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What exactly does the Fire Lord do?

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    hkulka2974

    [41]May 19, 2008
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    neocarleen wrote:

    The Fire Nation is in the middle of a war, but the Fire Lord seems to just sit around. The most serious threat, the avatar, he sent his children to deal with (first Zuko, then Azula). He sits in at War Meetings, but doesn't seem to contribute anything at all. He's usually seen sitting on his throne behind a wall of fire, but besides that, he doesn't do anything at all!

    Apparently, he will upgrade his status to Pheinoex Lord, and get a new spiffy costume. But even with that, he still doesn't seem to do anything.

    This is pretty pathetic since he is the leader of the Fire Nation and symbol for the "dark side". Aang's goal is to defeat the Fire Lord. What will this accomplish, since he doesn't do anything or is actively involved in the war in any way? Azula is more of a threat than him! Even evil Zuko was more of a threat than him!

    the fire lord still does have to approve of the general's orders' during a war most probably. also he brainwashes the fire nation people and he is a highly skilled firebender

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    neocarleen

    [42]May 19, 2008
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    hkulka2974 wrote:
    neocarleen wrote:

    The Fire Nation is in the middle of a war, but the Fire Lord seems to just sit around. The most serious threat, the avatar, he sent his children to deal with (first Zuko, then Azula). He sits in at War Meetings, but doesn't seem to contribute anything at all. He's usually seen sitting on his throne behind a wall of fire, but besides that, he doesn't do anything at all!

    Apparently, he will upgrade his status to Pheinoex Lord, and get a new spiffy costume. But even with that, he still doesn't seem to do anything.

    This is pretty pathetic since he is the leader of the Fire Nation and symbol for the "dark side". Aang's goal is to defeat the Fire Lord. What will this accomplish, since he doesn't do anything or is actively involved in the war in any way? Azula is more of a threat than him! Even evil Zuko was more of a threat than him!

    the fire lord still does have to approve of the general's orders' during a war most probably. also he brainwashes the fire nation people and he is a highly skilled firebender

    Not sure about the highly skilled bender stuff. All we've really seen him do is bend lightning, which Azula can also do. And his son easily redirected it. His power is equal to his children. And don't be so sure about approving generals' orders. Zhao had devised a plan himself for killing the Moon Spirit on the North Pole, which the Fire Lord may or may not have known about. He seemed to be working on his own, which makes me think he did not attempt to get permission. Also, the Fire Lord's children, who are on the most important mission of all (catching the Avatar), have not EVER sent report or asked for permission to do ANYTHING. Everything they did, they did on their own. And like I've said before, they've failed over and over again, and the Fire Lord shows no interest whatsoever.

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    Shaolina23

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    neocarleen wrote:

    hkulka2974 wrote:
    neocarleen wrote:

    The Fire Nation is in the middle of a war, but the Fire Lord seems to just sit around. The most serious threat, the avatar, he sent his children to deal with (first Zuko, then Azula). He sits in at War Meetings, but doesn't seem to contribute anything at all. He's usually seen sitting on his throne behind a wall of fire, but besides that, he doesn't do anything at all!

    Apparently, he will upgrade his status to Pheinoex Lord, and get a new spiffy costume. But even with that, he still doesn't seem to do anything.

    This is pretty pathetic since he is the leader of the Fire Nation and symbol for the "dark side". Aang's goal is to defeat the Fire Lord. What will this accomplish, since he doesn't do anything or is actively involved in the war in any way? Azula is more of a threat than him! Even evil Zuko was more of a threat than him!

    the fire lord still does have to approve of the general's orders' during a war most probably. also he brainwashes the fire nation people and he is a highly skilled firebender

    Not sure about the highly skilled bender stuff. All we've really seen him do is bend lightning, which Azula can also do. And his son easily redirected it. His power is equal to his children. And don't be so sure about approving generals' orders. Zhao had devised a plan himself for killing the Moon Spirit on the North Pole, which the Fire Lord may or may not have known about. He seemed to be working on his own, which makes me think he did not attempt to get permission. Also, the Fire Lord's children, who are on the most important mission of all (catching the Avatar), have not EVER sent report or asked for permission to do ANYTHING. Everything they did, they did on their own. And like I've said before, they've failed over and over again, and the Fire Lord shows no interest whatsoever.

    As far as bending goes you must consider several things:

    1) Lighting is not something everyone can do. We've seen only three people, as far as I can remember, doing that. It's almost like metalbending (I say almost because in metalbending we've only seen Toph do that) in which it takes a lot of skill to master.

    2) Ozai's bigger and size matters here (comparison Aand raw power wise, combat wise... that's a different story as Zuko showed)

    3) He took half of the time Azula takes... and he did 2 instead of one. That must take some skill.

    So yeah, taking that into account he really is a powerful bender. Now, as for everything else.... I'm not sure.

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    FourthLegacy

    [44]May 20, 2008
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    ask yourself, what do you do when you're alone for hours on end?(assuming alone)
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    Coolcamz18

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    I think he runs the nation, makes plans, and orders people around. and it said in the nick site he walks around the place where his the portaraits of his past fathers and hopes that it will give him guidance
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    laurenmoo78

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    Um, he sits around with his thumb you-know-where.

    Okay, now to be off topic, Shaolina, the map on your sig is hilarious. Where did U get it? Can I download it just to show my friends?
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    tomtitan

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    FourthLegacy wrote:
    ask yourself, what do you do when you're alone for hours on end?(assuming alone)
    I guess that's what he's forced to resort to after Ursa left him.
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    Miroku78

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    FourthLegacy wrote:
    ask yourself, what do you do when you're alone for hours on end?(assuming alone)


    Posting on an Avatar Board?

    C Wat I Did thar?
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    suss2it

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    Shaolina23 wrote:
    neocarleen wrote:

    hkulka2974 wrote:
    neocarleen wrote:

    The Fire Nation is in the middle of a war, but the Fire Lord seems to just sit around. The most serious threat, the avatar, he sent his children to deal with (first Zuko, then Azula). He sits in at War Meetings, but doesn't seem to contribute anything at all. He's usually seen sitting on his throne behind a wall of fire, but besides that, he doesn't do anything at all!

    Apparently, he will upgrade his status to Pheinoex Lord, and get a new spiffy costume. But even with that, he still doesn't seem to do anything.

    This is pretty pathetic since he is the leader of the Fire Nation and symbol for the "dark side". Aang's goal is to defeat the Fire Lord. What will this accomplish, since he doesn't do anything or is actively involved in the war in any way? Azula is more of a threat than him! Even evil Zuko was more of a threat than him!

    the fire lord still does have to approve of the general's orders' during a war most probably. also he brainwashes the fire nation people and he is a highly skilled firebender

    Not sure about the highly skilled bender stuff. All we've really seen him do is bend lightning, which Azula can also do. And his son easily redirected it. His power is equal to his children. And don't be so sure about approving generals' orders. Zhao had devised a plan himself for killing the Moon Spirit on the North Pole, which the Fire Lord may or may not have known about. He seemed to be working on his own, which makes me think he did not attempt to get permission. Also, the Fire Lord's children, who are on the most important mission of all (catching the Avatar), have not EVER sent report or asked for permission to do ANYTHING. Everything they did, they did on their own. And like I've said before, they've failed over and over again, and the Fire Lord shows no interest whatsoever.

    As far as bending goes you must consider several things:

    1) Lighting is not something everyone can do. We've seen only three people, as far as I can remember, doing that. It's almost like metalbending (I say almost because in metalbending we've only seen Toph do that) in which it takes a lot of skill to master.

    2) Ozai's bigger and size matters here (comparison Aand raw power wise, combat wise... that's a different story as Zuko showed)

    3) He took half of the time Azula takes... and he did 2 instead of one. That must take some skill.

    So yeah, taking that into account he really is a powerful bender. Now, as for everything else.... I'm not sure.

    Don't forget he only sent Zuko cause he expected him to fail. And this is like asking what does the President do, he can't be in the middle of war less he be killed, and seeing as Azula is a prodigy why not send her after the Avatar?
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    Shaolina23

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    laurenmoo78 wrote:
    Um, he sits around with his thumb you-know-where.
    Okay, now to be off topic, Shaolina, the map on your sig is hilarious. Where did U get it? Can I download it just to show my friends?

    Sure. I'm glad you like it. I have no idea where I got it. I've had it for 5 years (give or take) It always manages it make me smile since I've met people (very... VERY few) who are just like that.

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    xRamensx

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    Sends his children to do his dirty work? Honestly, that's the only think I've gotten from Ozai. He'd rather sit around and have other people do things for him. That sort of stuff is expected for the Fire Lord, but sending your own children? I can understand Zuko since he was pretty much on a three-year-long time-out. But Azula? What we've gotten is that Azula was Ozai's favorite child, but for what reason? Because she's powerful, and he's always known that.

    Right now, he's using Azula to do the sort of stuff he doesn't want to do on his own. He probably could handle taking down Aang, but why do it yourself if your daughter is almost as powerful as you are?

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    KingAtticus

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    xRamensx wrote:

    Sends his children to do his dirty work? Honestly, that's the only think I've gotten from Ozai. He'd rather sit around and have other people do things for him. That sort of stuff is expected for the Fire Lord, but sending your own children? I can understand Zuko since he was pretty much on a three-year-long time-out. But Azula? What we've gotten is that Azula was Ozai's favorite child, but for what reason? Because she's powerful, and he's always known that.

    Right now, he's using Azula to do the sort of stuff he doesn't want to do on his own. He probably could handle taking down Aang, but why do it yourself if your daughter is almost as powerful as you are?


    Children gotta learn to do stuff on their own. Plus he's got better things to do than care for his teenage kids.
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    neocarleen

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    KingAtticus wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    Sends his children to do his dirty work? Honestly, that's the only think I've gotten from Ozai. He'd rather sit around and have other people do things for him. That sort of stuff is expected for the Fire Lord, but sending your own children? I can understand Zuko since he was pretty much on a three-year-long time-out. But Azula? What we've gotten is that Azula was Ozai's favorite child, but for what reason? Because she's powerful, and he's always known that.

    Right now, he's using Azula to do the sort of stuff he doesn't want to do on his own. He probably could handle taking down Aang, but why do it yourself if your daughter is almost as powerful as you are?


    Children gotta learn to do stuff on their own. Plus he's got better things to do than care for his teenage kids.

    Like what!? That's what this whole topic is about! It's obvious what he doesn't do, so what does he do?

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    xRamensx

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    neocarleen wrote:

    KingAtticus wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    Sends his children to do his dirty work? Honestly, that's the only think I've gotten from Ozai. He'd rather sit around and have other people do things for him. That sort of stuff is expected for the Fire Lord, but sending your own children? I can understand Zuko since he was pretty much on a three-year-long time-out. But Azula? What we've gotten is that Azula was Ozai's favorite child, but for what reason? Because she's powerful, and he's always known that.

    Right now, he's using Azula to do the sort of stuff he doesn't want to do on his own. He probably could handle taking down Aang, but why do it yourself if your daughter is almost as powerful as you are?


    Children gotta learn to do stuff on their own. Plus he's got better things to do than care for his teenage kids.

    Like what!? That's what this whole topic is about! It's obvious what he doesn't do, so what does he do?

    Well, he sits around being Pen.. Er, Phoenix Lord, stroking his beard, and being a closet tea-drinker. Trufax.

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    suss2it

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    neocarleen wrote:

    KingAtticus wrote:
    xRamensx wrote:

    Sends his children to do his dirty work? Honestly, that's the only think I've gotten from Ozai. He'd rather sit around and have other people do things for him. That sort of stuff is expected for the Fire Lord, but sending your own children? I can understand Zuko since he was pretty much on a three-year-long time-out. But Azula? What we've gotten is that Azula was Ozai's favorite child, but for what reason? Because she's powerful, and he's always known that.

    Right now, he's using Azula to do the sort of stuff he doesn't want to do on his own. He probably could handle taking down Aang, but why do it yourself if your daughter is almost as powerful as you are?


    Children gotta learn to do stuff on their own. Plus he's got better things to do than care for his teenage kids.

    Like what!? That's what this whole topic is about! It's obvious what he doesn't do, so what does he do?
    Approves the army budget?
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    qtwanderer

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    suss2it wrote:
    Approves the army budget?
    He must make approvalsof something...attack locations...plans..talk with Generals..but just sits while doing all this....hes living my dream.
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    Lady_elest

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    qtwanderer wrote:
    suss2it wrote:
    Approves the army budget?
    He must make approvalsof something...attack locations...plans..talk with Generals..but just sits while doing all this....hes living my dream.
    his tukas must be all pins and needles
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    Zuko_blast

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    Well, he sits watching Oprah, and eating Bon Bons all day. Also when little kids steal he is responsible for chopping off thier fingers, Duh.
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    LordMordor

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    again, the reason we don't phsyically see him approving orders or issuing commands is that its not really important that we see it, we know he's the absolute ruler of the country, and its territories, so we can assume that he must take an active role in its leadership.

    as for sending out Azula, she's not only powerful enough to get the job done, but to do it right. Therefore, he doesn't need to get reports from her, since he can assume she is doing right. Or she could very well be sending reports and we just don't see it because its such an inconsequential detail that isn't worth being physically shown.
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