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The Azula madness topic *spoilers*

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    nyfan

    [41]Apr 27, 2008
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    o0Navras0o wrote:

    It's sad for Azula because it isn't her fault that she was raised by a egotistical and power-hungry father, Zuko would have turned out the same if they switched places. It would be awesome if both could be redeemed in some way, instead of just Zuko because he was fortunate enough to be raised by good and kind people like his mom and uncle.

    I think Azula will realize that power isn't enough like his dad imprinted on her..

    I never saw a friendship there, maybe when they were kids but not later, because she forced Ty Lee to join her, and she ordered them around all the time. She knew Mai had feelings for Zuko and hunted his brother anyway, Ty Lee also had some sympathy for Iroh and she said so in one episode. Though it always seemed to me that Azula had more consideration with Ty Lee than with Mai, to the point of saying sorry and admitting she was jealous.

    I do think there is a true friendship at some point, and got lost at some point. Azula reaction says that, because she was legitmatly furious and even hurt by their betrayl. She actully lost her cool. If they were just random Fire Nation soulders that she barely knew or Dai Lee agents, Azula would have reactly differently, and treated their betryal as business as usual.

    Edited on 04/27/2008 12:44pm
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    PsychoPass

    [42]Apr 27, 2008
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    Maylene wrote:
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    Because you don't just KILL the people you've been friends with your entire life.


    That's funny considering Mai's the one who chose her boyfriend over her "friend since she was little girl" and said that she loved Zuko more than she FEARED Azula. Feared, of all words to say. I mean you don't go betraying friends just like that either. I'm gonna have to go with the censorship.


    Was Mai doing that to kill Azula, though? No. Azula thought Mai was still her "friend". Even though she was betrayed, I don't believe Azula is cold enough to just kill them right on the spot.
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    PsychoPass wrote:
    Maylene wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    Because you don't just KILL the people you've been friends with your entire life.


    That's funny considering Mai's the one who chose her boyfriend over her "friend since she was little girl" and said that she loved Zuko more than she FEARED Azula. Feared, of all words to say. I mean you don't go betraying friends just like that either. I'm gonna have to go with the censorship.


    Was Mai doing that to kill Azula, though? No. Azula thought Mai was still her "friend". Even though she was betrayed, I don't believe Azula is cold enough to just kill them right on the spot.

    True maybe she was only going to miss her with her lighning then Mai you fall back into place
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    AllKnowingBeing

    [44]Apr 27, 2008
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    Maybe she is going crazy because she is madly in love with her brother. Zucest FTW!
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    mister001

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    avataraang4 wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    Maylene wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    Because you don't just KILL the people you've been friends with your entire life.


    That's funny considering Mai's the one who chose her boyfriend over her "friend since she was little girl" and said that she loved Zuko more than she FEARED Azula. Feared, of all words to say. I mean you don't go betraying friends just like that either. I'm gonna have to go with the censorship.


    Was Mai doing that to kill Azula, though? No. Azula thought Mai was still her "friend". Even though she was betrayed, I don't believe Azula is cold enough to just kill them right on the spot.

    True maybe she was only going to miss her with her lighning then Mai you fall back into place


    I really really doubt that....
    else ty lee wouldn't have blocked the chi flow in her arm first.
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    Maylene

    [46]Apr 27, 2008
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    Flip this to the left and it looks like the scene where Azula is yelling at Mai, saying that she should have feared her more [than loving Zuko].
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    cdkee

    [47]Apr 27, 2008
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    Yes, she is probably going mad from the frustration of the series of events occuring.

    Zuko / Sokka / prisoners escaping from BR, Her best friends going against her, perhaps Ozai is starting to consider her a failure now as well.

    Or perhaps the fact that her mother didn't really love her the same as Zuko is the source of her sociopath nature?

    Who knows?
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    SgtHydra

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    Maybe she'll join the gaang and Azulaang will become real!

    Or maybe mary jane is going to my head.

    Oh well...

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    misterham

    [49]Apr 27, 2008
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    Maylene wrote:


    Flip this to the left and it looks like the scene where Azula is yelling at Mai, saying that she should have feared her more [than loving Zuko].

    nah, i think this is a different scene. she doesn't close her eyes like that and it's a different angle
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    SgtHydra wrote:

    Maybe she'll join the gaang and Azulaang will become real!

    Or maybe mary jane is going to my head.

    Oh well...



    Have you taken your pills yet today?
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    nyfan

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    cdkee wrote:
    Yes, she is probably going mad from the frustration of the series of events occuring. Zuko / Sokka / prisoners escaping from BR, Her best friends going against her, perhaps Ozai is starting to consider her a failure now as well. Or perhaps the fact that her mother didn't really love her the same as Zuko is the source of her sociopath nature? Who knows?

    It shows Azula is not "exactly" like Ozai. She is mostly like Ozai, but what seperates them is Ozai doesn't care about anybody or how anyone feels about him. Azula cares what few people think of her. Weather she wants to admit it or not, she cares what her mother thought of her, she cares what her friends think of her. It does bother her that to her perception that her mother loved Zuko more, and really infruated her when Mai said she loved Zuko more than she feared her. Those things play a part in her madness.

    If Ozai had all the power in the world, and knew that every person hated him, I think he would be cool with that. He didn't hesitate in killing his own son.

    Edited on 04/28/2008 4:33am
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    Maylene

    [52]Apr 27, 2008
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    nyfan wrote:
    It shows Azula is not "exactly" like Ozai. She is mostly like Ozai, but what seperates them is Ozai doesn't care about anybody or how anyone feels about him. Azula cares what few people think of her. Weather she wants to admit it or not, she cares what her mother thought of her, she cares what her friends think of her. It does bother her that to her perception that her mother loved Zuko more, and really infruated her when Mai said she loved Zuko more than she feared her. Those things play a part in her madness.

    If Ozai had all the power in the world, and knew that every person hated him, he would be cool with that.

    Well put. ^_^ Azula does care for what those people you stated thought about her. She just wasn't so blunt and obvious about it.
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    isabelwhatx

    [53]May 6, 2008
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    I think it's actually quite simple (forgive me, I didn't read most of the posts so sorry if I repeated this). Azula has lost her balance. She used to be very calm and collected, except for some brief flashes of anger. Now, not only did her plan not work to take down Zuko, but her two "friends" betrayed her. All three of those in the same day must've really taken a toll on her. She's losing, and it's driving her mad. I think that leads to the mirror/Osa reference.
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    isabelwhatx

    [54]May 6, 2008
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    nyfan wrote:

    cdkee wrote:
    Yes, she is probably going mad from the frustration of the series of events occuring. Zuko / Sokka / prisoners escaping from BR, Her best friends going against her, perhaps Ozai is starting to consider her a failure now as well. Or perhaps the fact that her mother didn't really love her the same as Zuko is the source of her sociopath nature? Who knows?

    It shows Azula is not "exactly" like Ozai. She is mostly like Ozai, but what seperates them is Ozai doesn't care about anybody or how anyone feels about him. Azula cares what few people think of her. Weather she wants to admit it or not, she cares what her mother thought of her, she cares what her friends think of her. It does bother her that to her perception that her mother loved Zuko more, and really infruated her when Mai said she loved Zuko more than she feared her. Those things play a part in her madness.

    If Ozai had all the power in the world, and knew that every person hated him, I think he would be cool with that. He didn't hesitate in killing his own son.



    To support that, Azula looked very hurt (well, as hurt as Azula gets) when she discovered that Ty Lee and Mai had betrayed her. Her calm and cool state has evaporated.
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    xRamensx

    [55]May 6, 2008
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    I wrote a fairly long indepth character analysis of Azula on CAPSLOCK, so I'll try to remember some of it. Warning, this will be very indepth. Wall o' text is a'comin!

    After Zuko was born, Ozai probably had very high expectations of him, thinking that Zuko would be naturally good at Firebending. When Zuko didn't show any, or little, abilities right away, Ozai saw him as a loss cause and gave up on him. Azula was born, and probably showed Firebending abilities very early on in life, and also the fact that she was a second born like Ozai, he felt even more attachment towards her. Ursa coddled Zuko because she didn't like the sight of her son struggling, and didn't do so with Azula because Ozai probably kept Azula away from her mother as much as possible, in fear of Azula becoming like Zuko.

    Now, Azula might have been born competitive, like a lot of people are. Take that competitive nature, add being a prodigy, and Ozai constantly doting over her to become stronger than Zuko, or even stronger than Iroh. Ursa probably thought that Azula was too much like Ozai and didn't openly love Azula as much as she did with Zuko. Azula, who probably was very similar to Ozai at this point, still could feel rejection but didn't know how to express herself so she just kept that feeling inside.

    As Azula progressed in her Firebending, and Zuko struggling behind, Azula also probably got her father's feelings that Zuko was weak and hopeless. Ursa most likely resented Azula's attitude towards Zuko, and like Ozai, gave up on Azula. However, Ursa did show signs once and a while that she hoped that Azula was different, but it never seemed to get through to her.

    Mai and Ty Lee were probably the closed people she had who showed mutual love towards her. Though she seemed to take advantage of them, she also showed that she cared about them. In her own way of course. If suddenly, Mai finally confronts her and says that she loves Zuko more than she fears Azula, Azula's obviously going to react negatively to that. Then more unexpected, Ty Lee acts against her to protect Mai. It's not a sure thing if Azula more upset that someone stood up against her, or that her friends betrayed her just like Zuko had done not long before.

    With the added weight of prisoners escaping the prison, her friends betraying her, and possibly her father seeing her as weak or something, it's no wonder that Azula would freak out. Especially if all your life people redeemed and feared you, and suddenly you lose all that.

    If all that happened, Azula might start thinking of Ursa, the only person who never actually feared her. These hallucinations will probably start to make Azula realize this fact, driving her further into her insanity.

    I'm not going to start up more theories, I think that's enough for now. I was starting to waver off anyway.

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    esquisofrenic

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    ravenfilange24 wrote:
    snowprincess456 wrote:
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    Lupusgirl wrote:

    I know why she's so mad

    Someone stole her drugs

    nice one
    that does make some sense..

    lol... I expect Azula is an avid user of what are they... "behavioral" medications? Although they don't seem to be helping much.

    HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH she takes drugs
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    zimtower

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    xRamensx wrote:

    I wrote a fairly long indepth character analysis of Azula on CAPSLOCK, so I'll try to remember some of it. Warning, this will be very indepth. Wall o' text is a'comin!

    After Zuko was born, Ozai probably had very high expectations of him, thinking that Zuko would be naturally good at Firebending. When Zuko didn't show any, or little, abilities right away, Ozai saw him as a loss cause and gave up on him. Azula was born, and probably showed Firebending abilities very early on in life, and also the fact that she was a second born like Ozai, he felt even more attachment towards her. Ursa coddled Zuko because she didn't like the sight of her son struggling, and didn't do so with Azula because Ozai probably kept Azula away from her mother as much as possible, in fear of Azula becoming like Zuko.

    Now, Azula might have been born competitive, like a lot of people are. Take that competitive nature, add being a prodigy, and Ozai constantly doting over her to become stronger than Zuko, or even stronger than Iroh. Ursa probably thought that Azula was too much like Ozai and didn't openly love Azula as much as she did with Zuko. Azula, who probably was very similar to Ozai at this point, still could feel rejection but didn't know how to express herself so she just kept that feeling inside.

    As Azula progressed in her Firebending, and Zuko struggling behind, Azula also probably got her father's feelings that Zuko was weak and hopeless. Ursa most likely resented Azula's attitude towards Zuko, and like Ozai, gave up on Azula. However, Ursa did show signs once and a while that she hoped that Azula was different, but it never seemed to get through to her.

    Mai and Ty Lee were probably the closed people she had who showed mutual love towards her. Though she seemed to take advantage of them, she also showed that she cared about them. In her own way of course. If suddenly, Mai finally confronts her and says that she loves Zuko more than she fears Azula, Azula's obviously going to react negatively to that. Then more unexpected, Ty Lee acts against her to protect Mai. It's not a sure thing if Azula more upset that someone stood up against her, or that her friends betrayed her just like Zuko had done not long before.

    With the added weight of prisoners escaping the prison, her friends betraying her, and possibly her father seeing her as weak or something, it's no wonder that Azula would freak out. Especially if all your life people redeemed and feared you, and suddenly you lose all that.

    If all that happened, Azula might start thinking of Ursa, the only person who never actually feared her. These hallucinations will probably start to make Azula realize this fact, driving her further into her insanity.

    I'm not going to start up more theories, I think that's enough for now. I was starting to waver off anyway.


    All that we know now is that Azula cant lightningbend anymore She probably blew up that airship in the trailer trying to lightingbend.
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    esquisofrenic

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    isabelwhatx wrote:
    nyfan wrote:

    cdkee wrote:
    Yes, she is probably going mad from the frustration of the series of events occuring. Zuko / Sokka / prisoners escaping from BR, Her best friends going against her, perhaps Ozai is starting to consider her a failure now as well. Or perhaps the fact that her mother didn't really love her the same as Zuko is the source of her sociopath nature? Who knows?

    It shows Azula is not "exactly" like Ozai. She is mostly like Ozai, but what seperates them is Ozai doesn't care about anybody or how anyone feels about him. Azula cares what few people think of her. Weather she wants to admit it or not, she cares what her mother thought of her, she cares what her friends think of her. It does bother her that to her perception that her mother loved Zuko more, and really infruated her when Mai said she loved Zuko more than she feared her. Those things play a part in her madness.

    If Ozai had all the power in the world, and knew that every person hated him, I think he would be cool with that. He didn't hesitate in killing his own son.



    To support that, Azula looked very hurt (well, as hurt as Azula gets) when she discovered that Ty Lee and Mai had betrayed her. Her calm and cool state has evaporated.
    of curse, they were her best friends
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