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    Sektos

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    This is from my blog AGES ago

    4441. Re: Official Character Relationship Discussion 3 | 11/24/2007 2:43am

    IF they did Zutara it would be near the very end of the show-with Katara and Zuko getting closer through the episodes then them getting together. One possible cause being perhaps with something happening that causes final push to kiss one another happening; healing scene, discovery of Ursa's grave, Zuko saving Katara, Aang or entire Gaang etc.

    ONE of Possible result being Aang sees it, and flies off to face fire lord alone. Katara realises Aang is gone and the gaang leaves to go after him before it's too late; later scene Katara explaining feelings to Aang about friendship. Or Aang sees Katara get hurt and realises that his love for her doesn't need her to love him in turn, that her being close to him and in his life is most important- Chakra is released and goes into Avatar state, replacing Zuko who was fighting Ozai whilst Aang was with Katara.

    Or Zutara kiss, but the two are just good friends but Aang misinterprets kiss etc and flies off. With Aang having taken off, Katara realises she cares more for Aang who she has been family with than she thought.

    Seeing how Yue, Jet, Suki all happened quickly in one or 2 episodes, having 6 episodes b4 the finale (which is 4 episodes apparently) give plenty of time for is to develop, IF it does. I think the close friendship is more likely, though I would of course love a relationship

    4443. Re: Official Character Relationship Discussion 3 | 11/24/2007 2:58am

    The other thing is in my point with that Aang still loves Katara, but its unconditional love that isnt necessarily connected to her, bound to her (having to have her love him back romanticly, be his gf etc), so thus letting go of earthly attachments; his love being greater than it

    4446. Re: Official Character Relationship Discussion 3 | 11/24/2007 3:37am

    Ahh, I swear my vocab has died in last week this is prob going to be lousy but;

    Aang would still love her as much as he does now, but without limitations to that love, because its his love for her, not his love of possessing her (her being HIS gf, friend, family etc), but for who she is. It doesn't require it to be reciprocated, its not bound to her feelings of him (which I'm not saying are negative), its not attached to her, its part of himself, part of his nature as the Avatar to care and protect the planet, his feelings for his nation personified in her.

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    WiseLad

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    funny thing is that "if aang did it like Dave thinks" we might get a catch 22; if Aang decides voluntarily to "forget his love for Katara forever" in order to get the Avatar State, it might mean(depending on his thought process) he giving more importance to having the powers of Avatar State over his love of Katara, making the Avatar State his new Earth Attachment
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    WiseLad wrote:
    funny thing is that "if aang did it like Dave thinks" we might get a catch 22; if Aang decides voluntarily to "forget his love for Katara forever" in order to get the Avatar State, it might mean(depending on his thought process) he giving more importance to having the powers of Avatar State over his love of Katara, making the Avatar State his new Earth Attachment

    haha that would suck imagine the finnal battle with Ozai!

    Aang- "f@%K what happened to my glow!"
    Guru- *facepalm* u just dont get it do u Aang!"
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    AnimeAngel90

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    Sektos wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:
    funny thing is that "if aang did it like Dave thinks" we might get a catch 22; if Aang decides voluntarily to "forget his love for Katara forever" in order to get the Avatar State, it might mean(depending on his thought process) he giving more importance to having the powers of Avatar State over his love of Katara, making the Avatar State his new Earth Attachment

    haha that would suck imagine the finnal battle with Ozai!

    Aang- "f@%K what happened to my glow!"
    Guru- *facepalm* u just dont get it do u Aang!"
    Just to be picky, I don't think the spiritual Avatar State could be an EARTHLY attachment. Funny as that would be

    Also, I think its funny how the AS has been locked. First, the Guru said it was locked. Then Aaang let Katara go to unlock it. Then, it was locked again by Azula. So how will Aang possibly unlock it again?

    He has to let Katara go. Meaning either he forgets his feelings for her completely/forgets his romantic feelings for her, or he learns that his duty is more important than her. I dunno, we'll find out when he goes AS I guess. That, or he changes his earthly attachment to Zuko. Then all this katara speculation would be pointless

    Serious question: Will Aang go into the AS in 317, (after all, it looks like he's meditating there, possibly for AS-purposes) or will it be saved for a (timely) dramtic moment in the finale?
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    Sektos

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    WOAH! wait guys- *scratchs head* im fairly sure the creators said that he had NOT unlocked the final chakra. It was my understanding Azula stopped Aang before he had fully opened it and thus sealed (obviously not permanently). Im sure Aang will still have to consider his feelings for Katara again in the finalle and via SOME FORM letting her go achieve the Av state
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    WiseLad wrote:
    the Avatar State his new Earth Attachment
    That sounds like something that could actually happen, scary.
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    Sektos wrote:
    WOAH! wait guys- *scratchs head* im fairly sure the creators said that he had NOT unlocked the final chakra. It was my understanding Azula stopped Aang before he had fully opened it and thus sealed (obviously not permanently). Im sure Aang will still have to consider his feelings for Katara again in the finalle and via SOME FORM letting her go achieve the Av state
    Oh, ok then. He STARTED to unlock his chakra by letting go of Katara before Azula zapped him. But yeah, I agree with you - Azula semi-permanently sealed 7th chakra (by zapping, not by Aang falling for her ), and Aang will have to address feelings for Katara at some stage - whether getting rid of them all together or just lowering them a bit. Depends which ship you support
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    Spacerac

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    WiseLad wrote:
    (An image of Katara appears, and drifts back toward the horizon to finally vanish with a twinkle of light. The sky ceases to spin.)
    I just realized the point of how that scene was directed. It's to show that from Aang's point of view, the universe revolves around Katara.
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    Sektos wrote:
    WOAH! wait guys- *scratchs head* im fairly sure the creators said that he had NOT unlocked the final chakra. It was my understanding Azula stopped Aang before he had fully opened it and thus sealed (obviously not permanently). Im sure Aang will still have to consider his feelings for Katara again in the finalle and via SOME FORM letting her go achieve the Av state


    if Aang had given up Katara in the way Dave sees it, the headband dance, the dream in "nightmares and daydreams" would not have happened, nor the DOBS kiss, as he would have permanently given up on his love for katara, the reaching AS or not doesn't stop that

    the issue is not that if he "opened the AS", (he almost did it but didn't)it is that he "let go of Katara" before meditating and reaching for the AS

    the first time is the hardest, after that it is not as hard.
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    WiseLad wrote:
    Sektos wrote:
    WOAH! wait guys- *scratchs head* im fairly sure the creators said that he had NOT unlocked the final chakra. It was my understanding Azula stopped Aang before he had fully opened it and thus sealed (obviously not permanently). Im sure Aang will still have to consider his feelings for Katara again in the finalle and via SOME FORM letting her go achieve the Av state


    if Aang had given up Katara in the way Dave sees it, the headband dance, the dream in "nightmares and daydreams" would not have happened, nor the DOBS kiss, as he would have permanently given up on his love for katara, the reaching AS or not doesn't stop that

    the issue is not that if he "opened the AS", (he almost did it but didn't)it is that he "let go of Katara" before meditating and reaching for the AS

    the first time is the hardest, after that it is not as hard.


    But (if we assume that it has to be a pemranent thing) he didnt let her go- he was stopped before he mastered the avatar state, thus still retaining his attachments

    I see it more as "how" he loves ppl, rather than not loving them- as i said in my blog and post at top of page.

    Its another analogy to Star Wars
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    Sektos wrote:
    WiseLad wrote:
    Sektos wrote:
    WOAH! wait guys- *scratchs head* im fairly sure the creators said that he had NOT unlocked the final chakra. It was my understanding Azula stopped Aang before he had fully opened it and thus sealed (obviously not permanently). Im sure Aang will still have to consider his feelings for Katara again in the finalle and via SOME FORM letting her go achieve the Av state


    if Aang had given up Katara in the way Dave sees it, the headband dance, the dream in "nightmares and daydreams" would not have happened, nor the DOBS kiss, as he would have permanently given up on his love for katara, the reaching AS or not doesn't stop that

    the issue is not that if he "opened the AS", (he almost did it but didn't)it is that he "let go of Katara" before meditating and reaching for the AS

    the first time is the hardest, after that it is not as hard.


    But (if we assume that it has to be a pemranent thing) he didnt let her go- he was stopped before he mastered the avatar state, thus still retaining his attachments

    I see it more as "how" he loves ppl, rather than not loving them- as i said in my blog and post at top of page.

    Its another analogy to Star Wars
    Star Wars is everywhere! lol

    I agree with your theory though - its "how" he loves people, not "if". So all Aang needs to do is stop being so attached to Katara (universe revolves around her etc). He can still be in love with her, just not the way he loves her now.
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    "When love is real, it finds a way. And being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, either."

    -Roku, the Avatar and the Firelord

    There you go. If Aang's love for Katara is real, Kataang can happen in the end. And if being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, then the chakra thing can't be as binding as people have claimed it to be. If being the Avatar meant having to permanently let go of everything you love, it seems that it would hurt your chances with the ladies. And Roku says that it doesn't. Are you going to argue with the guy who says "Previously, on Avatar"?

    Something tells me that you are.

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    Anyone hungry?

    I got pancakes:

    Now let's end the shipping wars!

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    Kataangel wrote:

    Anyone hungry?

    I got pancakes:

    Now let's end the shipping wars!


    *Takes pancakes*
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    AnimeAngel90

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    SplitReflection wrote:

    "When love is real, it finds a way. And being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, either."

    -Roku, the Avatar and the Firelord

    There you go. If Aang's love for Katara is real, Kataang can happen in the end. And if being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, then the chakra thing can't be as binding as people have claimed it to be. If being the Avatar meant having to permanently let go of everything you love, it seems that it would hurt your chances with the ladies. And Roku says that it doesn't. Are you going to argue with the guy who says "Previously, on Avatar"?

    Something tells me that you are.

    You bet I am! Ok, chakras can't be binding? Then why on earth were they introduced and emphasised if they are just some casual thing Aang can just brush off? Why has his struggle between powers and Katara been emphasised so much if they aren't binding? Answer: Because they are binding! Else there is no point to them!

    Next, Aang does not have to give up everything he loves. He can still have friends and family figures, and other people he cares about. He just has to give up his earthly attachment, which happens to be Katara. Why? Well, quite frankly, because in "The Guru" he buggered off to 'save' her, and risked the entire world when doing so. The minute he heard she was in danger, he disappeared. He risked learning about the AS, risked his capability of saving the world, just because of Katara. This is dangerous in the extreme for Aang (and the poor world) – he can't have such an attachment to Katara. For Kataangers, yes he can still love her. He just can't be so attached to her. He needs to put the world first, like Roku did. Roku left his wife to go save everyone when the volcano erupted. But Aang went back to the girl. Which isn't allowed for the Avatar, as it means his ability to protect/save the world is severely hindered.

    Also, about your "chances with the ladies" – they are non-existent if the ladies don't actually like you that way, whether you are the Avatar or not. As of yet, Katara's feelings are still ambiguous (no matter what side of the ship war you're on). This also applies to the "real love" argument – I was under the impression love, while it can easily be one-sided (like Kataang currently is), is generally referred to as "real" when feelings are mutual. Let's just not get into the argument about the depth of Aang's feelings though.....we'll just say they are real

    So yeah, IF love is real, it finds a way. And being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies that actually like you back.

    Ok, rant finally over now

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    SplitReflection

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    AnimeAngel90 wrote:
    SplitReflection wrote:

    "When love is real, it finds a way. And being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, either."

    -Roku, the Avatar and the Firelord

    There you go. If Aang's love for Katara is real, Kataang can happen in the end. And if being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, then the chakra thing can't be as binding as people have claimed it to be. If being the Avatar meant having to permanently let go of everything you love, it seems that it would hurt your chances with the ladies. And Roku says that it doesn't. Are you going to argue with the guy who says "Previously, on Avatar"?

    Something tells me that you are.

    You bet I am! Ok, chakras can't be binding? Then why on earth were they introduced and emphasised if they are just some casual thing Aang can just brush off? Why has his struggle between powers and Katara been emphasised so much if they aren't binding? Answer: Because they are binding! Else there is no point to them!

    Next, Aang does not have to give up everything he loves. He can still have friends and family figures, and other people he cares about. He just has to give up his earthly attachment, which happens to be Katara. Why? Well, quite frankly, because in "The Guru" he buggered off to 'save' her, and risked the entire world when doing so. The minute he heard she was in danger, he disappeared. He risked learning about the AS, risked his capability of saving the world, just because of Katara. This is dangerous in the extreme for Aang (and the poor world) – he can't have such an attachment to Katara. For Kataangers, yes he can still love her. He just can't be so attached to her. He needs to put the world first, like Roku did. Roku left his wife to go save everyone when the volcano erupted. But Aang went back to the girl. Which isn't allowed for the Avatar, as it means his ability to protect/save the world is severely hindered.

    Also, about your "chances with the ladies" – they are non-existent if the ladies don't actually like you that way, whether you are the Avatar or not. As of yet, Katara's feelings are still ambiguous (no matter what side of the ship war you're on). This also applies to the "real love" argument – I was under the impression love, while it can easily be one-sided (like Kataang currently is), is generally referred to as "real" when feelings are mutual. Let's just not get into the argument about the depth of Aang's feelings though.....we'll just say they are real

    So yeah, IF love is real, it finds a way. And being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies that actually like you back.

    Ok, rant finally over now

    *Eats pancake.*

    Edited on 05/05/2008 4:23am
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    Miroku78

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    SplitReflection wrote:
    AnimeAngel90 wrote:
    SplitReflection wrote:

    "When love is real, it finds a way. And being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, either."

    -Roku, the Avatar and the Firelord

    There you go. If Aang's love for Katara is real, Kataang can happen in the end. And if being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, then the chakra thing can't be as binding as people have claimed it to be. If being the Avatar meant having to permanently let go of everything you love, it seems that it would hurt your chances with the ladies. And Roku says that it doesn't. Are you going to argue with the guy who says "Previously, on Avatar"?

    Something tells me that you are.

    You bet I am! Ok, chakras can't be binding? Then why on earth were they introduced and emphasised if they are just some casual thing Aang can just brush off? Why has his struggle between powers and Katara been emphasised so much if they aren't binding? Answer: Because they are binding! Else there is no point to them!

    Next, Aang does not have to give up everything he loves. He can still have friends and family figures, and other people he cares about. He just has to give up his earthly attachment, which happens to be Katara. Why? Well, quite frankly, because in "The Guru" he buggered off to 'save' her, and risked the entire world when doing so. The minute he heard she was in danger, he disappeared. He risked learning about the AS, risked his capability of saving the world, just because of Katara. This is dangerous in the extreme for Aang (and the poor world) ??? he can't have such an attachment to Katara. For Kataangers, yes he can still love her. He just can't be so attached to her. He needs to put the world first, like Roku did. Roku left his wife to go save everyone when the volcano erupted. But Aang went back to the girl. Which isn't allowed for the Avatar, as it means his ability to protect/save the world is severely hindered.

    Also, about your "chances with the ladies" ??? they are non-existent if the ladies don't actually like you that way, whether you are the Avatar or not. As of yet, Katara's feelings are still ambiguous (no matter what side of the ship war you're on). This also applies to the "real love" argument ??? I was under the impression love, while it can easily be one-sided (like Kataang currently is), is generally referred to as "real" when feelings are mutual. Let's just not get into the argument about the depth of Aang's feelings though.....we'll just say they are real

    So yeah, IF love is real, it finds a way. And being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies that actually like you back.

    Ok, rant finally over now

    *Eats pancake.*



    That was grown adults picture right there.

    Also to AnimeAngel90's comment. Of course Aang's feelings for Katara is real.

    (Especially when you have a wet dream of kissing her.) XD
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    AlwaysKataang wrote:
    I have a ton or reasons why I ship Kataang. I liked the pairing since the first episode where Aang started showing an interest in Katara. This went on for several episodes until Katara started showing feelings towards Aang. I'm not the kind of person who ships what LOOKS hot or cute or whatever. I go by chemistry, I guess and they make such a cute couple. Some Zutarians say Aang's too young or too short, but I completely disagree.

    Too short? Bald? I see nothing wrong with the fact that Aang is too short. I don't even see why looks matter. And Katara's not the type of person to judge, either. Besides, he IS going to grow up. And when he does, huh. Hopefully they'll have an epilogue in the future ^^

    Too young? There's a two year difference between Zuko and Katara as well. And this is a different world. Obviously age doesn't matter if it's normal for a sixteen year old to marry.

    And when SOME (Note the some) use the opposites attract thing with Zuko being a firebender and Katara water? First off, I think it's a poor reason to state why they should be together. Besides, isn't Aang a firebender, too?

    There's also the excuse that Zuko lost his mother and his father hates him, so he needs someone like Katara to comfort him. Aang has lost a lot more than Zuko. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for Zuko and all, but Aang lost his entire family. His origin. He then finds out he's the avatar and has to defeat the firelord or else it's his fault and the world ends. He can't be a normal kid. Zuko only his mother and we don't even know if she's dead or not. He wants to defeat his father, so he doesn't care about him. And I don't know about you, but I'd rather lose one family member than my whole family o_0

    And I don't think Katara needs someone who's always unhappy and miserable. She needs someone who would make her happy and her life fun. I mean, if it weren't for Aang, her home would probably be destroyed and she'd be dead.

    Aang as a little brother? Ugh, I hate this. Katara's motherly to everyone. It's not just Aang. Everyone. And big sister's don't kiss, hug, or give romantic looks repeatedly to little brothers.

    I guess I just have my own opinions, but what I find more romantic is falling in love with your best friend. It's like if you knew this person for so long and then it suddenly hits you that you have feelings for that person, but you're too scared to admit it. And then when that person has the same feelings as you do. I don't know. I just find it more romantic than hating someone at first, and then falling in love with them. It's too quick.

    So...yeah. That's why I like Kataang
    Spoken like a true kataanger *shakes hand* I completely agree
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    LeonMorado

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    AlwaysKataang wrote:
    I have a ton or reasons why I ship Kataang. I liked the pairing since the first episode where Aang started showing an interest in Katara. This went on for several episodes until Katara started showing feelings towards Aang. I'm not the kind of person who ships what LOOKS hot or cute or whatever. I go by chemistry, I guess and they make such a cute couple. Some Zutarians say Aang's too young or too short, but I completely disagree.

    Too short? Bald? I see nothing wrong with the fact that Aang is too short. I don't even see why looks matter. And Katara's not the type of person to judge, either. Besides, he IS going to grow up. And when he does, huh. Hopefully they'll have an epilogue in the future ^^

    Too young? There's a two year difference between Zuko and Katara as well. And this is a different world. Obviously age doesn't matter if it's normal for a sixteen year old to marry.

    And when SOME (Note the some) use the opposites attract thing with Zuko being a firebender and Katara water? First off, I think it's a poor reason to state why they should be together. Besides, isn't Aang a firebender, too?

    There's also the excuse that Zuko lost his mother and his father hates him, so he needs someone like Katara to comfort him. Aang has lost a lot more than Zuko. Don't get me wrong, I feel bad for Zuko and all, but Aang lost his entire family. His origin. He then finds out he's the avatar and has to defeat the firelord or else it's his fault and the world ends. He can't be a normal kid. Zuko only his mother and we don't even know if she's dead or not. He wants to defeat his father, so he doesn't care about him. And I don't know about you, but I'd rather lose one family member than my whole family o_0

    And I don't think Katara needs someone who's always unhappy and miserable. She needs someone who would make her happy and her life fun. I mean, if it weren't for Aang, her home would probably be destroyed and she'd be dead.

    Aang as a little brother? Ugh, I hate this. Katara's motherly to everyone. It's not just Aang. Everyone. And big sister's don't kiss, hug, or give romantic looks repeatedly to little brothers.

    I guess I just have my own opinions, but what I find more romantic is falling in love with your best friend. It's like if you knew this person for so long and then it suddenly hits you that you have feelings for that person, but you're too scared to admit it. And then when that person has the same feelings as you do. I don't know. I just find it more romantic than hating someone at first, and then falling in love with them. It's too quick.

    So...yeah. That's why I like Kataang
    *swings in dressed like zorro*

    1)cartoons are a primarily visual medium, if you're gonna make a cartoon couple, you're gonna make them look good together. of course whether or not they do is a matter of opinion

    2)kataang age gap =/= zutara age gap. trust me, a LOT more goes on in the two years between 12 and 14 than between 14 and 16.

    3)it's not as simplistic as "opposites attract." a balance of opposing forces is a running theme throughout the show. and no, aang's aand being a firebender doesn't apply to that balance because his water-, earth-, and firebending are all secondary to his airbending nature.

    3)aang didn't have a mother. yeah, he lost everyone he knew and cared about, but from what we see the family dynamics among the air nomads don't differentiate separate families. at least not among the monks. the entire air nomad community acts as family, and although that doesn't make losing them any less painful, it does make the experience completely different. it's not about who's suffered more, it's about being able to relate to the experience.

    4)just because he's not dancing around all happy-go lucky all the time doesn't mean he's angry and miserable all the time. now that he's not all angry he's just delightfully awkward. besides, we're not really in a position to decide what katara needs in a relationship, but in my opinion, it's not a pubescent boy.

    5)she doesn't treat aang like a brother. but she certainly doesn't treat him like a crush either. she treats him like a best friend, which is, in my opinion, why she hasn't said anything about the DOBS kiss. it's hard to turn down someone you care about.

    *carves giant LM into thread with sword*

    *flees*
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    Spacerac

    [1880]May 5, 2008
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    SplitReflection wrote:

    "When love is real, it finds a way. And being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, either."

    -Roku, the Avatar and the Firelord

    There you go. If Aang's love for Katara is real, Kataang can happen in the end. And if being the Avatar doesn't hurt your chances with the ladies, then the chakra thing can't be as binding as people have claimed it to be. If being the Avatar meant having to permanently let go of everything you love, it seems that it would hurt your chances with the ladies. And Roku says that it doesn't. Are you going to argue with the guy who says "Previously, on Avatar"?

    Something tells me that you are.

    It's not just Roku. "Perfection and power are overrated. I think you were very wise to choose happiness and love."
    You can't argue with Iroh either.
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