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Should Aang Have Killed Ozai?

Should Aang have killed Fire Lord Ozai?

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    Halostar11

    [61]Jul 25, 2008
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    Actually, i think taking away his bending is MUCH worse than killing him. Has anyone ever heard the term, " A fate worse than death"?
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    DeeDuck33

    [62]Jul 25, 2008
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    Halostar11 wrote:
    Actually, i think taking away his bending is MUCH worse than killing him. Has anyone ever heard the term, " A fate worse than death"?

    I was *just* thinking that as I came to this thread. Thought snatcher.
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    celestialavatar

    [63]Jul 25, 2008
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    No im satisfied with the result from the finale. Besides lightbending looks cooler.....
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    flawlesscoope

    [64]Jul 25, 2008
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    I wish you changed the topic title, I would hate it if I read that before I watched the finale.
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    celestialavatar

    [65]Jul 25, 2008
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    flawlesscoope wrote:
    I wish you changed the topic title, I would hate it if I read that before I watched the finale.

    Finale already aired

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    flawlesscoope

    [66]Jul 25, 2008
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    celestialavatar wrote:

    flawlesscoope wrote:
    I wish you changed the topic title, I would hate it if I read that before I watched the finale.

    Finale already aired

    What about new comers?
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    vampys_girl

    [67]Jul 26, 2008
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    Undead_Prince wrote:
    ItachiHatakeZ wrote:

    Aang shouldnt've killed Ozai, but somehow he should've died nevertheless

    How many times have Disney characters caused their own demise?

    Karmic Death trope. Lame Beyond Belief. Praise God "Avatar" did not succumb to this Lameness.

    And don't you compare Ozai to pathetic Disney "villains".

    By the way, Disney villains that were actually any good (Scar, Maleficent) ACTUALLY DIED BY THE HERO'S HAND, and not by stupidly falling down the stairs.

    KingCAWisma wrote:
    Undead_Prince wrote:
    Any criminal can potentially escape; should we be killing them all?
    yes...

    You, sir, are not right in the head.

    Next time cop catches you speeding, I hope he shoots you on the spot. Seriously.

    Ozai is not just any criminal. Even if Zuko is the new fire lord Ozai must have followers, people who are loyal to him. When the Earth King imprisoned Long Feng did the Dai Le suddenly were loyal to the king, NO. They were still on Long Feng side until Azula came along. There must be many powerful people of the Army (especially high ranked) that will be loyal to Ozai. They could plot and Ozai might not be able to bend but others can.


    I was disappointed with the ending of avatar because it is not realistic. I always loved avatar cause it's not just another kids show. In many episodes we see how many people suffer from war and die. Aang should have taken Yangchen's advice. By selfishly choosing his beliefs the world is still in danger. Ozai doesn't need to be a bender to be able to hurt people. The way I see it the war is not over yet and if Aang would have killed Ozai the world would be in less danger.
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    DeepWinter

    [68]Jul 26, 2008
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    It would of added a dramatic effect!

    They could of shown Aang about to shove a pillar through his chest, and then when everybody sees Aang again his clothes are blood stained with the firelords juices.
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    youtube_tv

    [69]Jul 26, 2008
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    yeah, i think aang should have taken his life because it would be totally unexpected to see that since aang doesn't like to do that
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    Undead_Prince

    [70]Jul 26, 2008
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    youtube_tv wrote:
    yeah, i think aang should have taken his life because it would be totally unexpected to see that since aang doesn't like to do that

    That is stupid on two levels. First, doing something just because it is totally unexpected is stupid. Second, doing something that contradicts everything we've seen about the protagonist during 3 seasons just for the sake of surprising the viewer is stupid. So there you go - doubly stupid.

    DeepWinter wrote:
    It would of added a dramatic effect!

    No, it would have been lame. If Aang wanted to kill Ozai, he would've done it in the beginning of the fight with the redirected lightning. BAM - Ozai dead, show over. No drama at all. A fight where Aang willingly restrains himself from killing Ozai, putting himself at a disadvantage - now that's dramatic! And stopping the Avatar just when it was about to execute the bound Fire lord - dramatic as well. Much more than making Ozai a charred carcass in the first 30 seconds of the battle.

    vampys_girl wrote:
    I was disappointed with the ending of avatar because it is not realistic. I always loved avatar cause it's not just another kids show. In many episodes we see how many people suffer from war and die. Aang should have taken Yangchen's advice. By selfishly choosing his beliefs the world is still in danger.

    Aang was NOT selfish in choosing his beliefs. He actually risked his life because of it. He showed the world that the Avatar is merciful and compassionate, not an inhuman Terminator-like killing machine that just destroys anything that threatens "balance". If you think that Aang should have killed Ozai even when the former Fire lord was imprisoned and his bending taken away, please bear in mind that your opinion goes against the principles of Christianity and Buddhism as well as the law of many states where death penalty is abolished. Also, I ask you why Aang, an innocent child who believed all his life that all life is sacred, should be forced to do such a bloody deed.

    Furthermore, nothing in the show leads us to the conclusion that "the world is still in danger". Everyone seemed perfectly satisfied with the outcome. Ozai was powerless, rotting in his cell and completely disheartened. Azula was committed to a mental institution, and everyone hates her anyway. Zuko is the new Fire Lord, and it seems people like him. Besides, what could Ozai or anyone in the Fire Nation EVER put against the might of the Avatar, if under the most favourable conditions and with Sozin's comet Ozai & all his armies still failed completely? No, I don't think there's ANY danger from either Ozai or Azula anymore. They're both broken for good.

    And the gAang was right in showing mercy to them. It was fully realistic because it conformed to the principle widely spread in both law and ethics - that justice should be merciful. Like Buddha himself said in the Dharmapada: "Hatreds never cease by hatred in this world; through love alone they cease. This is an eternal law."

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    KingCAWisma

    [71]Jul 31, 2008
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    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    Halostar11 wrote:
    Actually, i think taking away his bending is MUCH worse than killing him. Has anyone ever heard the term, " A fate worse than death"?
    I was *just* thinking that as I came to this thread. Thought snatcher.
    sure you were
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    IrohtheTea

    [72]Jul 31, 2008
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    it shouldve been like what kyoshi did to chin the conqueror.

    Make him fall!

    well it was HIS fault that he fell not AANG's

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    Falcondude123

    [73]Jul 31, 2008
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    Death Penalty vs. Life in Prison

    Death Penalty: 1. Eliminates dangerous criminals permanently, protecting society.
    2. Reduces costs of prisons and detention facilities, lessening the tax burden on law-abiding citizens.
    3. Takes away any chance for criminals to repent for their crimes.
    4. Is the strongest deterent for potential criminals in the future.
    5. Gives a quick, usually painless punishment with no suffering to the guilty.
    6. VERY, VERY occasionally lets innocent people be executed.

    Life in Prison:
    1. Locks up dangerous criminals tight, but always leaves chance to escape/cause further harm to society.
    2. Requires law-abiding citizens to pay for the feeding/sheltering of criminals.
    3. Gives criminals lifetime to try and repent for crimes.
    4. Is a strong deterent for potential criminals in the future, although most don't see it as awful as death.
    5. Forces the agony of a cage as punishment for the guilty.
    6. VERY, VERY occasionally lets innocent people be imprisoned, but not killed.

    My personal opinion is that law-abiding citizens shouldn't have to pay for the food and shelter and toilets of murderers. At the same time, I think that the PHILOSOPHY of life in prison is more correct; a chance for criminals to repent and to suffer (in my opinion)a worse punishment than death. However, it doesn't deter potential criminals as much, and risks letting super-dangerous guys escape. Now, again this is just opinion, I think Ozai was far too dangerous to be left alive, even without bending. He is a figurehead who is sure to be the cause of riots and rebellions in the FN.
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    isabelwhatx

    [74]Jul 31, 2008
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    DeeDuck33 wrote:
    Halostar11 wrote:
    Actually, i think taking away his bending is MUCH worse than killing him. Has anyone ever heard the term, " A fate worse than death"?

    I was *just* thinking that as I came to this thread. Thought snatcher.

    QFT! Thanks for killing my moment.
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    isabelwhatx

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    youtube_tv wrote:
    yeah, i think aang should have taken his life because it would be totally unexpected to see that since aang doesn't like to do that

    But then Aang would be out of character and the whole character development throughout the WHOLE ENTIRE SHOW would epically be destroyed.
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    kevagroove

    [76]Jul 31, 2008
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    Well... No i dont think that Aang should have killed Ozai cause like they dont know if by killing him it might have messed up the life of and stuff but he did deserved to die but beinbg locked up is even worst with bearly any light and not being able to fire bend anymore
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    Axrendale

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    Undead_Prince wrote:

    youtube_tv wrote:
    yeah, i think aang should have taken his life because it would be totally unexpected to see that since aang doesn't like to do that

    That is stupid on two levels. First, doing something just because it is totally unexpected is stupid. Second, doing something that contradicts everything we've seen about the protagonist during 3 seasons just for the sake of surprising the viewer is stupid. So there you go - doubly stupid.

    DeepWinter wrote:
    It would of added a dramatic effect!

    No, it would have been lame. If Aang wanted to kill Ozai, he would've done it in the beginning of the fight with the redirected lightning. BAM - Ozai dead, show over. No drama at all. A fight where Aang willingly restrains himself from killing Ozai, putting himself at a disadvantage - now that's dramatic! And stopping the Avatar just when it was about to execute the bound Fire lord - dramatic as well. Much more than making Ozai a charred carcass in the first 30 seconds of the battle.

    vampys_girl wrote:
    I was disappointed with the ending of avatar because it is not realistic. I always loved avatar cause it's not just another kids show. In many episodes we see how many people suffer from war and die. Aang should have taken Yangchen's advice. By selfishly choosing his beliefs the world is still in danger.

    Aang was NOT selfish in choosing his beliefs. He actually risked his life because of it. He showed the world that the Avatar is merciful and compassionate, not an inhuman Terminator-like killing machine that just destroys anything that threatens "balance". If you think that Aang should have killed Ozai even when the former Fire lord was imprisoned and his bending taken away, please bear in mind that your opinion goes against the principles of Christianity and Buddhism as well as the law of many states where death penalty is abolished. Also, I ask you why Aang, an innocent child who believed all his life that all life is sacred, should be forced to do such a bloody deed.

    Furthermore, nothing in the show leads us to the conclusion that "the world is still in danger". Everyone seemed perfectly satisfied with the outcome. Ozai was powerless, rotting in his cell and completely disheartened. Azula was committed to a mental institution, and everyone hates her anyway. Zuko is the new Fire Lord, and it seems people like him. Besides, what could Ozai or anyone in the Fire Nation EVER put against the might of the Avatar, if under the most favourable conditions and with Sozin's comet Ozai & all his armies still failed completely? No, I don't think there's ANY danger from either Ozai or Azula anymore. They're both broken for good.

    And the gAang was right in showing mercy to them. It was fully realistic because it conformed to the principle widely spread in both law and ethics - that justice should be merciful. Like Buddha himself said in the Dharmapada: "Hatreds never cease by hatred in this world; through love alone they cease. This is an eternal law."

    QFT!

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    Axrendale

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    Personally, I firmly oppose any notion that the death penalty is justified. I come from Australia, where the death penalty has been outlawed for decades now. When you kill someone for their crimes, you stoop to their level, no matter how justified it might be.
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    isabelwhatx

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    Here come the politics -.-"
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    Jackpot16

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    Well... if Aang killed Ozai, how would he know where his mother was?
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