isn't the director who is making the live action movie a really crappy director?

    EarthbendingRox wrote:

    Hey uchia, I was breezing through your blog when I found this:

    Well yesterday I was laying down on my bed and I was thinking "Wow I need to start watching another good anime.." Well I said to myself "what other popular anime is there? I already watched Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, and Death Note". Well I suddenly realized that Avatar was supposed to be a popular anime so I started watching. I am currently on episode 12 and I love it. Well hopefully I will love Avatar as much as I like Naruto and Bleach.

    Posted by uchia2000, 01/20/2008 3:44pm

    What happened, why don't you like Avatar anymore?

    The waiting killed it for me cuz I found it its not worth all that waiting for just 1 episode especially when there are other great animes out there.


    1- M. Night Shyamalalalalalalallamaman isn't a bad director, he's just hit a low point in his career. With any luck Avatar will end that.
    2- This just proves our point, the wait is killing the show. Only the most diehard fans can continue to support the show when Nick treats it like dogs**t. Casual watchers simply cannot continue watching under these circumstances.

    Oh, and let's stop with the flaming. It gets you nowhere and just makes you look stupid. (not directed at anyone in particular on either side)
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    jnk4eva

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    uchia2000 wrote:
    12321433423 wrote:

    Although I am new, I have been reading the arguments on this thread for a while now. I love Naruto and Avatar. But I have to say the Avatards have much more backing to their argument than the Narutards. I have only one question to the Naruto fans- You say that Naruto has a great plot line, action, character development, etc... However you guys actually haven't given any EXAMPLES. All you guys have done throughout this thread is refute EXAMPLES given by Avatar fans. So why don't you guys actually have a 'debate' which you said in the first post with actual info/examples- instead of personal attacks? Honestly, just dodging questions shows that this thread has been created for no reason whatsoever.

    Also, just ignoring my post rather than acknowleding it proves my point further.

    Character development... Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, Shikamaru and plenty others. Great fights... pretty much any fight because 90% of the fights are important unlike the hit and run fights in Avatar. Usually at the end of the fight something changes to further the plot. Great plot... isn't as simple as taking down the firelord. So far Naruto has to save Sasuke, destroy Akatsuki, become Hokage, and deal with his demon someday.

    Ok I've been reading through some of this thread and most of it is kind of pointless babble. I don't normally post (I just read) but I'll put my two cents in for this one...

    I'll clear this up first: I've never seen Naruto, so I'm not going to even try and compare it and Avatar - as far as I'm concerned and as far as I know they are both excellent shows. And of the tv shows I do watch, Avatar does happen to be my favorite.

    With that said, the question posed was: Why is this so great? The way to answer this: OPINION. What you have provided here is a list of your opinions as to why Naruto is a superior show. Fine. You may be right (again I don't personally know). But people may not agree with you.
    1) You like the character development in Naruto. That's wonderful, and I can admire anyone who cares about more than just throwing punches in a show. But, the way I see it, there is character development in Avatar as well. Some people don't think Aang has had any character development - phooey. I really disliked Aang in the beginning of the show because he was busy being a goofy kid. Not anymore. Yea he still likes to have fun, but he's becoming more accepting of his position as Avatar. Zuko is another one. He goes from enemy to Aang, to angsty fugitive, to enemy to his own father. People have already mentioned Ty Lee and Mai - they both turn on their "friend" Azula for personal reasons. And based on a scene from the NYCC trailer, I think we will see Azula changing as well, although I'm assuming not to the "good side", but some sort of change (scene where she throws her brush in a mirror, with tears in her eyes).
    2) You say Naruto has excellent fights, DIFFERENT from the fights shown in Avatar that you call "hit and run." This is your opinion. Maybe I like the "hit and run" fights in Avatar. The fights in the show fit the positions the characters are in: Aang is constantly running from the Fire Nation and other enemies. The fights are designed the way they are simply in order to succeed in his endeavor. To me, this does not make them any better or worse than other anime fights I have seen.
    3) You may like the way Naruto's plot flows. Also a wonderful reason to appreciate a show - but I think Avatar's plot is wonderful the way it is as well. It was intended from the beginning to be split into 3 chapters. We haven't seen the end, but I'm going to assume Bryan and Mike have been successful.
    4) You may like the challenges that Naruto is forced to face. Ok great. But there is more to Avatar than defeating the Fire Lord. That's a huge plot point of course - but it's far from simple. I'll point out a few reasons why: A 12 year old, last of his bending art, forced to take on all the other 3 bending forms in under a year? Come on, that's huge! The fact that their enemy Zuko joins them. Also huge. There's more, but I'm not going in to it right now. Again, my OPINION tells me this is not a simple plot and I think it fits quite well.

    So I will emphasize this again - the way Avatar is designed is just different from Naruto. And to all the Avatards, all the "differences" you have pointed out is what makes it so great. All that you pointed out about Naruto, to the Narutards, is what makes it so great.

    There, I'm finished.

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    SilverFlames

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    I'm readin it, but let me let you in on a lil something: The Narutards won't pay attention, they don't like long posts.
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    Maria93

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    jnk4eva wrote:
    uchia2000 wrote:
    12321433423 wrote:

    Although I am new, I have been reading the arguments on this thread for a while now. I love Naruto and Avatar. But I have to say the Avatards have much more backing to their argument than the Narutards. I have only one question to the Naruto fans- You say that Naruto has a great plot line, action, character development, etc... However you guys actually haven't given any EXAMPLES. All you guys have done throughout this thread is refute EXAMPLES given by Avatar fans. So why don't you guys actually have a 'debate' which you said in the first post with actual info/examples- instead of personal attacks? Honestly, just dodging questions shows that this thread has been created for no reason whatsoever.

    Also, just ignoring my post rather than acknowleding it proves my point further.

    Character development... Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, Shikamaru and plenty others. Great fights... pretty much any fight because 90% of the fights are important unlike the hit and run fights in Avatar. Usually at the end of the fight something changes to further the plot. Great plot... isn't as simple as taking down the firelord. So far Naruto has to save Sasuke, destroy Akatsuki, become Hokage, and deal with his demon someday.

    Ok I've been reading through some of this thread and most of it is kind of pointless babble. I don't normally post (I just read) but I'll put my two cents in for this one...

    I'll clear this up first: I've never seen Naruto, so I'm not going to even try and compare it and Avatar - as far as I'm concerned and as far as I know they are both excellent shows. And of the tv shows I do watch, Avatar does happen to be my favorite.

    With that said, the question posed was: Why is this so great? The way to answer this: OPINION. What you have provided here is a list of your opinions as to why Naruto is a superior show. Fine. You may be right (again I don't personally know). But people may not agree with you.
    1) You like the character development in Naruto. That's wonderful, and I can admire anyone who cares about more than just throwing punches in a show. But, the way I see it, there is character development in Avatar as well. Some people don't think Aang has had any character development - phooey. I really disliked Aang in the beginning of the show because he was busy being a goofy kid. Not anymore. Yea he still likes to have fun, but he's becoming more accepting of his position as Avatar. Zuko is another one. He goes from enemy to Aang, to angsty fugitive, to enemy to his own father. People have already mentioned Ty Lee and Mai - they both turn on their "friend" Azula for personal reasons. And based on a scene from the NYCC trailer, I think we will see Azula changing as well, although I'm assuming not to the "good side", but some sort of change (scene where she throws her brush in a mirror, with tears in her eyes).
    2) You say Naruto has excellent fights, DIFFERENT from the fights shown in Avatar that you call "hit and run." This is your opinion. Maybe I like the "hit and run" fights in Avatar. The fights in the show fit the positions the characters are in: Aang is constantly running from the Fire Nation and other enemies. The fights are designed the way they are simply in order to succeed in his endeavor. To me, this does not make them any better or worse than other anime fights I have seen.
    3) You may like the way Naruto's plot flows. Also a wonderful reason to appreciate a show - but I think Avatar's plot is wonderful the way it is as well. It was intended from the beginning to be split into 3 chapters. We haven't seen the end, but I'm going to assume Bryan and Mike have been successful.
    4) You may like the challenges that Naruto is forced to face. Ok great. But there is more to Avatar than defeating the Fire Lord. That's a huge plot point of course - but it's far from simple. I'll point out a few reasons why: A 12 year old, last of his bending art, forced to take on all the other 3 bending forms in under a year? Come on, that's huge! The fact that their enemy Zuko joins them. Also huge. There's more, but I'm not going in to it right now. Again, my OPINION tells me this is not a simple plot and I think it fits quite well.

    So I will emphasize this again - the way Avatar is designed is just different from Naruto. And to all the Avatards, all the "differences" you have pointed out is what makes it so great. All that you pointed out about Naruto, to the Narutards, is what makes it so great.

    There, I'm finished.

    I'm too lazy to read that so I'll just smile D

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    jnk4eva

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    whatever. at least i tried to put out a logical opinion and answer to this pointless thread.

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