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That's because he had to. And, plus, the fact that that was the TOTAL opposite of what Azula would really want shows how much he cared when he picked it out.
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That's because he had to. And, plus, the fact that that was the TOTAL opposite of what Azula would really want shows how much he cared when he picked it out. |
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| It's off topic but ok. Nobody loves Azula.* :p That's probably one of the themes of her development during sozin's comet. *Despite Zuko Alone you can't say Ursa affected her in a positive way. She's probably as distant to Ursa as, say, Iroh. *can't formulate complete posts when tired* |
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Speaking of Iroh, I don't understand how he can say he believes in second chances and yet he encouraged Zuko in Bitter Work that she needed to go down because she was crazy. In the finale, he told Zuko he couldn't go against Ozai b'cuz that would be brother vs. brother and people would see it as another excuse for bloodshed; and yet he tells Zuko to go to the Fire Nation to face Azula---Zuko's sister. Wouldn't that be just what he said should be avoided? I love Iroh, but when it comes to Azula...it's different. He's different. Not to mention, he's never called Azula his neice which I find odd. He's called Ozai his brother, and Zuko his nephew. As for Zuko. I find it sad it was shown that Azula had a tiny bit of affection toward Zuko, but not vise versa. She looked out for him when she found out that Zuko was visiting Uncle, and despite what we all thought, she gave Zuko credit for the Avatar and not because it was to save herself from her father's wrath. In addition, in The Beach she was somewhat understanding toward him when they were at the old beach house.
Or does she? What if it's her "optimistic" side trying to comfort her wound and Azula knows better than to give into the "lie" not knowing that what she thinks is a lie, is reality. |
I think that Iroh and Azula may actually have more of eachother in them than either want to admit, Both were favored children who were groomed from birth to become the future Firelord, both were brilliant generals and tacticians who attempted to conquer Ba Sing Se (although Azula acomplished in less than a week with nothing but hereslf and two friends what Iroh failed to accomplish in two years with the entire Fire Nation army), both incredibly powerful benders. At what appeared to be the peak of their carreers, both were suddenly and unceremoniously brought sharply down to earth, Iroh through the death of his son and the shattering of his reality, and Azula through the betrayal of her friends that eventually lead to her insanity. Both were ultimately usurped in position by a sibling that they did not get on with (to say the least).
I've said several times before, Iroh was not always the man he is now. Once he was able to casually joke about burning all of Ba Sing Se to the ground. In 312, he said himself that back then he was a "different man". He has changed.
So Iroh and Azula are actually quite similar. Which might actually have something to do with the fact that they evidently can't stand eachother.
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I think that Iroh and Azula may actually have more of eachother in them than either want to admit, Both were favored children who were groomed from birth to become the future Firelord, both were brilliant generals and tacticians who attempted to conquer Ba Sing Se (although Azula acomplished in less than a week with nothing but hereslf and two friends what Iroh failed to accomplish in two years with the entire Fire Nation army), both incredibly powerful benders. At what appeared to be the peak of their carreers, both were suddenly and unceremoniously brought sharply down to earth, Iroh through the death of his son and the shattering of his reality, and Azula through the betrayal of her friends that eventually lead to her insanity. Both were ultimately usurped in position by a sibling that they did not get on with (to say the least). I've said several times before, Iroh was not always the man he is now. Once he was able to casually joke about burning all of Ba Sing Se to the ground. In 312, he said himself that back then he was a "different man". He has changed. So Iroh and Azula are actually quite similar. Which might actually have something to do with the fact that they evidently can't stand eachother. |
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| But either way you admit that Ursa does love Azula. and yeah I think that's why she told Ozai Zuko killed Aang. She just never expected Zuko to tell on her. |
| Axrendale wrote: |
I think that Iroh and Azula may actually have more of eachother in them than either want to admit, Both were favored children who were groomed from birth to become the future Firelord, both were brilliant generals and tacticians who attempted to conquer Ba Sing Se (although Azula acomplished in less than a week with nothing but hereslf and two friends what Iroh failed to accomplish in two years with the entire Fire Nation army), both incredibly powerful benders. At what appeared to be the peak of their carreers, both were suddenly and unceremoniously brought sharply down to earth, Iroh through the death of his son and the shattering of his reality, and Azula through the betrayal of her friends that eventually lead to her insanity. Both were ultimately usurped in position by a sibling that they did not get on with (to say the least). I've said several times before, Iroh was not always the man he is now. Once he was able to casually joke about burning all of Ba Sing Se to the ground. In 312, he said himself that back then he was a "different man". He has changed. So Iroh and Azula are actually quite similar. Which might actually have something to do with the fact that they evidently can't stand eachother. |
Everyone else has took the words right out of my mind... Except I don't think they had much respect for her... I think every single character (in their own way) straight up FEARED THE HELL out of Azula... People close to her (Mai and Ty Lee) admired her deeply, and to me, they thought of her as cunning, wise, beautiful and talented (but were still visbly intimidated by her)... Ozai valued her as his favourite child, the gaang hated her, but feared her enough to want to avoid any thing that would lead to her wanting to try and capture any of them, and they probably gathered enough information about her to know that she was slightly crazy from the start, Zuko's relationship with her is by far the most interesting in the series (Love/Hate)...
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In "Zuko Alone" Iroh made joes about burning Ba Sing Se to the ground. He was serious too - you picked up the vibe that if he had broken through the inner wall, the city would have been done for. And that was just what we saw through Zuko's memories - we saw nothing of what Iroh got up to on his other campaigns in the Earth Kingdom. Iroh's body count is certainly far higher than Azula's. He may not have been evil, but he certainly wasn't exactly what you'd call "good" either.
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| In "Zuko Alone" Iroh made joes about burning Ba Sing Se to the ground. He was serious too - you picked up the vibe that if he had broken through the inner wall, the city would have been done for. And that was just what we saw through Zuko's memories - we saw nothing of what iroh got up to on his other capiagns in the Earth Kingdom. Iroh's body count is certainly far higher than Azula's. He may not have been evil, but he certainly wasn't exactly what you'd call "good" either. |
| ThisCrazyGuy wrote: |
| Zuko's relationship with her is by far the most interesting in the series (Love/Hate)... |
| Maylene wrote: |
What gets me about Zuko is that he was all sad when Azula was falling down the cliff, where it looked like she was going to die; but when she saves herself--he's bitter about it. His tone certainly wasn't one of relief when he said, "Of course she made it."
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I really don't think that Zuko sounded sad in that scene - to me he came off as though he was aying it because he couldn't believe it. She was Azula - she couldn't die by just falling off a cliff - it was simply inconcievable to him (and everyone else). After she saved herself, he was berating himself for underestimating her.
Since this is the thread for discussing what the other characters think of Azula, has anyone else noticed that Zuko always seems to somehow keep underestimting his sister? Throughout B2 he repeatedly threw himself at her when she was obviously still far too powerful for him, insisting that he was ready to take her. In TSR, as said above, as soon as he saw her falling down he immediatly wrote her off as finished, despite the fact that he knew perfectly well she could fly for brief periods with Firebending, having seen her do it in TBR. In the finale, he once again got cocky, goading her into creating lightning, something that he soon came to regret doing, to say the least.
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| I really don't think that Zuko sounded sad in that scene - to me he came off as though he was aying it because he couldn't believe it. She was Azula - she couldn't die by just falling off a cliff - it was simply inconcievable to him (and everyone else). After she saved herself, he was berating himself for underestimating her.Since this is the thread for discussing what the other characters think of Azula, has anyone else noticed that Zuko always seems to somehow keep underestimting his sister? Thrpughout B2 he repeatedly threw himself at her when she was obviously still far too powerful for him, insisting that he was ready to take her. In TSR, as said above, as soon as he saw her falling down he immediatly wrote her off as finished, despite the fact that he knew perfectly well she could fly for brief periods with Firebending, having seen her do it in TBR. In the finale, he once again got cocky, goading her into creating lightning, something that he soon came to regret doing, to say the least. |
| Maylene wrote: |
What gets me about Zuko is that he was all sad when Azula was falling down the cliff, where it looked like she was going to die; but when she saves herself--he's bitter about it. His tone certainly wasn't one of relief when he said, "Of course she made it." I mean WTF?! |
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| I feel like that's what Zuko felt like. His own sister was about to die at his hands, and all the sudden he had an epiphany. Of course, it was very short lived, but I think it was along those lines. Somewhere, deep inside that something only as strong as death could bring out, Zuko loves Azula. |
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Zuko being sad at the fact that Azula was going to die wasn't my problem---I was happy for a moment. It's when he was bitter about her saving herself, that's when I went "huh?! Zuko, you jerk!" If he had an epiphany, then how do you explain him being angry that Azula lived in TSR? |
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| I'm saying it was a VERY short epiphany. In fact, that's much too strong of a term. When your friend decides she isn't moving, the feelings go straight away. I don't blame Zuko for being dissapointed. You wouldn't want a firebending prodigy that has been trying to track you for a year escaping from death. His feelings change rapidly. It's almost like the way he felt in S1, S2, and the beginning of S3. He's never satisfied and whatever he has he wants something different. |
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LoL. Okay. ^_^ Zuko's indecisiveness may cause him trouble as ruler of the FN though. |
