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| sadist_activst wrote: |
| Iroh knew so much about the illness which makes me think the same thing happened to him once. |
| sadist_activst wrote: |
| Iroh knew so much about the illness which makes me think the same thing happened to him once. |
you hit it on the nail because I was think that too! I have always wonder how Iroh made it to the?? spirt (sp?? ain't my think) world and if Zuko makes it through ( he will) then maybe he will have that same connection as his uncle. I thought at first that the red dragon was???? suppose to be Iroh's symbol because he??is the dragon of the west and??it is red because the last avatar had a red?? dragon.
| BrainMan820 wrote: |
| Here is my take on the dreams. The Dragon Dream - The first significant part about this dream is that Zuko is Fire Lord. I believe this is representative of the power he holds at this stage in his life. The Fire Lord was always strong and powerful, and made decisions that affected the entire world. Zuko's at a critical defining stage, and his choices are going to affect. Surrounding him are the Azula and Iroh dragon. They are people that shaped him in his life. Strange that Ursa and Ozai are not there, but anyway. Azula is representative of all the traits of Zuko he shares with her: his impatience, lust for power, destructiveness, and deceit. Iroh is representative of the other traits of Zuko that Iroh has been influencing: kindness, patience, calm. The blue dragon is urging Zuko to become complacent, and give in to his own desires; desires of power, of wanting his birthright. The red dragon urges that blue is not to be trusted, and, if blue dragon is representative of Azula, then she surely is not. Zuko starts to fall asleep, but then the blue dragon hisses out "just like Mother." This is a little hard to interpret because we know so little about Ursa. This could be taken literally, that Ursa gave into her desires to protect Zuko and was punished, or it could be taken metaphorically. Ursa was clearly the good influence in Zuko's life, and getting complacent with the blue dragon would mean the death of those good things. The Face Dream - Zuko and Aang were always presented as parallels to each other. Both of them were scarred (Aang learning he was the Avatar, Zuko's banishment), were torn away from loving parental figures(Monk Gyasto and Princess Ursa). In "Bitter Work" we saw how psychological impediements prevented them from mastering their bending. In a way, their minds are preventing them from mastering their own power: especially firebending (Aang's resolution that he will never firebend again because of it's power, and Zuko's inability to bend lightning). The Avatar is, according to Iroh, extremely powerful because he combines everything into one. Although Zuko cannot bend any element other then fire, he not only utilizes a waterbending technique, but he combines knowledge and the attitudes of different cultures. Living in the Earth Kingdom for so long as clearly changed his outlook. |
Let's talk real quick about what the colors of the dragons could mean. Red is the most emotionally intense color, and stimulates a faster heartbeat and breathing. It is also the color of love. Iroh portrayed the voice of this dragon. - A person who Zuko truly respects.
Dark red is associated with vigor, willpower, rage, anger, leadership, courage, longing, malice, and wrath.
The color blue causes the opposite reaction as red. Peaceful, tranquil blue causes the body to produce calming chemicals. Blue can also be cold and depressing. Azula voiced the blue dragon and was continually trying to make Zuko fall asleep. -Possibly to never wake up again (?).
Dark blue represents knowledge, power, integrity, and seriousness.
I thought it was pretty weird that it showed the two dragons in Zuko's dream especially since, in a previous episode called "The Blue Spirit" - Katara is wearing a crown with two dragons on it... Did anyone else catch on to this?
-The Twins
http://www.avatarspirit.net/images/screenshots/113/175.jpgi have 2??theories on wat his dreams might mean.
first
i think that his first dream was not whats gonna happen in the future, but a?? process of tryin to find out what he really wants and whats the right thing to do in life.??i think the ??blue dragon was tryin to make him give up or try to make him do whats not right .??the blue dragon might be??his past (azula , blue spirit) and the red dragon might be his present, tryin to make him leave his past behind him and move on. also as for his missing scar i think its not there cause hes fighting with?? himself internally not externally and the scar dose not exist internally.
i think the second dream is what he wants to do deep down inside, help aang. he got??freaked out??cause he knows that the avatar is his key to home and his throne, but wants to do the right think and help out aang and betray his father.??
second
maybe his mind??was in the spirit world.( i remember in one epp. iroh said that he journeyed to the spirit world) he was going through a spiritual sickness of some-kind soo thats why i think that maybe his mind was in the spirit world. but thats just wat i think??
I'm??not sure that what he saw in his dream is what he wanted to see... I mean, when he saw himself as Aang in the mirror? -It did not look as if he wanted to see that.??
I??feel like Katara??will be the one who heals Zuko's scar.?? - Isn't it a bit ironic that she stayed behind to help the earth king and Zuko is still in the village?
The Twins
Actually, after Bitter Works, I had this really strange thought.......
what if theres more then 1 Avatar? What if Zuko was also the Avatar? Think about it! The Avatar is usually told about their destiny at age 16, but Zuko was banished at that point, so it was useless to tell him. Only, no one knows that he's the Avatar, except for Iroh (Spirit world travel and all) 'Cause remeber in Bitter Works when Iroh was teaching Zuko about the elements??? So when Zuko saw himself as Aang, he could have been seeing what he's to become (T.T Bald, damnit. XD)
Crazy theory, but I believe it.
| ZukoFan wrote: |
| What do you guys think it means? The one with the dragons. Could him being Fire Lord/no scar be a sort of prediction? Discuss. |
| Princess_Sasuke wrote: |
Actually, after Bitter Works, I had this really strange thought....... what if theres more then 1 Avatar? What if Zuko was also the Avatar? Think about it! The Avatar is usually told about their destiny at age 16, but Zuko was banished at that point, so it was useless to tell him. Only, no one knows that he's the Avatar, except for Iroh (Spirit world travel and all) 'Cause remeber in Bitter Works when Iroh was teaching Zuko about the elements??? So when Zuko saw himself as Aang, he could have been seeing what he's to become (T.T Bald, damnit. XD) Crazy theory, but I believe it. |
| Smileandbehappy wrote: |
| Ok one thing has been bothering me you know how Zuko saw himself with the arows and stuff. People have been saying that he might have been avatar next...but he would not have, because even though we don't know the order of avatars the avarta before and was from the firenation so it would not go fir air fire it would got though all and then bakc to the begining. And I don't think all avaters have the arows just airbenders (not sure) but I think Zuko was seeing more of Aang that the avater, becasue if he was going to be avatar he would not have the arows. right? does this make any sense? |
we DO know the avatar cycle... it is AIR, WATER, EARTH, FIRE... it is mentioned in the 3rd episode when Aang goes to the Southern Air Temple and sees the statues of all the previous Avatars
and the arrows are only for Master Airbenders, which we have been told by the creators of the show...
The dream sequence was a parallel of Zuko becoming part of the Avatar's destiny once there is no scars left within him (as well I'm sure on the outside)... which as the finale has hinted at, there were be a "Crossroads of Destiny"
| DarkAngel101 wrote: |
| I think that the first dream Zuko had involved a possible future for him. The red dragon was Iroh, trying to bring??him to the side of good??and the blue dragon was Azula, trying to bekon him to the??side of evil??(I think). |
| Sweetdreams27 wrote: |
first i thought it wasnt him he looked weird then when they said prince zuko i was look oh snap. and he was seeing the future so yeah i guess katara cures his scar and then he becomes the fire lord. i think that azula killed their mom! |
| fierce_beloved wrote: |
Let's talk real quick about what the colors of the dragons could mean. Red is the most emotionally intense color, and stimulates a faster heartbeat and breathing. It is also the color of love. Iroh portrayed the voice of this dragon. - A person who Zuko truly respects. Dark red is associated with vigor, willpower, rage, anger, leadership, courage, longing, malice, and wrath. The color blue causes the opposite reaction as red. Peaceful, tranquil blue causes the body to produce calming chemicals. Blue can also be cold and depressing. Azula voiced the blue dragon and was continually trying to make Zuko fall asleep. -Possibly to never wake up again (?). Dark blue represents knowledge, power, integrity, and seriousness. I thought it was pretty weird that it showed the two dragons in Zuko's dream especially since, in a previous episode called "The Blue Spirit" - Katara is wearing a crown with two dragons on it... Did anyone else catch on to this? -The Twins |
Wow, how'd you notice that? I couldn't even tell they were dragons at first. Not that it matters, but it was interesting to me that Zuko was skilled with broadswords because broadswords is a weapon somethings used along with push hands T'ai Chi, which in this show is waterbending. Random comment, I'll get to the point.
Even thought those two dragons may have been on her crown I doubt they had anything to do with Zuko (my theory probably didn't either but I'd thought I'd throw it out there...). Avatar Rokus was also associated with dragons and Iroh is the Dragon of the West, right? I think that The Dragon of the West thing has more to do with it, if for no other reason it's Zuko's subconcious broadcasting this dream; how was he suppose to know there were two dragons on that Earth Kingdom crown? Since Azula is a firebending prodigy he probably associated her with a blue dragon because she can bend blue flames and dragons were suppose to be a firebenders animal guide, weren't they? As for Iroh's dragon being red, I think it was just red because in Yin and Yang red is Yang and Yin is blue so...yeah.
| MCMLXVI wrote: | ||
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Well, the eppy description on Turbonick ('cause they're so accurate about their own show ) mentions Zuko's dreams predicting strange things.?? Yes, he remembers himself pre-scar and it could've just been a general dream, but I think that was also a glimpse into the future... or at least what Zuko wants for his future.??
BTW, I've been trying to figure out what the sleep references were in his dream.?? I??feel strongly that??Ursa is not dead... I'm thinking maybe that "give in to it, just close your eyes for a while" refers to being caught "napping", i.e. letting your guard down.?? Ursa was Zuko's protector in the family: maybe she let her guard down and Azula and/or Ozai did something behind her back.?? I have a whole theory on that, but I won't rehash it here.
