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    jesusfreak01

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    avrurakinninami wrote:
    Zutara is not a " forbidden " love, but an impossible because of the war. But, the war is going to end... Wait, I'm not supposed to be there.


    Haha that didn't last long And I still don't agree on that!
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    ShadowPhoenix3

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    When will you humans learn that your feelings as you call them stand in the way of big cash payouts.

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    Kataang forever!!!

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    avrurakinninami wrote:
    Ahhhh, its the never ending war, stop this insanity, they must show the boiling rock fast, I cant take it any longer even after ( at least 30,000 posts ), it never stop.

    GO ZUTARA ! P.S.( Katara doesnt hate Zuko anymore, it was obvious in the FMs. )
    yes it was so obvious, from the two lins she said to him in the entire episode (both of which were filled with much spite) you could tell that she's stopped hating zuko.
    (by the way, i was being sarcastic)
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    daveshanFromGMU

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    kamzts, for the love of everything, STOP WITH THE MULTIPOSTS.

    Now, onto the relationship argument. All we know from the kiss is that Aang finally got the balls to tell Katara that he loves her and that doesn't reveal anything new.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K26eGTidTo

    The kiss is at 00:20-00:24 marks. However, pay attention to Katara's expression at the 00:26 mark. Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the man of your dreams just kissed you, wouldn't you at least be smiling afterwards? Katara is looking away as if this was some awkward situation that she just got put into. I'll admit, in "The Headband" she was clearly jealous of Aang and that girl dancing, but this nullifies that.

    As for threatening Zuko at the end of "The Western Air Temple", she's threatening him because she knows that if he's after anyone, he's after Aang. He doesn't really have any bad blood against Toph, he doesn't know those three new guys, and he's never really cared about Katara or Sokka when they were enemies except for the fact that they were helping the avatar. All her attention towards Aang throughout the whole series, even after the kiss has been in a motherly way. I'm not saying that all of this proves that Zuko and Katara are going to be together, I'm saying it proves that Katara and Aang won't.

    There is a small amount of evidence for Zuko and Katara, though. First off, nothing in season one matters. The fights between Zuko and Katara during the season finale prove that. Zuko asked Katara to give up Aang and she wouldn't get hurt; that's all. If he loved her, he would have at least tried harder to get Aang without hurting her. After they find Aang and Zuko in the frozen tundra, Katara makes no effort to save Zuko, she doesn't even agree with Aang that they should save him.

    Ok, now the evidence. In CoD, Zuko lets Katara touch his scar, which is something that we've seen he is very sensitive about. The only other girl that has been allowed to touch it is Mai and we know he loves her. So, we see that he at least holds Katara in some level of high regards. I'm not saying it's love, I'm saying it's high regards. For Katara's side, her actions, demeanor, pattern of speech, and overall defense mechanism against Zuko in "The Western Air Temple" and "The Firebending Masters" were identical to the way they were towards Jet in Ba Sing Se. And, as our resident lie detector revealed, she still had feelings for him. That shows that she has some unresolved feelings of affection towards Zuko; and yes, it is unresolved affection.

    So maybe Aang has feelings for Katara, who has feelings for Zuko that she won't admit to, who's still in love with Mai.

    Personally, I think that putting Zuko in that kind of predicament is right up the writers' alley.

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    Spike815

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    kamzts, for the love of everything, STOP WITH THE MULTIPOSTS.

    Now, onto the relationship argument. All we know from the kiss is that Aang finally got the balls to tell Katara that he loves her and that doesn't reveal anything new.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K26eGTidTo

    The kiss is at 00:20-00:24 marks. However, pay attention to Katara's expression at the 00:26 mark. Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the man of your dreams just kissed you, wouldn't you at least be smiling afterwards? Katara is looking away as if this was some awkward situation that she just got put into. I'll admit, in "The Headband" she was clearly jealous of Aang and that girl dancing, but this nullifies that.

    As for threatening Zuko at the end of "The Western Air Temple", she's threatening him because she knows that if he's after anyone, he's after Aang. He doesn't really have any bad blood against Toph, he doesn't know those three new guys, and he's never really cared about Katara or Sokka when they were enemies except for the fact that they were helping the avatar. All her attention towards Aang throughout the whole series, even after the kiss has been in a motherly way. I'm not saying that all of this proves that Zuko and Katara are going to be together, I'm saying it proves that Katara and Aang won't.

    There is a small amount of evidence for Zuko and Katara, though. First off, nothing in season one matters. The fights between Zuko and Katara during the season finale prove that. Zuko asked Katara to give up Aang and she wouldn't get hurt; that's all. If he loved her, he would have at least tried harder to get Aang without hurting her. After they find Aang and Zuko in the frozen tundra, Katara makes no effort to save Zuko, she doesn't even agree with Aang that they should save him.

    Ok, now the evidence. In CoD, Zuko lets Katara touch his scar, which is something that we've seen he is very sensitive about. The only other girl that has been allowed to touch it is Mai and we know he loves her. So, we see that he at least holds Katara in some level of high regards. I'm not saying it's love, I'm saying it's high regards. For Katara's side, her actions, demeanor, pattern of speech, and overall defense mechanism against Zuko in "The Western Air Temple" and "The Firebending Masters" were identical to the way they were towards Jet in Ba Sing Se. And, as our resident lie detector revealed, she still had feelings for him. That shows that she has some unresolved feelings of affection towards Zuko; and yes, it is unresolved affection.

    So maybe Aang has feelings for Katara, who has feelings for Zuko that she won't admit to, who's still in love with Mai.

    Personally, I think that putting Zuko in that kind of predicament is right up the writers' alley.



    If someone I loved kissed me and then flew off to die, I would not be smiling.

    And as for Ba Sing Se, are you forgetting that he helped KILL Aang after that? Why would offering to help someone automatically be love? Accoreding to you, it could be her motherly affection again. And Toph never said Katara had still had feelings for Jet. She asked "Was he your boyfriend or something?" When she said no, Toph said she was lying. That's all past tense.

    Now for Zutara, what makes you think either one wants to hook up? Zuko has shown zero interest in Katara at all. And Katara has been threatening to kill him. As far as we know, Zuko is still in love with Mai, and we still don't know Katara's feelings for Aang.
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    kamzts

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    tomtitan wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    Ahhhh, its the never ending war, stop this insanity, they must show the boiling rock fast, I cant take it any longer even after ( at least 30,000 posts ), it never stop.

    GO ZUTARA ! P.S.( Katara doesnt hate Zuko anymore, it was obvious in the FMs. )
    yes it was so obvious, from the two lins she said to him in the entire episode (both of which were filled with much spite) you could tell that she's stopped hating zuko.
    (by the way, i was being sarcastic)


    Oh it was so obvios she totaly stopped hating zuko that "or maybe you're not as good as you think you are" was so thoughtful and kind.
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    kamzts wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    Ahhhh, its the never ending war, stop this insanity, they must show the boiling rock fast, I cant take it any longer even after ( at least 30,000 posts ), it never stop.

    GO ZUTARA ! P.S.( Katara doesnt hate Zuko anymore, it was obvious in the FMs. )
    yes it was so obvious, from the two lins she said to him in the entire episode (both of which were filled with much spite) you could tell that she's stopped hating zuko.
    (by the way, i was being sarcastic)


    Oh it was so obvios she totaly stopped hating zuko that "or maybe you're not as good as you think you are" was so thoughtful and kind.
    i don't think it's right to cite TFM as evidence for any ship (besides zukaang) because shipping wasn't the main focus of the episode, the episode was about learning firebending from dragons, and nothing else.
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    Spike815

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    tomtitan wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    Ahhhh, its the never ending war, stop this insanity, they must show the boiling rock fast, I cant take it any longer even after ( at least 30,000 posts ), it never stop.

    GO ZUTARA ! P.S.( Katara doesnt hate Zuko anymore, it was obvious in the FMs. )
    yes it was so obvious, from the two lins she said to him in the entire episode (both of which were filled with much spite) you could tell that she's stopped hating zuko.
    (by the way, i was being sarcastic)


    Oh it was so obvios she totaly stopped hating zuko that "or maybe you're not as good as you think you are" was so thoughtful and kind.
    i don't think it's right to cite TFM as evidence for any ship (besides zukaang) because shipping wasn't the main focus of the episode, the episode was about learning firebending from dragons, and nothing else.


    Neither was the WAT, but we got some good Zutara information from that.
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    kamzts

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    daveshanFromGMU wrote:

    kamzts, for the love of everything, STOP WITH THE MULTIPOSTS.

    Now, onto the relationship argument. All we know from the kiss is that Aang finally got the balls to tell Katara that he loves her and that doesn't reveal anything new.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K26eGTidTo

    The kiss is at 00:20-00:24 marks. However, pay attention to Katara's expression at the 00:26 mark. Ladies, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the man of your dreams just kissed you, wouldn't you at least be smiling afterwards? Katara is looking away as if this was some awkward situation that she just got put into. I'll admit, in "The Headband" she was clearly jealous of Aang and that girl dancing, but this nullifies that.

    As for threatening Zuko at the end of "The Western Air Temple", she's threatening him because she knows that if he's after anyone, he's after Aang. He doesn't really have any bad blood against Toph, he doesn't know those three new guys, and he's never really cared about Katara or Sokka when they were enemies except for the fact that they were helping the avatar. All her attention towards Aang throughout the whole series, even after the kiss has been in a motherly way. I'm not saying that all of this proves that Zuko and Katara are going to be together, I'm saying it proves that Katara and Aang won't.

    There is a small amount of evidence for Zuko and Katara, though. First off, nothing in season one matters. The fights between Zuko and Katara during the season finale prove that. Zuko asked Katara to give up Aang and she wouldn't get hurt; that's all. If he loved her, he would have at least tried harder to get Aang without hurting her. After they find Aang and Zuko in the frozen tundra, Katara makes no effort to save Zuko, she doesn't even agree with Aang that they should save him.

    Ok, now the evidence. In CoD, Zuko lets Katara touch his scar, which is something that we've seen he is very sensitive about. The only other girl that has been allowed to touch it is Mai and we know he loves her. So, we see that he at least holds Katara in some level of high regards. I'm not saying it's love, I'm saying it's high regards. For Katara's side, her actions, demeanor, pattern of speech, and overall defense mechanism against Zuko in "The Western Air Temple" and "The Firebending Masters" were identical to the way they were towards Jet in Ba Sing Se. And, as our resident lie detector revealed, she still had feelings for him. That shows that she has some unresolved feelings of affection towards Zuko; and yes, it is unresolved affection.

    So maybe Aang has feelings for Katara, who has feelings for Zuko that she won't admit to, who's still in love with Mai.

    Personally, I think that putting Zuko in that kind of predicament is right up the writers' alley.



    Katara was really surprised would you be smiling i you were just kissed by someone you would not expect to kiss you. I would be so nervous. Plus when Aang flew away she had a somewhat worried look on her face.
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    Spike815 wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    Ahhhh, its the never ending war, stop this insanity, they must show the boiling rock fast, I cant take it any longer even after ( at least 30,000 posts ), it never stop.

    GO ZUTARA ! P.S.( Katara doesnt hate Zuko anymore, it was obvious in the FMs. )
    yes it was so obvious, from the two lins she said to him in the entire episode (both of which were filled with much spite) you could tell that she's stopped hating zuko.
    (by the way, i was being sarcastic)


    Oh it was so obvios she totaly stopped hating zuko that "or maybe you're not as good as you think you are" was so thoughtful and kind.
    i don't think it's right to cite TFM as evidence for any ship (besides zukaang) because shipping wasn't the main focus of the episode, the episode was about learning firebending from dragons, and nothing else.


    Neither was the WAT, but we got some good Zutara information from that.
    well the WAT wasn't shipping centred, but it had some, ulike TFM.
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    tomtitan

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    The thing about the DOBS kiss is, arguments from both sides seem very feeble.

    teh zutarian arguments that try to explain away this:

    and this: are very feeble.

    but at the same time the kataang arguments that try to explain away this:

    and this:

    are just as bad.

    so the kiss really does get nowhere with these debates.

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    kamzts

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    I am dying for Mai to join the gaang. Zuko and Mai need to be together.
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    Spike815

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    kamzts wrote:
    I am dying for Mai to join the gaang. Zuko and Mai need to be together.


    Even more weight for Appa to carry? Great...
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    Spike815 wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    I am dying for Mai to join the gaang. Zuko and Mai need to be together.


    Even more weight for Appa to carry? Great...
    they could always ditch the 3 stooges at the WAT, no one really cares about them.
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    kamzts

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    tomtitan wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    I am dying for Mai to join the gaang. Zuko and Mai need to be together.


    Even more weight for Appa to carry? Great...
    they could always ditch the 3 stooges at the WAT, no one really cares about them.


    They should or maybe they should take them to some place and leave them there.
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    Spike815 wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    I am dying for Mai to join the gaang. Zuko and Mai need to be together.
    Even more weight for Appa to carry? Great...

    NO WAY! (tries to breathe in and breathe out slowly) I just don't like Maiko.

    Ow, check my new catchphrase: 'Zuko went officially from Angsty to AANGsty!' Heyhey, you know I'm genius . Or did someone else also think of this?

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    kamzts wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    I am dying for Mai to join the gaang. Zuko and Mai need to be together.
    Even more weight for Appa to carry? Great...
    they could always ditch the 3 stooges at the WAT, no one really cares about them.
    They should or maybe they should take them to some place and leave them there.

    Could you explain why you like Maiko so much?

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    kamzts

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    kamzts wrote:
    tomtitan wrote:
    Spike815 wrote:
    kamzts wrote:
    I am dying for Mai to join the gaang. Zuko and Mai need to be together.


    Even more weight for Appa to carry? Great...
    they could always ditch the 3 stooges at the WAT, no one really cares about them.


    They should or maybe they should take them to some place and leave them there.


    What I just said is the same thing as ditching them. sorry. I sometimes am stupid
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    kamzts wrote:
    I am dying for Mai to join the gaang. Zuko and Mai need to be together.

    Hate to burst your bubble, but I highly doubt that Mai is going to join the gaang. That's so unMai-ish. I think her and Zuko aren't going to be together again until the finale, maybe they'll run into each other before then(the picture from comic con where Mai is in a cell with someone who looks a lot like Zuko), but she's not going to join the gaang.

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