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    Spike815

    [1361]Dec 19, 2007
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    AgravaineNHL2k5 wrote:
    The WG strike isn't effecting animated shows, they have their own contracts.


    Avatar is already finished anyway.

    Sucks for all my comedy shows tho
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    amat092

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    Spike815 wrote:
    AgravaineNHL2k5 wrote:
    The WG strike isn't effecting animated shows, they have their own contracts.


    Avatar is already finished anyway.

    Sucks for all my comedy shows tho


    I know!!! my fav shows: Heroes, Criminal Minds, Shark, House, The Office, ER, Scrubs, they're like either have short seasons, or just...well..idk... @ least Avatar isn't hurt!!!
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    avrurakinninami

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    amat092 wrote:
    jaketg wrote:
    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:
    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:

    I think if there's gonna be a 'The Firelady' then we'll see Ursas and Irohs story. (duh).

    But there probably is a LOT of speculation of how this could be going....

    This is my version, with some sidenotes:

    WARNING: POTENTIAL SPOILER! (spoilertag didn't work; HTML not well-formed....dang)

    Both Ursa and her sister have been raised for a long while on Ember Island or some other FN island, where they get to hear of their grandfather being Roku, at the age of 18 they are contacted by The White Lotus, the secret organisation their grandmother has set up, with the goal of ending the war and help the avatar to recreate balance. The White Lotus heard from informative sources the Royal family, the Firelord and his two sons, where about to get a beachhouse near the location Ursa and her sister live. The OWL comes with a plan in which one of the two sisters should marry the Firelords oldest son, with as a result bring offspring that will reunite the family of Roku and the family of Sozin.This offspring should help end the war according to the informative source of the Firemages, who during that time stillcooperate withRokus offspring and OWL.In a festivity at the Royal beachhouse the two sisters should be invited and wooed by the Firelords two sons. Ursas older sister is lucky; Iroh falls in love with her, seems like true love. Also Ozai finds himself flirting with Ursa.

    Mainplan is now for the oldest sister to marry Iroh, which happens, and she gives birth to Lu Ten. Irohstillknows nothing about OWL. The older sister could have died while giving birth, making Iroh the only parent left to take care of Lu Ten. Lu Ten at this point is the one destined to become future Firelord to help restore balance to the world, without Iroh knowing it.

    Meanwhile Ursa has gotten married to Ozai and has given birth to two children; Zuko and Azula. Until the childrens birth, Ozai used to be a nice man, but throughout the years he turns bittered and jealous of his brother. Ozai wants to be the next Firelord, and Ursa realizes.

    Iroh is away from home a lot. During different sieges Iroh shows himself a strong man. Iroh, being the future firelord himself, is a willing man. He has been raised by Firenation propaganda and always has tried to stick to the ideals of FN, but during diversing sieges he realizes how rough things are going. Innocent women killed, prisoners taken. For a long while Iroh plays the part of the more righteous general, but doubt has entered his mind. Around the time Lu Ten is grown up and ready to fight in the FN army alongside his uncle uncle still is a fanatic fighter for his country, but all is about to change.

    OWL is willing to do everything to protect Lu Ten, for he should be the Firelord who will help the avatar to bring back balance to the world. Unfortunately, there's a leak. Until now the OWL has had a strong connection with the Firesages, but a big part is too much under threat of Firelord Azulon...they get scared and a gigantic part decides to turn against the OWL. The Firesages decide to do everything to stop Lu Ten from becoming the future Firelord after Iroh. They find their way to bribe soldiers in the army, to make a plot to put Lu Ten in the frontline of the army, and no other soldier will try to protect him. Iroh meanwhile realizes something's wrong, but by that time it's too late. Lu Ten was the first to be killed.

    Ursa hears about this. Desperately she communicates with the OWL; it's time for plan B; the only eldest child left who has both Roku as Sozin as ancestors is Zuko. Since Ursa knows about Ozais frustrations of not becoming Firelord, she decides to approach him to come up with a plan. Despite of that Ursa feels guilty of not letting Iroh know of what is going on.

    Plans are getting out of hand though, Azulon rejects and is now even planning to kill Zuko....(maybe very maybe by some influence of the Firesages who know about OWL's plans?). Ursa now not only feels threatened of not executing the OWL's plans, but she feels threatened to lose her own son; she contacts the OWL to help her forge Azulons will and ....'end' him.

    Ozai decides to banish Ursa....(this is the part I find the most confusing, I'm clueless why he does this) he might distrust Ursa after all that happened. Maybe he found out about Ursa being Rokus offspring? THOUGH without knowing about Zuko being seen by the OWL as the destined Firelord to help the avatar end the war?

    Iroh returns home from the war that night, just after Azulon has been killed. He feels confused, sad, defeated...and his angst only gets worse when he is witness of Azulons death. I think that night, when Ursa is about to be banished, Iroh gets to hearabout the OWL, begging Ursa what is going on. Iroh will be in some kind of impassefor a while, before deciding to join the OWL.

    Ursa decides to retreat somewhere, until the moment she hears of Zukos Agni Kai with his own father and being banished in about a few days. She decides to try to find where he is, and tries to contact the OWL, who might be able toarrange a meeting between Zuko and her. Unfortunately, she decides to go to the traitors within OWL; the Firesages.....Ursa is getting captured by them and put in a jail on a remote island. Meanwhile Iroh, who found out about Zukos banishment, tries to contact Ursa, but Ursa seems disappeared. Iroh decides to promise himself to guide Zuko during his banishment, to eventually help him until he finds Ursa.

    The OWL finds out about the Firesages being the traitors, and finds out where Ursa is being captured. They try to release her, but after they do they find out Ursa has gotten very ill from a broken heart aswell as germs (lol) and it's too late to save her. Ursa while dying begs the members of the OWL to get to Iroh and ask him to take good care of her son, and guide him to 'his destiny'. [/spoiler]

    This is just a vague theory, because actually the whole Firenation story thingy is confusing me .

    Did you write all of that or c/p it from somewhere? O_O

    I've written it baby. ...and I'm not afraid of hitting the mistakezone.

    Wow thats good. but I think they'll do a Sweeney Todd. Ursa will be alive, but no one will know (like, shes gone insane) maybe she'll be killed before Zuko realizes its her (but he sees her die)

    Eviiiil

    What I think is the problem with Ursa still being alive (yeah, no Sweeney Todd for me lol)...is that for...hmmz......like six years she wouldn't have shown herself to Zuko, ok, three years of that he's still within firenation, but the moment he gets banned....wouldn't Ursa be smart enough to somehow find a way to atleast within one year reach Zuko?I think she somehow got stopped; a motherfigure like her being all that patient to wait 'for the right time' just seems off for me.....I think she must've died or she is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well guarded in a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well guarded jail.....and still biting in the legs of the guards who come too close (kinda like the turtleduck mother).

    I have a theory that she's hiding on a remote island with a few surviving AirNomads (Because I can't believe all of them died.) and they're cut off from the rest of the world, so they don't know whats happening

    good idea im starting right now, avatar ahs been canceled no more episdes will come ever, wow i feel much better
    you cant be serious....


    We all know why Ursa was banished right ? She killed Azulon (Ozai's father)to protect his son, and allowing Ozai to become firelord.
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    avrurakinninami

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    Ozai was aware about Ursa and the fact that she will protect her son at all cost, what if Ozai used this opportunity to become firelord, by creating that plan ( an order from his father ) to kill his son, the faster and easier way to become firelord without any obstacles.
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    esquisofrenic

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    avrurakinninami wrote:
    Ozai was aware about Ursa and the fact that she will protect her son at all cost, what if Ozai used this opportunity to become firelord, by creating that plan ( an order from his father ) to kill his son, the faster and easier way to become firelord without any obstacles.
    the point is that he didn't care about his wife he just wan to be firelord. that i call ambition
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    avrurakinninami

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    esquisofrenic wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    Ozai was aware about Ursa and the fact that she will protect her son at all cost, what if Ozai used this opportunity to become firelord, by creating that plan ( an order from his father ) to kill his son, the faster and easier way to become firelord without any obstacles.
    the point is that he didn't care about his wife he just wan to be firelord. that i call ambition


    Yes, but as a queen, I suppose that she could interfer with his decisons.
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    esquisofrenic

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    avrurakinninami wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    Ozai was aware about Ursa and the fact that she will protect her son at all cost, what if Ozai used this opportunity to become firelord, by creating that plan ( an order from his father ) to kill his son, the faster and easier way to become firelord without any obstacles.
    the point is that he didn't care about his wife he just wan to be firelord. that i call ambition


    Yes, but as a queen, I suppose that she could interfer with his decisons.
    and she did it but she was exiled so now one one can interfer with his decisoins
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    BlueAndOrange

    [1371]Dec 20, 2007
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    avrurakinninami wrote:
    amat092 wrote:
    jaketg wrote:
    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:
    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:

    I think if there's gonna be a 'The Firelady' then we'll see Ursas and Irohs story. (duh).

    But there probably is a LOT of speculation of how this could be going....

    This is my version, with some sidenotes:

    WARNING: POTENTIAL SPOILER! (spoilertag didn't work; HTML not well-formed....dang)

    Both Ursa and her sister have been raised for a long while on Ember Island or some other FN island, where they get to hear of their grandfather being Roku, at the age of 18 they are contacted by The White Lotus, the secret organisation their grandmother has set up, with the goal of ending the war and help the avatar to recreate balance. The White Lotus heard from informative sources the Royal family, the Firelord and his two sons, where about to get a beachhouse near the location Ursa and her sister live. The OWL comes with a plan in which one of the two sisters should marry the Firelords oldest son, with as a result bring offspring that will reunite the family of Roku and the family of Sozin.This offspring should help end the war according to the informative source of the Firemages, who during that time stillcooperate withRokus offspring and OWL.In a festivity at the Royal beachhouse the two sisters should be invited and wooed by the Firelords two sons. Ursas older sister is lucky; Iroh falls in love with her, seems like true love. Also Ozai finds himself flirting with Ursa.

    Mainplan is now for the oldest sister to marry Iroh, which happens, and she gives birth to Lu Ten. Irohstillknows nothing about OWL. The older sister could have died while giving birth, making Iroh the only parent left to take care of Lu Ten. Lu Ten at this point is the one destined to become future Firelord to help restore balance to the world, without Iroh knowing it.

    Meanwhile Ursa has gotten married to Ozai and has given birth to two children; Zuko and Azula. Until the childrens birth, Ozai used to be a nice man, but throughout the years he turns bittered and jealous of his brother. Ozai wants to be the next Firelord, and Ursa realizes.

    Iroh is away from home a lot. During different sieges Iroh shows himself a strong man. Iroh, being the future firelord himself, is a willing man. He has been raised by Firenation propaganda and always has tried to stick to the ideals of FN, but during diversing sieges he realizes how rough things are going. Innocent women killed, prisoners taken. For a long while Iroh plays the part of the more righteous general, but doubt has entered his mind. Around the time Lu Ten is grown up and ready to fight in the FN army alongside his uncle uncle still is a fanatic fighter for his country, but all is about to change.

    OWL is willing to do everything to protect Lu Ten, for he should be the Firelord who will help the avatar to bring back balance to the world. Unfortunately, there's a leak. Until now the OWL has had a strong connection with the Firesages, but a big part is too much under threat of Firelord Azulon...they get scared and a gigantic part decides to turn against the OWL. The Firesages decide to do everything to stop Lu Ten from becoming the future Firelord after Iroh. They find their way to bribe soldiers in the army, to make a plot to put Lu Ten in the frontline of the army, and no other soldier will try to protect him. Iroh meanwhile realizes something's wrong, but by that time it's too late. Lu Ten was the first to be killed.

    Ursa hears about this. Desperately she communicates with the OWL; it's time for plan B; the only eldest child left who has both Roku as Sozin as ancestors is Zuko. Since Ursa knows about Ozais frustrations of not becoming Firelord, she decides to approach him to come up with a plan. Despite of that Ursa feels guilty of not letting Iroh know of what is going on.

    Plans are getting out of hand though, Azulon rejects and is now even planning to kill Zuko....(maybe very maybe by some influence of the Firesages who know about OWL's plans?). Ursa now not only feels threatened of not executing the OWL's plans, but she feels threatened to lose her own son; she contacts the OWL to help her forge Azulons will and ....'end' him.

    Ozai decides to banish Ursa....(this is the part I find the most confusing, I'm clueless why he does this) he might distrust Ursa after all that happened. Maybe he found out about Ursa being Rokus offspring? THOUGH without knowing about Zuko being seen by the OWL as the destined Firelord to help the avatar end the war?

    Iroh returns home from the war that night, just after Azulon has been killed. He feels confused, sad, defeated...and his angst only gets worse when he is witness of Azulons death. I think that night, when Ursa is about to be banished, Iroh gets to hearabout the OWL, begging Ursa what is going on. Iroh will be in some kind of impassefor a while, before deciding to join the OWL.

    Ursa decides to retreat somewhere, until the moment she hears of Zukos Agni Kai with his own father and being banished in about a few days. She decides to try to find where he is, and tries to contact the OWL, who might be able toarrange a meeting between Zuko and her. Unfortunately, she decides to go to the traitors within OWL; the Firesages.....Ursa is getting captured by them and put in a jail on a remote island. Meanwhile Iroh, who found out about Zukos banishment, tries to contact Ursa, but Ursa seems disappeared. Iroh decides to promise himself to guide Zuko during his banishment, to eventually help him until he finds Ursa.

    The OWL finds out about the Firesages being the traitors, and finds out where Ursa is being captured. They try to release her, but after they do they find out Ursa has gotten very ill from a broken heart aswell as germs (lol) and it's too late to save her. Ursa while dying begs the members of the OWL to get to Iroh and ask him to take good care of her son, and guide him to 'his destiny'. [/spoiler]

    This is just a vague theory, because actually the whole Firenation story thingy is confusing me .

    Did you write all of that or c/p it from somewhere? O_O

    I've written it baby. ...and I'm not afraid of hitting the mistakezone.

    Wow thats good. but I think they'll do a Sweeney Todd. Ursa will be alive, but no one will know (like, shes gone insane) maybe she'll be killed before Zuko realizes its her (but he sees her die)

    Eviiiil

    What I think is the problem with Ursa still being alive (yeah, no Sweeney Todd for me lol)...is that for...hmmz......like six years she wouldn't have shown herself to Zuko, ok, three years of that he's still within firenation, but the moment he gets banned....wouldn't Ursa be smart enough to somehow find a way to atleast within one year reach Zuko?I think she somehow got stopped; a motherfigure like her being all that patient to wait 'for the right time' just seems off for me.....I think she must've died or she is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well guarded in a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well guarded jail.....and still biting in the legs of the guards who come too close (kinda like the turtleduck mother).

    I have a theory that she's hiding on a remote island with a few surviving AirNomads (Because I can't believe all of them died.) and they're cut off from the rest of the world, so they don't know whats happening

    good idea im starting right now, avatar ahs been canceled no more episdes will come ever, wow i feel much better
    you cant be serious....
    We all know why Ursa was banished right ? She killed Azulon (Ozai's father)to protect his son, and allowing Ozai to become firelord.
    lol, there is like no way that all that can be explained in the remaining part of the season....
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    esquisofrenic

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    BlueAndOrange wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    amat092 wrote:
    jaketg wrote:
    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:
    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:

    I think if there's gonna be a 'The Firelady' then we'll see Ursas and Irohs story. (duh).

    But there probably is a LOT of speculation of how this could be going....

    This is my version, with some sidenotes:

    WARNING: POTENTIAL SPOILER! (spoilertag didn't work; HTML not well-formed....dang)

    Both Ursa and her sister have been raised for a long while on Ember Island or some other FN island, where they get to hear of their grandfather being Roku, at the age of 18 they are contacted by The White Lotus, the secret organisation their grandmother has set up, with the goal of ending the war and help the avatar to recreate balance. The White Lotus heard from informative sources the Royal family, the Firelord and his two sons, where about to get a beachhouse near the location Ursa and her sister live. The OWL comes with a plan in which one of the two sisters should marry the Firelords oldest son, with as a result bring offspring that will reunite the family of Roku and the family of Sozin.This offspring should help end the war according to the informative source of the Firemages, who during that time stillcooperate withRokus offspring and OWL.In a festivity at the Royal beachhouse the two sisters should be invited and wooed by the Firelords two sons. Ursas older sister is lucky; Iroh falls in love with her, seems like true love. Also Ozai finds himself flirting with Ursa.

    Mainplan is now for the oldest sister to marry Iroh, which happens, and she gives birth to Lu Ten. Irohstillknows nothing about OWL. The older sister could have died while giving birth, making Iroh the only parent left to take care of Lu Ten. Lu Ten at this point is the one destined to become future Firelord to help restore balance to the world, without Iroh knowing it.

    Meanwhile Ursa has gotten married to Ozai and has given birth to two children; Zuko and Azula. Until the childrens birth, Ozai used to be a nice man, but throughout the years he turns bittered and jealous of his brother. Ozai wants to be the next Firelord, and Ursa realizes.

    Iroh is away from home a lot. During different sieges Iroh shows himself a strong man. Iroh, being the future firelord himself, is a willing man. He has been raised by Firenation propaganda and always has tried to stick to the ideals of FN, but during diversing sieges he realizes how rough things are going. Innocent women killed, prisoners taken. For a long while Iroh plays the part of the more righteous general, but doubt has entered his mind. Around the time Lu Ten is grown up and ready to fight in the FN army alongside his uncle uncle still is a fanatic fighter for his country, but all is about to change.

    OWL is willing to do everything to protect Lu Ten, for he should be the Firelord who will help the avatar to bring back balance to the world. Unfortunately, there's a leak. Until now the OWL has had a strong connection with the Firesages, but a big part is too much under threat of Firelord Azulon...they get scared and a gigantic part decides to turn against the OWL. The Firesages decide to do everything to stop Lu Ten from becoming the future Firelord after Iroh. They find their way to bribe soldiers in the army, to make a plot to put Lu Ten in the frontline of the army, and no other soldier will try to protect him. Iroh meanwhile realizes something's wrong, but by that time it's too late. Lu Ten was the first to be killed.

    Ursa hears about this. Desperately she communicates with the OWL; it's time for plan B; the only eldest child left who has both Roku as Sozin as ancestors is Zuko. Since Ursa knows about Ozais frustrations of not becoming Firelord, she decides to approach him to come up with a plan. Despite of that Ursa feels guilty of not letting Iroh know of what is going on.

    Plans are getting out of hand though, Azulon rejects and is now even planning to kill Zuko....(maybe very maybe by some influence of the Firesages who know about OWL's plans?). Ursa now not only feels threatened of not executing the OWL's plans, but she feels threatened to lose her own son; she contacts the OWL to help her forge Azulons will and ....'end' him.

    Ozai decides to banish Ursa....(this is the part I find the most confusing, I'm clueless why he does this) he might distrust Ursa after all that happened. Maybe he found out about Ursa being Rokus offspring? THOUGH without knowing about Zuko being seen by the OWL as the destined Firelord to help the avatar end the war?

    Iroh returns home from the war that night, just after Azulon has been killed. He feels confused, sad, defeated...and his angst only gets worse when he is witness of Azulons death. I think that night, when Ursa is about to be banished, Iroh gets to hearabout the OWL, begging Ursa what is going on. Iroh will be in some kind of impassefor a while, before deciding to join the OWL.

    Ursa decides to retreat somewhere, until the moment she hears of Zukos Agni Kai with his own father and being banished in about a few days. She decides to try to find where he is, and tries to contact the OWL, who might be able toarrange a meeting between Zuko and her. Unfortunately, she decides to go to the traitors within OWL; the Firesages.....Ursa is getting captured by them and put in a jail on a remote island. Meanwhile Iroh, who found out about Zukos banishment, tries to contact Ursa, but Ursa seems disappeared. Iroh decides to promise himself to guide Zuko during his banishment, to eventually help him until he finds Ursa.

    The OWL finds out about the Firesages being the traitors, and finds out where Ursa is being captured. They try to release her, but after they do they find out Ursa has gotten very ill from a broken heart aswell as germs (lol) and it's too late to save her. Ursa while dying begs the members of the OWL to get to Iroh and ask him to take good care of her son, and guide him to 'his destiny'. [/spoiler]

    This is just a vague theory, because actually the whole Firenation story thingy is confusing me .

    Did you write all of that or c/p it from somewhere? O_O

    I've written it baby. ...and I'm not afraid of hitting the mistakezone.

    Wow thats good. but I think they'll do a Sweeney Todd. Ursa will be alive, but no one will know (like, shes gone insane) maybe she'll be killed before Zuko realizes its her (but he sees her die)

    Eviiiil

    What I think is the problem with Ursa still being alive (yeah, no Sweeney Todd for me lol)...is that for...hmmz......like six years she wouldn't have shown herself to Zuko, ok, three years of that he's still within firenation, but the moment he gets banned....wouldn't Ursa be smart enough to somehow find a way to atleast within one year reach Zuko?I think she somehow got stopped; a motherfigure like her being all that patient to wait 'for the right time' just seems off for me.....I think she must've died or she is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well guarded in a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well guarded jail.....and still biting in the legs of the guards who come too close (kinda like the turtleduck mother).

    I have a theory that she's hiding on a remote island with a few surviving AirNomads (Because I can't believe all of them died.) and they're cut off from the rest of the world, so they don't know whats happening

    good idea im starting right now, avatar ahs been canceled no more episdes will come ever, wow i feel much better
    you cant be serious....
    We all know why Ursa was banished right ? She killed Azulon (Ozai's father)to protect his son, and allowing Ozai to become firelord.
    lol, there is like no way that all that can be explained in the remaining part of the season....
    for me she killed him
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    PsychoPass

    [1373]Dec 20, 2007
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    esquisofrenic wrote:
    BlueAndOrange wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    amat092 wrote:
    jaketg wrote:
    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:
    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:

    I think if there's gonna be a 'The Firelady' then we'll see Ursas and Irohs story. (duh).

    But there probably is a LOT of speculation of how this could be going....

    This is my version, with some sidenotes:

    WARNING: POTENTIAL SPOILER! (spoilertag didn't work; HTML not well-formed....dang)

    Both Ursa and her sister have been raised for a long while on Ember Island or some other FN island, where they get to hear of their grandfather being Roku, at the age of 18 they are contacted by The White Lotus, the secret organisation their grandmother has set up, with the goal of ending the war and help the avatar to recreate balance. The White Lotus heard from informative sources the Royal family, the Firelord and his two sons, where about to get a beachhouse near the location Ursa and her sister live. The OWL comes with a plan in which one of the two sisters should marry the Firelords oldest son, with as a result bring offspring that will reunite the family of Roku and the family of Sozin.This offspring should help end the war according to the informative source of the Firemages, who during that time stillcooperate withRokus offspring and OWL.In a festivity at the Royal beachhouse the two sisters should be invited and wooed by the Firelords two sons. Ursas older sister is lucky; Iroh falls in love with her, seems like true love. Also Ozai finds himself flirting with Ursa.

    Mainplan is now for the oldest sister to marry Iroh, which happens, and she gives birth to Lu Ten. Irohstillknows nothing about OWL. The older sister could have died while giving birth, making Iroh the only parent left to take care of Lu Ten. Lu Ten at this point is the one destined to become future Firelord to help restore balance to the world, without Iroh knowing it.

    Meanwhile Ursa has gotten married to Ozai and has given birth to two children; Zuko and Azula. Until the childrens birth, Ozai used to be a nice man, but throughout the years he turns bittered and jealous of his brother. Ozai wants to be the next Firelord, and Ursa realizes.

    Iroh is away from home a lot. During different sieges Iroh shows himself a strong man. Iroh, being the future firelord himself, is a willing man. He has been raised by Firenation propaganda and always has tried to stick to the ideals of FN, but during diversing sieges he realizes how rough things are going. Innocent women killed, prisoners taken. For a long while Iroh plays the part of the more righteous general, but doubt has entered his mind. Around the time Lu Ten is grown up and ready to fight in the FN army alongside his uncle uncle still is a fanatic fighter for his country, but all is about to change.

    OWL is willing to do everything to protect Lu Ten, for he should be the Firelord who will help the avatar to bring back balance to the world. Unfortunately, there's a leak. Until now the OWL has had a strong connection with the Firesages, but a big part is too much under threat of Firelord Azulon...they get scared and a gigantic part decides to turn against the OWL. The Firesages decide to do everything to stop Lu Ten from becoming the future Firelord after Iroh. They find their way to bribe soldiers in the army, to make a plot to put Lu Ten in the frontline of the army, and no other soldier will try to protect him. Iroh meanwhile realizes something's wrong, but by that time it's too late. Lu Ten was the first to be killed.

    Ursa hears about this. Desperately she communicates with the OWL; it's time for plan B; the only eldest child left who has both Roku as Sozin as ancestors is Zuko. Since Ursa knows about Ozais frustrations of not becoming Firelord, she decides to approach him to come up with a plan. Despite of that Ursa feels guilty of not letting Iroh know of what is going on.

    Plans are getting out of hand though, Azulon rejects and is now even planning to kill Zuko....(maybe very maybe by some influence of the Firesages who know about OWL's plans?). Ursa now not only feels threatened of not executing the OWL's plans, but she feels threatened to lose her own son; she contacts the OWL to help her forge Azulons will and ....'end' him.

    Ozai decides to banish Ursa....(this is the part I find the most confusing, I'm clueless why he does this) he might distrust Ursa after all that happened. Maybe he found out about Ursa being Rokus offspring? THOUGH without knowing about Zuko being seen by the OWL as the destined Firelord to help the avatar end the war?

    Iroh returns home from the war that night, just after Azulon has been killed. He feels confused, sad, defeated...and his angst only gets worse when he is witness of Azulons death. I think that night, when Ursa is about to be banished, Iroh gets to hearabout the OWL, begging Ursa what is going on. Iroh will be in some kind of impassefor a while, before deciding to join the OWL.

    Ursa decides to retreat somewhere, until the moment she hears of Zukos Agni Kai with his own father and being banished in about a few days. She decides to try to find where he is, and tries to contact the OWL, who might be able toarrange a meeting between Zuko and her. Unfortunately, she decides to go to the traitors within OWL; the Firesages.....Ursa is getting captured by them and put in a jail on a remote island. Meanwhile Iroh, who found out about Zukos banishment, tries to contact Ursa, but Ursa seems disappeared. Iroh decides to promise himself to guide Zuko during his banishment, to eventually help him until he finds Ursa.

    The OWL finds out about the Firesages being the traitors, and finds out where Ursa is being captured. They try to release her, but after they do they find out Ursa has gotten very ill from a broken heart aswell as germs (lol) and it's too late to save her. Ursa while dying begs the members of the OWL to get to Iroh and ask him to take good care of her son, and guide him to 'his destiny'. [/spoiler]

    This is just a vague theory, because actually the whole Firenation story thingy is confusing me .

    Did you write all of that or c/p it from somewhere? O_O

    I've written it baby. ...and I'm not afraid of hitting the mistakezone.

    Wow thats good. but I think they'll do a Sweeney Todd. Ursa will be alive, but no one will know (like, shes gone insane) maybe she'll be killed before Zuko realizes its her (but he sees her die)

    Eviiiil

    What I think is the problem with Ursa still being alive (yeah, no Sweeney Todd for me lol)...is that for...hmmz......like six years she wouldn't have shown herself to Zuko, ok, three years of that he's still within firenation, but the moment he gets banned....wouldn't Ursa be smart enough to somehow find a way to atleast within one year reach Zuko?I think she somehow got stopped; a motherfigure like her being all that patient to wait 'for the right time' just seems off for me.....I think she must've died or she is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well guarded in a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well guarded jail.....and still biting in the legs of the guards who come too close (kinda like the turtleduck mother).

    I have a theory that she's hiding on a remote island with a few surviving AirNomads (Because I can't believe all of them died.) and they're cut off from the rest of the world, so they don't know whats happening

    good idea im starting right now, avatar ahs been canceled no more episdes will come ever, wow i feel much better
    you cant be serious....
    We all know why Ursa was banished right ? She killed Azulon (Ozai's father)to protect his son, and allowing Ozai to become firelord.
    lol, there is like no way that all that can be explained in the remaining part of the season....
    for me she killed him


    Okay, stop it with the quote pyramid. -.- Or spoiler it. But looks like I just contributed to it more. :O
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    esquisofrenic

    [1374]Dec 20, 2007
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    PsychoPass wrote:
    esquisofrenic wrote:
    BlueAndOrange wrote:
    avrurakinninami wrote:
    amat092 wrote:
    jaketg wrote:
    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:
    Princess_Sasuke wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:
    PsychoPass wrote:
    Psyche987 wrote:

    I think if there's gonna be a 'The Firelady' then we'll see Ursas and Irohs story. (duh).

    But there probably is a LOT of speculation of how this could be going....

    This is my version, with some sidenotes:

    WARNING: POTENTIAL SPOILER! (spoilertag didn't work; HTML not well-formed....dang)

    Both Ursa and her sister have been raised for a long while on Ember Island or some other FN island, where they get to hear of their grandfather being Roku, at the age of 18 they are contacted by The White Lotus, the secret organisation their grandmother has set up, with the goal of ending the war and help the avatar to recreate balance. The White Lotus heard from informative sources the Royal family, the Firelord and his two sons, where about to get a beachhouse near the location Ursa and her sister live. The OWL comes with a plan in which one of the two sisters should marry the Firelords oldest son, with as a result bring offspring that will reunite the family of Roku and the family of Sozin.This offspring should help end the war according to the informative source of the Firemages, who during that time stillcooperate withRokus offspring and OWL.In a festivity at the Royal beachhouse the two sisters should be invited and wooed by the Firelords two sons. Ursas older sister is lucky; Iroh falls in love with her, seems like true love. Also Ozai finds himself flirting with Ursa.

    Mainplan is now for the oldest sister to marry Iroh, which happens, and she gives birth to Lu Ten. Irohstillknows nothing about OWL. The older sister could have died while giving birth, making Iroh the only parent left to take care of Lu Ten. Lu Ten at this point is the one destined to become future Firelord to help restore balance to the world, without Iroh knowing it.

    Meanwhile Ursa has gotten married to Ozai and has given birth to two children; Zuko and Azula. Until the childrens birth, Ozai used to be a nice man, but throughout the years he turns bittered and jealous of his brother. Ozai wants to be the next Firelord, and Ursa realizes.

    Iroh is away from home a lot. During different sieges Iroh shows himself a strong man. Iroh, being the future firelord himself, is a willing man. He has been raised by Firenation propaganda and always has tried to stick to the ideals of FN, but during diversing sieges he realizes how rough things are going. Innocent women killed, prisoners taken. For a long while Iroh plays the part of the more righteous general, but doubt has entered his mind. Around the time Lu Ten is grown up and ready to fight in the FN army alongside his uncle uncle still is a fanatic fighter for his country, but all is about to change.

    OWL is willing to do everything to protect Lu Ten, for he should be the Firelord who will help the avatar to bring back balance to the world. Unfortunately, there's a leak. Until now the OWL has had a strong connection with the Firesages, but a big part is too much under threat of Firelord Azulon...they get scared and a gigantic part decides to turn against the OWL. The Firesages decide to do everything to stop Lu Ten from becoming the future Firelord after Iroh. They find their way to bribe soldiers in the army, to make a plot to put Lu Ten in the frontline of the army, and no other soldier will try to protect him. Iroh meanwhile realizes something's wrong, but by that time it's too late. Lu Ten was the first to be killed.

    Ursa hears about this. Desperately she communicates with the OWL; it's time for plan B; the only eldest child left who has both Roku as Sozin as ancestors is Zuko. Since Ursa knows about Ozais frustrations of not becoming Firelord, she decides to approach him to come up with a plan. Despite of that Ursa feels guilty of not letting Iroh know of what is going on.

    Plans are getting out of hand though, Azulon rejects and is now even planning to kill Zuko....(maybe very maybe by some influence of the Firesages who know about OWL's plans?). Ursa now not only feels threatened of not executing the OWL's plans, but she feels threatened to lose her own son; she contacts the OWL to help her forge Azulons will and ....'end' him.

    Ozai decides to banish Ursa....(this is the part I find the most confusing, I'm clueless why he does this) he might distrust Ursa after all that happened. Maybe he found out about Ursa being Rokus offspring? THOUGH without knowing about Zuko being seen by the OWL as the destined Firelord to help the avatar end the war?

    Iroh returns home from the war that night, just after Azulon has been killed. He feels confused, sad, defeated...and his angst only gets worse when he is witness of Azulons death. I think that night, when Ursa is about to be banished, Iroh gets to hearabout the OWL, begging Ursa what is going on. Iroh will be in some kind of impassefor a while, before deciding to join the OWL.

    Ursa decides to retreat somewhere, until the moment she hears of Zukos Agni Kai with his own father and being banished in about a few days. She decides to try to find where he is, and tries to contact the OWL, who might be able toarrange a meeting between Zuko and her. Unfortunately, she decides to go to the traitors within OWL; the Firesages.....Ursa is getting captured by them and put in a jail on a remote island. Meanwhile Iroh, who found out about Zukos banishment, tries to contact Ursa, but Ursa seems disappeared. Iroh decides to promise himself to guide Zuko during his banishment, to eventually help him until he finds Ursa.

    The OWL finds out about the Firesages being the traitors, and finds out where Ursa is being captured. They try to release her, but after they do they find out Ursa has gotten very ill from a broken heart aswell as germs (lol) and it's too late to save her. Ursa while dying begs the members of the OWL to get to Iroh and ask him to take good care of her son, and guide him to 'his destiny'. [/spoiler]

    This is just a vague theory, because actually the whole Firenation story thingy is confusing me .

    Did you write all of that or c/p it from somewhere? O_O

    I've written it baby. ...and I'm not afraid of hitting the mistakezone.

    Wow thats good. but I think they'll do a Sweeney Todd. Ursa will be alive, but no one will know (like, shes gone insane) maybe she'll be killed before Zuko realizes its her (but he sees her die)

    Eviiiil

    What I think is the problem with Ursa still being alive (yeah, no Sweeney Todd for me lol)...is that for...hmmz......like six years she wouldn't have shown herself to Zuko, ok, three years of that he's still within firenation, but the moment he gets banned....wouldn't Ursa be smart enough to somehow find a way to atleast within one year reach Zuko?I think she somehow got stopped; a motherfigure like her being all that patient to wait 'for the right time' just seems off for me.....I think she must've died or she is VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well guarded in a VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY well guarded jail.....and still biting in the legs of the guards who come too close (kinda like the turtleduck mother).

    I have a theory that she's hiding on a remote island with a few surviving AirNomads (Because I can't believe all of them died.) and they're cut off from the rest of the world, so they don't know whats happening

    good idea im starting right now, avatar ahs been canceled no more episdes will come ever, wow i feel much better
    you cant be serious....
    We all know why Ursa was banished right ? She killed Azulon (Ozai's father)to protect his son, and allowing Ozai to become firelord.
    lol, there is like no way that all that can be explained in the remaining part of the season....
    for me she killed him


    Okay, stop it with the quote pyramid. -.- Or spoiler it. But looks like I just contributed to it more. :O
    but it still in contruction
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    BradyBannister5

    [1375]Dec 20, 2007
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    ***SPOILER***
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    boolCompromise

    [1376]Dec 20, 2007
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    Some crazy, but still possible, speculation (in no important order, and with possible SPOILERS):

    1. Iroh tries to retake the throne with the order of the white lotus backing him up and dies in the process, Ozai having seen and accounted for the redirecting lightning move. Zuko is devastated. Some have already stated versions of this.

    2. Zuko turns out to be a very effective teacher. On top of it, Aang, having a lot of "raw power" as Jeong Jeong stated, turns out to be an amazingly talented firebender. I'm almost certain the final battle with happen after the comet arrives. Aang facing off against Ozai, both with incredible power (Aang is a firebender too after all).

    3. Sandbenders or Airbenders? Is it possible that they are concealing their airbending by making it look like a type of earthbending? After 100 years in hiding and exile, especially a harsh life in the desert, the only place the fire nation can't reach them, you would expect them to have lost their way a little. The elder one does seem horrified when he realizes his son stole the avatar's bison. Also, Aang has been all over the world so far, and hasn't run into any airbenders, seems that if they are still around at all they must be hiding in plain sight.

    4. Sokka learns to waterbend? Every one of the four nations developed their bending skills when one or more of its members "learned" to bend (by watching badger moles or the moon and ocean, etc). But in the current time it seems less like they learn to bend, than it is something they are born with. But maybe Sokka, could learn late in life, just as the first water benders had, because of his affinity with the moon. Or maybe it will just be a one time, under stress thing (if at all).

    5. Everyone is capable of bending every element. The creators have supposively said that it is a mix of "genetics" and spirituality. I think that they meant that the nation you are born into restricts what bending discipline you are capable of learning because the culture leans towards that element. Throughout the series, the characters (especially benders), are designed to act like their elements: The fire nation attacking the other nations, because it is fire's nature to consume, but just like the leaf exercise Jeong Jeong gave Aang, if you don't control the flame, eventually it will consume everything and snuff itselt out. Zhao almost did this when he killed the moon spirit, something that would have hurt all benders. I could go through countless other examples, but the point is that each nation and the people from them are very much like their elements. This makes me think it is spirituality that gives the bending power, and culture that restricts which element they can use. This would explain why the opposite element is so hard for the avatar to learn. The air-nomad culture is almost the exact opposite of the earth-kingdom's rooted culture. The guru stated that they are all one people, but live as if divided, just like the four elements, which are really 4 parts of the same whole. Further, there have never been any inter-nation couples or even interest until Aangs time. All the previous avatars and the people from their times we've seen had husbands or wives from the same nation. It's hard to imagine it hasn't happened before, but without mention we can't be sure. But I do think it is possible that an enlightened firebender could learn minor airbending or earthbending skills by understanding the culture of other nations and their affinity for their element, but waterbending would be way too hard unless you were the avatar.

    Sorry for such a long post.

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    PsychoPass

    [1377]Dec 20, 2007
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    boolCompromise wrote:

    Some crazy, but still possible, speculation (in no important order, and with possible SPOILERS):

    1. Iroh tries to retake the throne with the order of the white lotus backing him up and dies in the process, Ozai having seen and accounted for the redirecting lightning move. Zuko is devastated. Some have already stated versions of this.

    2. Zuko turns out to be a very effective teacher. On top of it, Aang, having a lot of "raw power" as Jeong Jeong stated, turns out to be an amazingly talented firebender. I'm almost certain the final battle with happen after the comet arrives. Aang facing off against Ozai, both with incredible power (Aang is a firebender too after all).

    3. Sandbenders or Airbenders? Is it possible that they are concealing their airbending by making it look like a type of earthbending? After 100 years in hiding and exile, especially a harsh life in the desert, the only place the fire nation can't reach them, you would expect them to have lost their way a little. The elder one does seem horrified when he realizes his son stole the avatar's bison. Also, Aang has been all over the world so far, and hasn't run into any airbenders, seems that if they are still around at all they must be hiding in plain sight.

    4. Sokka learns to waterbend? Every one of the four nations developed their bending skills when one or more of its members "learned" to bend (by watching badger moles or the moon and ocean, etc). But in the current time it seems less like they learn to bend, than it is something they are born with. But maybe Sokka, could learn late in life, just as the first water benders had, because of his affinity with the moon. Or maybe it will just be a one time, under stress thing (if at all).

    5. Everyone is capable of bending every element. The creators have supposively said that it is a mix of "genetics" and spirituality. I think that they meant that the nation you are born into restricts what bending discipline you are capable of learning because the culture leans towards that element. Throughout the series, the characters (especially benders), are designed to act like their elements: The fire nation attacking the other nations, because it is fire's nature to consume, but just like the leaf exercise Jeong Jeong gave Aang, if you don't control the flame, eventually it will consume everything and snuff itselt out. Zhao almost did this when he killed the moon spirit, something that would have hurt all benders. I could go through countless other examples, but the point is that each nation and the people from them are very much like their elements. This makes me think it is spirituality that gives the bending power, and culture that restricts which element they can use. This would explain why the opposite element is so hard for the avatar to learn. The air-nomad culture is almost the exact opposite of the earth-kingdom's rooted culture. The guru stated that they are all one people, but live as if divided, just like the four elements, which are really 4 parts of the same whole. Further, there have never been any inter-nation couples or even interest until Aangs time. All the previous avatars and the people from their times we've seen had husbands or wives from the same nation. It's hard to imagine it hasn't happened before, but without mention we can't be sure. But I do think it is possible that an enlightened firebender could learn minor airbending or earthbending skills by understanding the culture of other nations and their affinity for their element, but waterbending would be way too hard unless you were the avatar.

    Sorry for such a long post.



    The length of a post means nothing when it is of good quality. Welcome to the boards.

    You bring up some interesting points but the sandbenders really are just specialized earthbenders. :[
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    Psyche987

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    Isn't there any 313 sneak peek out there?
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    Princess_Sasuke

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    Psyche987 wrote:
    Isn't there any 313 sneak peek out there?
    *raspy voice* We can wish and want and hope and dream. Maybe some1 asked 'sanata' for a clip. idunno *sulks off to take pain emds*
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    avrurakinninami

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    Believe it or not.

    episode 315 : " Boiling Water "
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