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What does "letting go" really mean?

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    Tonyionta

    [1]Dec 5, 2006
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    Purpose: The below text is meant to get you to think. I'm not saying that my reasons are good or even that they are my exact reasons. I'm throwing possibilities out there for discusion. Trying to get people to see things a certain way, not the obvious way.

    Well as you you all probobly know the current asumption is that Aang will feal nothing for Katara if he masters the Avatar state. I'm not sure that is so. I believe this might be more complex than one would think.?? Look at the most recent "play on words" that we had in this very same episode.

    "No Aang by choosing attachment you have locked the chacra, if you leave now you wont be able to go into the avatar state at all."

    One would guess and I asumed alot of people did that he could never do it again. However, the guru could have also said "If you leave now you wont be able to go into avatar state unless you clear all your chacras." Where as before he could go in it when he was in danger or angry. I believe that this issue with Katara is very similar. Lets look at the guru's dialog.

    "The thought chacra is located at the crown of the head. It deals with pur cosmic energy and is blocked by earthly attachment, meditate on what attaches you to this world"

    ...Cute visions of Katara...

    "now let all of those attachments go, let them flow down the river, forgotten"

    ...Well, when he said this i was kinda scared. However, this may be a very vancy way of the guru saying clear you mind, focus and concentrate. "Forget" about everything else.?? I know it's a long shot....

    "learn to let her go, or you cannot let the pure cosmic energies flow in??from the universe."

    "you must learn to let go"

    "Aang, to master the avatar state you must open all the chacras, surrender yourself."

    "Now think of your attachments, and let them go. Let the pure cosmic energy flow."

    Well I want to point out a few things. I think that mabe the guru is just trying to prove a point. That he needs to learn to let go of the material realm. It's not eternal and he needs to realize that. Really guys, this chacra thing could litteraly be just a fancy way of teaching ang to clear is mind and focus.

    Then there is the fact that a previous avatar tried to kill the spirit, "the face steeler" I believe was his nickname, because he had stolen the face of a loved one. Also, look the las avatar Oroku, does he look emotionless. He shows emotion and so does Avatar Kioshi.

    I don't think it is posible for him to lose love, or anyone for that matter. If one can't feel love than you can't feel any emotion. Something which the previous avatars have shown.

    Anyone, anyone else have any ideas on the matter. I have been multi tasking alot while writing this, so if it is fragmented or doesnt make sense that may be why. I also feel like I have left a few points out due to that.

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    kataang4eva081

    [2]Dec 5, 2006
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    I agree. I think, there's a lot there.

    It's shown that love is an energy and surrounds Aang. His love is Katara. So, technically, even if Aang did/have to give her up, he wouldn't becuase his Air Nomad's love has been replaced with Katara's love.??And in the wise words of Aang, "Three chakras ago that was a good thing!"??

    You could go with the arguement that Aang never officially mastered the Avatar State, so he didn't really give up Katara.

    I don't even like the idea of how some people are taking "giving her up". It doesn't mean for him to throw her off a cliff, or act like she doesn't even exist. It just means that she can't influence him so drastically. He can still feel emotions for her, but he can't feel "attached" to her.

    Love can move mountains of course, so yay Kataang!

    Love isn't??just a switch you can turn on and off, I think Aang was fooling himself into thinking he gave up Katara so he could??get into the Avatar??State, but he can't just not love her, he still has feelings for her.

    Aang still loves her because he "gave her up" to save her becuase he loves her. He even says, "I'm sorry Katara." He loves her, and went into the Avatar State becuase he loves her, so yea, he still loves her.

    He smiled at her when??he was revived (not even going??into the whole did he die or not thing) and he allowed her??to hug him.

    Kataang lives. ??

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    alexvoda

    [3]Dec 5, 2006
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    and the love he had for the monks changed into the love he has for Katara(4'th,hearth,air chakra)

    so if now he would not feel anything for her where will that love go?????
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    JuggsGotYa

    [4]Dec 5, 2006
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    I believe it means that he no longer loves her the same way he once did. Any one else I think is nit picking and trying hold on to there favorite pairing. The simple fact is they really can't support what they think and neither can I, but the evidence dose seem to favor me on this one.
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    goldmustang

    [5]Dec 5, 2006
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    JuggsGotYa wrote:
    I believe it means that he no longer loves her the same way he once did. Any one else I think is nit picking and trying hold on to there favorite pairing. The simple fact is they really can't support what they think and neither can I, but the evidence dose seem to favor me on this one.

    even though i like kataang. i have to agree with juggs i think that he is right
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    kataang4eva081

    [6]Dec 5, 2006
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    goldmustang wrote:
    JuggsGotYa wrote:
    I believe it means that he no longer loves her the same way he once did. Any one else I think is nit picking and trying hold on to there favorite pairing. The simple fact is they really can't support what they think and neither can I, but the evidence dose seem to favor me on this one.
    even though i like kataang. i have to agree with juggs i think that he is right

    *gulp* Yea, I *gulp* have to agree. While I will always wave my "Kataang" flag in the air, everyone is kind of nit picking, but some points are actually justifiable and good. We'll just have to wait and see. Watch, in the end Ty Lokka or Tokka or something will be the only thing standing...

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    goldmustang

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    kataang4eva081 wrote:

    goldmustang wrote:
    JuggsGotYa wrote:
    I believe it means that he no longer loves her the same way he once did. Any one else I think is nit picking and trying hold on to there favorite pairing. The simple fact is they really can't support what they think and neither can I, but the evidence dose seem to favor me on this one.
    even though i like kataang. i have to agree with juggs i think that he is right

    *gulp* Yea, I *gulp* have to agree. While I will always wave my "Kataang" flag in the air, everyone is kind of nit picking, but some points are actually justifiable and good. We'll just have to wait and see. Watch, in the end Ty Lokka or Tokka or something will be the only thing standing...

    i know it is hard to admit but.... you just know it is ture and SOMETIMES, not always, u have to give in to it
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    kataang4eva081

    [8]Dec 5, 2006
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    goldmustang wrote:
    kataang4eva081 wrote:

    goldmustang wrote:
    JuggsGotYa wrote:
    I believe it means that he no longer loves her the same way he once did. Any one else I think is nit picking and trying hold on to there favorite pairing. The simple fact is they really can't support what they think and neither can I, but the evidence dose seem to favor me on this one.
    even though i like kataang. i have to agree with juggs i think that he is right

    *gulp* Yea, I *gulp* have to agree. While I will always wave my "Kataang" flag in the air, everyone is kind of nit picking, but some points are actually justifiable and good. We'll just have to wait and see. Watch, in the end Ty Lokka or Tokka or something will be the only thing standing...

    i know it is hard to admit but.... you just know it is ture and SOMETIMES, not always, u have to give in to it

    Yea, while I'm not saying Kataang is shot, not by a long shot, at least I'm able to admit its definatley going to change (for the better or worse), I can't believe some people still think Zuatara will happen...*shakes head*

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    goldmustang

    [9]Dec 5, 2006
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    kataang4eva081 wrote:
    goldmustang wrote:
    kataang4eva081 wrote:

    goldmustang wrote:
    JuggsGotYa wrote:
    I believe it means that he no longer loves her the same way he once did. Any one else I think is nit picking and trying hold on to there favorite pairing. The simple fact is they really can't support what they think and neither can I, but the evidence dose seem to favor me on this one.
    even though i like kataang. i have to agree with juggs i think that he is right

    *gulp* Yea, I *gulp* have to agree. While I will always wave my "Kataang" flag in the air, everyone is kind of nit picking, but some points are actually justifiable and good. We'll just have to wait and see. Watch, in the end Ty Lokka or Tokka or something will be the only thing standing...

    i know it is hard to admit but.... you just know it is ture and SOMETIMES, not always, u have to give in to it

    Yea, while I'm not saying Kataang is shot, not by a long shot, at least I'm able to admit its definatley going to change (for the better or worse), I can't believe some people still think Zuatara will happen...*shakes head*


    no im not saying that kataang is shot or anything like that it is just that it is possible that is is done for( i dont think so) but Zuatara is done zuko went to the Dark side so.. i think that it is done for
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    doctor_lee

    [10]Dec 5, 2006
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    Love is a weakness for Avatar.
    Previous Avatar also dimished because of his love.
    He got killed by??the Face Stealer.

    Edited on 12/05/2006 5:19pm
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    kataang4eva081

    [11]Dec 5, 2006
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    Does anyone else think the directors/writers need to give the shipping a rest? While it sounds stupid coming from a huge Kataang fan like myself, I think the directors are putting a little to much emphisis on the shipping.??Shipping is great for forum chats, but too much of it can be a bad thing for the show. Deep and touching moments??like when Katara healed/revived/brought back to life Aang is fine, but things like Katara trying to heal Zuko's scar just to give Zuatarians a little present for the sake of giving them a present is bad. Ty Lee's crush on Sokka is halarious, but seriously they need to back down and stick to the plot more.
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    hercules1991

    [12]Dec 5, 2006
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    Tonyionta wrote:

    Purpose: The below text is meant to get you to think. I'm not saying that my reasons are good or even that they are my exact reasons. I'm throwing possibilities out there for discusion. Trying to get people to see things a certain way, not the obvious way.

    Well as you you all probobly know the current asumption is that Aang will feal nothing for Katara if he masters the Avatar state. I'm not sure that is so. I believe this might be more complex than one would think. Look at the most recent "play on words" that we had in this very same episode.

    "No Aang by choosing attachment you have locked the chacra, if you leave now you wont be able to go into the avatar state at all."

    One would guess and I asumed alot of people did that he could never do it again. However, the guru could have also said "If you leave now you wont be able to go into avatar state unless you clear all your chacras." Where as before he could go in it when he was in danger or angry. I believe that this issue with Katara is very similar. Lets look at the guru's dialog.

    "The thought chacra is located at the crown of the head. It deals with pur cosmic energy and is blocked by earthly attachment, meditate on what attaches you to this world"

    ...Cute visions of Katara...

    "now let all of those attachments go, let them flow down the river, forgotten"

    ...Well, when he said this i was kinda scared. However, this may be a very vancy way of the guru saying clear you mind, focus and concentrate. "Forget" about everything else. I know it's a long shot....

    "learn to let her go, or you cannot let the pure cosmic energies flow in from the universe."

    "you must learn to let go"

    "Aang, to master the avatar state you must open all the chacras, surrender yourself."

    "Now think of your attachments, and let them go. Let the pure cosmic energy flow."

    Well I want to point out a few things. I think that mabe the guru is just trying to prove a point. That he needs to learn to let go of the material realm. It's not eternal and he needs to realize that. Really guys, this chacra thing could litteraly be just a fancy way of teaching ang to clear is mind and focus.

    Then there is the fact that a previous avatar tried to kill the spirit, "the face steeler" I believe was his nickname, because he had stolen the face of a loved one. Also, look the las avatar Oroku, does he look emotionless. He shows emotion and so does Avatar Kioshi.

    I don't think it is posible for him to lose love, or anyone for that matter. If one can't feel love than you can't feel any emotion. Something which the previous avatars have shown.

    Anyone, anyone else have any ideas on the matter. I have been multi tasking alot while writing this, so if it is fragmented or doesnt make sense that may be why. I also feel like I have left a few points out due to that.

    I completely agree with your idea here Tonyionta, i have another that i'ld like your opinion on. okay now i've seen a few people complain about Aang "giving up Katara" at the end. I think if you watch the episode again you'll see that the guru says he has to "learn to let her go." is it not possible that he meant that the "Fear" of losing Katara is holding Aang back. That he could learn to accept that she may one day leave in one way or another and that by accepting that and "letting go" of that fear he will unlock his chakra and receieve the cosmic power to control the avatar state.

    I don't beleieve releasing the love an avatar has for someone would enable them to master the A.S. but releasing the fear that holds that holds them back might. Besides how can it be possible for him to forget his love for her. Its not just a memory, it's part of him emotionally and spiritually. His love for her is essential to keeping one of his chakras open.

    While watching the episode again i came to the conclusion that everytime Aang opened one of his chakras it was about releasing a negative emotion like fear, guilt, shame, or apprehension. I think all these emotions are derived from the first one listed: fear. That right there shows that a beneficial emotion like love should not affect his energy in any negative way

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    Nalesnik

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    kataang4eva081 wrote:
    Does anyone else think the directors/writers need to give the shipping a rest? While it sounds stupid coming from a huge Kataang fan like myself, I think the directors are putting a little to much emphisis on the shipping.??Shipping is great for forum chats, but too much of it can be a bad thing for the show. Deep and touching moments??like when Katara healed/revived/brought back to life Aang is fine, but things like Katara trying to heal Zuko's scar just to give Zuatarians a little present for the sake of giving them a present is bad. Ty Lee's crush on Sokka is halarious, but seriously they need to back down and stick to the plot more.

    Hehehe, maybe you think the creators are pushing ships, because you are constantly on the look out for this. I personally don't focus on shipping while watching the show, and I've not noticed??any obvious??ship pushing. Only during the supposed "Zutara" preview of the season finale, did I start to get a little worried that they might focus on ships. But when I saw the episode, it made perfect sense, and actually contributed to the overall plotline. The so called "Zutara moment" was suppose to make us think that Zuko has changed, but it just lifted our spirits only to give a bigger fall. Also it worked with Katara, because it showed her vulnerability, and now she will be reluctant to trust people.

    So I guess it's all a matter of different perspectives.

    Edited on 12/05/2006 8:50pm
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    MCMLXVI

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    Guru Patik was asking Aang to imagine a life without Katara. Aang resisted. It does not mean stop loving her; it only means you can love a person, but prepare yourself??for losing the person-- maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but maybe some day.
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    MCMLXVI

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    alexvoda wrote:
    and the love he had for the monks changed into the love he has for Katara(4'th,hearth,air chakra)

    so if now he would not feel anything for her where will that love go?

    Guru Patik told Aang that love is not lost through grief, but takes the form of new love. Aang loves the other airbenders. He now grieves them. His love for the airbenders is reborn in his love for Katara.

    Aang loves Katara. He may eventually grieve her. His love for Katara??would be??reborn in his love for someone or something else.

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    MCMLXVI

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    doctor_lee wrote:
    Love is a weakness for Avatar.
    Previous Avatar also dimished because of his love.
    He got killed by??the Face Stealer.
    Love is not the weakness; earthly attachment is. And Koh didn't kill the previous avatar; Koh only stole the face of that avatar's lover. That avatar had not released an earthly attachment.
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    Teranef

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    The above poster's got it, right there.

    As far as the Guru new, when he said "earthly attatchment" Aang could've thought of Jewlery, clothes, possessions, or other materialistic things that are generally considered "earthly attatchments". It has nothing to do with "love", and everything to do with "earthly attatchments".You can still love something without being attatched to it, in other words, dependant on it. Good example; food and drugs. You can love a food, you can even love a drug, but when you form an addiction to a drug, a dependancy, that's not love but something negative. Someone who loves a food is not addicted to it, but they still love it. Aang "letting go" of Katara means he can still love her, but he doesn't depend on her emotionally, and won't make her higher priority then things that are more important such as restoring balance in the world..

    Another comarison I thought of is coming to terms with something bad, whether it be death or just going to school when you hate it. Some people in disaster/disease scenarios accept their mortality. That doesn't mean at all that they no longer love life, but simply have come to be alright with the fact that it's gonna end. On the oppisite end of the spectrum from extreme example to every day example is kids who hate school that go to school. They'd rather not go to school, but don't generally fight the idea. They just go to school, accepting that it's a part of their childhood they'd rather not have. Death, like education, is a part of life. And letting go of attatchment to someone is just the same as letting go of your attatchment to life by accepting your mortality, or letting go of attatchment to 24/7 free time by going to school/work. You can still love life, free time, and your loved ones, you just are not dependant on it.
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    goldmustang

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    how did you people get so smart. but i do think all of what u people said is right
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    Cj60

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    well i'm going to use banana pudding as my example. if i loved that stuff so much and i died my ghost would stay on this earth because of my love for banana pudding. sounds wierd i know. but if i were to let go on how much i love banana pudding, it doesn't stop me from having it, but it keeps me from coming back for it, if somethig else were to be More important. like you can be married, but you have to still leave your wife and go to war, because if you were selfish and stayed with her no matter the consequence, it might have been you who stopped the war... i don't know metaphors hurt my head. i can't explain but, just because Aang let go of Kitara doesn't mean it would hurt him to love her, he just cannot let her be the reason he won't do certain things in life. basically i'm saying he can't let his love for her get in the way of some certain things. but yet he can still love her. i might be saying nonsence, but there. my post is here.

    edit: a yoda thing, You must let go what you fear to lose. because aniken feared losing Padme so much he submitted himself to the dark side and ended up fulfilling his visions anyway.

    Edited on 12/06/2006 6:32am
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    MCMLXVI

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    MCMLXVI wrote:
    Aang loves Katara. He may eventually grieve her. His love for Katara??would be??reborn in his love for someone or something else.
    Now that I've thought about it: is it the practice of love or the capacity to love that is the rebirth of lost loves? Suppose Aang never finds another love after Katara. Does that mean that all their love is obliterated? I say no, as long as he looks fondly on the memories.
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