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Should Aang Have Killed Ozai?

Should Aang have killed Fire Lord Ozai?

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    KingCAWisma

    [21]Jul 19, 2008
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    katrah88 wrote:
    wow... ummm you REALLY need to change your title (the entire title) and you REALLY need to put spoilers in it
    why would I put spoilers in? What if some really big Avatar fan who hadn't seen it because he was grounded or something stumbled across this forum and I turned out to be the d!ck who ruined it for him? I don't want to be a d!ck. Spoilers are g@y.
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    Vampgirl13

    [22]Jul 19, 2008
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    I don't think Aang should of killed Ozai. Like someone said earlier, not having bending and the power he had is probably worse than death.
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    windseeker15

    [23]Jul 19, 2008
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    I wouldn't have minded if he did kill Ozai, but what he did was good enough. Paralyzing Ozai and locking him away ought to torment him.
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    KingCAWisma

    [24]Jul 20, 2008
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    windseeker15 wrote:
    I wouldn't have minded if he did kill Ozai, but what he did was good enough. Paralyzing Ozai and locking him away ought to torment him.
    he didn't paralyze Ozai. He took away his bending power and locked him in a dungeon/prison cell/whatever. Don't you even remember what happened? Right after Aang did that really cool looking thing to Ozai, Aang's friends arrived and Ozai stood up and made some threatening gestures with his arms. Wow, that was a mouthful!
    Edited on 07/20/2008 7:45am
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    KingCAWisma

    [25]Jul 21, 2008
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    Water78 wrote:
    I dont think so. Death is just wrong even for a person who had causes millions of deaths. Ironic it might seem but taking away his firebending and locking him is just death in another form of life,
    so your saying that Hitler should've been allowed to live? I don't know about you but if I'd been given the chance, I would've killed Hitler And Ozai is like the Hitler of Avatar.
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    KingCAWisma

    [26]Jul 21, 2008
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    Bluefiremaster wrote:
    um most people on here just watched it. u should have known that. i like wat they did to oazi cause it's a show that was originaly made for kids so they cant acctually show someone get killed or die.
    they can't, huh? Here is a list of people who died in Avatar:

    Jet

    Zhao

    Princess Yue

    Avatar Roku

    Monk Pasang

    Gyatso

    Oma

    Combustion Man

    Lu Ten

    Ummi

    there are many other minor characters that I'm not going to even bother listing. My point being that people do die in Avatar.

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    picaboomman

    [27]Jul 21, 2008
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    KingCAWisma wrote:

    Bluefiremaster wrote:
    um most people on here just watched it. u should have known that. i like wat they did to oazi cause it's a show that was originaly made for kids so they cant acctually show someone get killed or die.
    they can't, huh? Here is a list of people who died in Avatar:

    Jet

    Zhao

    Princess Yue

    Avatar Roku

    Monk Pasang

    Gyatso

    Oma

    Combustion Man

    Lu Ten

    Ummi

    there are many other minor characters that I'm not going to even bother listing. My point being that people do die in Avatar.



    if you say monk pasaang and oma died, then you say that everyone else in the war died
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    AvatarSensation

    [28]Jul 21, 2008
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    Here's what I think:

    No, I do not think Ozai should've died. Taking away his ability was worse. And unlike any other show, Avatar actually teaches you something. Besides all those other people died for other reasons. This is different. Aang's choice was far better than I could've hoped because he made the right one. It shows that life really is important in all forms, even if the person isn't good. Killing can taint the soul.

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    Undead_Prince

    [29]Jul 21, 2008
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    1. The right thing for Aang in the situation he was during the duel with Ozai was to try shedding his earthly attachments and achieving Avatar State by the book (i.e. by Guru's teachings), then use its overwhelming power to restrain Ozai without killing him. Yes, Aang would have sacrificed his love for Katara, but he would have saved the Earth Kingdom without becoming a murderer himself.

    Iroh said, however, that Aang was right to choose happiness and love over the power of the Avatar State. In this case, Aang should have killed Ozai when redirecting his lightning (that was the only real chance of stopping the Phoenix King without access to the Avatar State).

    In the show, however, Aang "was able to eat his cake and keep it too" due to the weird plot device of accidentally unlocking his chakra by hitting him hard with a rock. I don't know, it just looked too much like a cop-out to an otherwise very well set up moral dilemma.

    2. What happened to Ozai was not worse than death in any way. Basically it's just solitary confinement with confiscation of the instruments of crime (taking his bending away). I bet any real-life criminal would prefer that to the death penalty. And Ozai seems to be taking it pretty well, the composed strong-willed bastard he is. Unlike Azula, who probably did wish for death at the point of her being deserted, defeated, and chained like an animal. But that would have been her craziness speaking; the sane Azula would also prefer confinement to death. If not anything else, living at least offers you hope. Who knows what may happen tomorrow; both Ozai and Azula know people pretty well and have lots of manipulation experience, with Azula's bending intact there's at least an outside chance they could somehow escape. Or fake contrition and be let out for good behaviour 8=)

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    [30]Jul 21, 2008
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    KingCAWisma wrote:
    Water78 wrote:
    I dont think so. Death is just wrong even for a person who had causes millions of deaths. Ironic it might seem but taking away his firebending and locking him is just death in another form of life,
    so your saying that Hitler should've been allowed to live? I don't know about you but if I'd been given the chance, I would've killed Hitler And Ozai is like the Hitler of Avatar.


    Yeah, i do actually believe Hitler should have been alive. That way he could have actually paid for his crimes, and not allowed to get away with it so easily. Death is way too easy of a way to get away from the real punishment. If Hitler was alive, i assure you he would have been punished exactly like Mussolini(one of the reasons why Hitler decided to kill himself)
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    Ghostgal7

    [31]Jul 21, 2008
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    YuZKidd wrote:
    He basically killed him didn't he? Can he ever hurt anyone ever again? No...that was what Aang had to do...

    Spoilers!!! Click and drag riiiight here: Basically, Aang had two choices thanks to Mr. Lion-Island-Turtle. 1. Kill Oazi 2. Take away his bending. Aang took his bending away, barely missing being currupted himself and that left Oazi powerless and EXTREMELY weak. So, no. Oazi is alive, but he will NEVER hurt anyone else again.

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    hkulka2974

    [32]Jul 21, 2008
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    AvatarSensation wrote:

    Here's what I think:

    No, I do not think Ozai should've died. Taking away his ability was worse. And unlike any other show, Avatar actually teaches you something. Besides all those other people died for other reasons. This is different. Aang's choice was far better than I could've hoped because he made the right one. It shows that life really is important in all forms, even if the person isn't good. Killing can taint the soul.

    not only that but for aang to kill ozai would go against his character and therefore leave a sort of plot hole in the series. by taking away ozai's bending aang was able to defeat ozai and do it in a way which fit his character

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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [33]Jul 21, 2008
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    Like I've said before Aang did the right thing by sparing Ozai's life. Once he was no longer a threat and punished accordingly for his crimes he can possibly even find the peace that Zuko found after his banishment. The fact is that Ozai is going to be alive for another 30 - 40 years easily that's a lot of time for him to reflect on what he's done ang maybe even change.

    I have to take note that Ursa (Arguably one of the most loving characters in the show) loved Ozai and that tells me that she saw the good in him and I believe that maybe he can find it again.
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    picaboomman

    [34]Jul 21, 2008
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    wait,..if ozai isnt dead, then he should still be the firelord right?
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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [35]Jul 21, 2008
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    No he was overthrown by his son those things happen when you are ruled by a royal family.
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    zukOshOpe

    [36]Jul 21, 2008
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    yes yes and yes! taking away his bending? thats it? come on! aang was meaner to the earth king and his soilders in "the avatar state"

    but i understand that this is just a nick show and some people were already complaining about the violence earlier in the show -_-

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    qweasdzse

    [37]Jul 21, 2008
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    While I don't think their was a need to kill the Fire Lord in that position, when he could spare him. It seems more of an act of Aang's selfishness of his way of life rather than mercy.

    Can an Avatar have his own beliefs at the cost of the world? An interesting quarry, ruined by a sort of copout.

    Edited on 07/21/2008 8:29pm
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    Flamestormstar

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    yea lol what he said but it is annoying now that we dont know what happened to his mother or anything else just that they conquered him and stuff. What about all the evil firebenders in teh fire nation what about them!!!
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    ISpeakTheTruth

    [39]Jul 21, 2008
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    I think the reason why the creators had that scene with the 'birthday boy' was part for comedy but also to show that the majority of the soilders in the Fire Nation aren't evil guys they were just following the orders of an evil man.
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    Pablo_808

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    Flamestormstar wrote:
    yea lol what he said but it is annoying now that we dont know what happened to his mother or anything else just that they conquered him and stuff. What about all the evil firebenders in teh fire nation what about them!!!

    I'm sure they reformed........or they're rotting in jail. Most likely reformed to the side of good.

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