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| whats-it wrote: |
Well, Aang said he'd at least try. And I think the reason Katara was crying was because Aang broke his promise to her about using the AS again. Maybe....or perhaps someone was killed in front of her because she was already in fight-mode. SO CONFUSING!!!!!! |
All I'm looking at is "I think", "Maybe", and "perhaps". All three meaning, "YOU DON'T KNOW!"
And??"SO CONFUSING!!!!!!" is what you're making me and how I describe your post.
| Rosary94 wrote: | ||
All I'm looking at is "I think", "Maybe", and "perhaps". All three meaning, "YOU DON'T KNOW!" And??"SO CONFUSING!!!!!!" is what you're making me and how I describe your post. |
Oh well. Most people understand me, but there is always a few I get confused. Oh well, it's all good. What I was trying to say was possibilities of the scenes shown on the third preview:
Katara's tearful expression andAang said he would try but it never said WHAT he would try.
| whats-it wrote: |
Well, Aang said he'd at least try. And I think the reason Katara was crying was because Aang broke his promise to her about using the AS again. Maybe....or perhaps someone was killed in front of her because she was already in fight-mode. SO CONFUSING!!!!!! |
Is that your favorite thing to say?
| SaigoKarasu wrote: |
| Um...I watched the second preview several times and I don't see where Aang says anything like "I'll try" regarding giving up Katara. Basically, the dialouge went like this from what i've seen in the preview: "Why would I let go of Katara? I love her!" "If you leave now, you will not be able to go into the Avatar State at all!" I don't really hear him saying "Okay...i'll try." I am not a shipper by any means ( personally think it turns intellegent men and women into lemmings), but I want to see some definite proof of such claims. Perhaps the reason the Guru is asking him to give her up is because of his promises? Also, where does it specifically state that Aang has to give her up in order to acieve AS instead of just letting go of his promises to save the world? Refrain from jumping to conclusions. I didn't want to pull this up but in the Spider-Man movies, didn't Peter Parker try to give up Mary Jane to protect her and focus on fighting crime? Now look what happened. A similiar plot device has been done quite a bit before. In Naruto, Naruto is trying to back off on Sakura in Part II yet still has feelings for her (date requests, trying to peep on her while she was bathing) and by the looks of things Sakura is starting to return those feelings (Chapters 245-7, 289, 296-7). If your just watching Avatar for romance, you're not a fan of the series. You're just an idiot (fantard is more appropriate). Now tell me: How the ****ing hell does the first preview imply romance between Zuko and Katara? Please don't let your liking towards a pairing cloud your judgement and make you think it's automatically going to happen. God, Zutara reminds me so much of SasuSaku in so many ways...I don't care about Kataang but I don't see why so many people think Zutara is going to happen. Fandoms can be so ****ing annoying... |
The "I'll try" quote is from the 3rd Avatar finale trailer.?? I??uploaded onto youtube but the sound is horrible!?? I didn't think it would be that bad but here's the link to the trailer anyway if you are interested.
??http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7amDwQ1O2RE
Sorry about the sound again.?? If you want a written transcript (or at least what I could make out when I replayed it on my computer), it's on page 30, post number 582??of the Official Speculation: The Guru/The Crossroads of Destiny (12/1 - 218 spoilers) thread.?? Hope this helps.??
| SaigoKarasu wrote: |
| Um...I watched the second preview several times and I don't see where Aang says anything like "I'll try" regarding giving up Katara. Basically, the dialouge went like this from what i've seen in the preview: "Why would I let go of Katara? I love her!" "If you leave now, you will not be able to go into the Avatar State at all!" I don't really hear him saying "Okay...i'll try." I am not a shipper by any means ( personally think it turns intellegent men and women into lemmings), but I want to see some definite proof of such claims. Perhaps the reason the Guru is asking him to give her up is because of his promises? Also, where does it specifically state that Aang has to give her up in order to acieve AS instead of just letting go of his promises to save the world? Refrain from jumping to conclusions. I didn't want to pull this up but in the Spider-Man movies, didn't Peter Parker try to give up Mary Jane to protect her and focus on fighting crime? Now look what happened. A similiar plot device has been done quite a bit before. In Naruto, Naruto is trying to back off on Sakura in Part II yet still has feelings for her (date requests, trying to peep on her while she was bathing) and by the looks of things Sakura is starting to return those feelings (Chapters 245-7, 289, 296-7). If your just watching Avatar for romance, you're not a fan of the series. You're just an idiot (fantard is more appropriate). Now tell me: How the ****ing hell does the first preview imply romance between Zuko and Katara? Please don't let your liking towards a pairing cloud your judgement and make you think it's automatically going to happen. God, Zutara reminds me so much of SasuSaku in so many ways...I don't care about Kataang but I don't see why so many people think Zutara is going to happen. Fandoms can be so ****ing annoying... |
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The part where Aang says, "I'll try." is on the THIRD season finale trailer. You see Katara crying whilst in the octopus fighting thingie and her giving him a hug. And the Guru says, "You have to let go." which follows with Aang says he'll try. So, there's a pretty good percentage that means what it sounds like. The preview even had the narraitor woman saying, "Will Aang have to give up Katara?" Soooooo, that means that the whole "give up Katara" is a BIG thing in the series. Plus, us being called "lemmings" is not a very nice thing to state on a DISCUSSION forum. I do not insult anyone for what they believe. That was uncalled for, regardless of how you felt when you posted that. There ARE children on this forum and calling THEM blunty stupid is not called for. I would recomend you keep your feelings toward us shippers less arousing. I don't know Pooldude that much but I'm sure he wouldn't put up with that. I know that's your opinion and I respect that. Just think of who that is referring to before you say it please. Let shippers think what they want to think. All this talk and shipping is just for fun. Let people have their fun. And if you're sick and tired of the shipping don't go into the threads that deal with shipping. I know it's everywhere but it's best to ignore it.Interesting...still, similar things like this have happened in the past. Aang will try his best to let go however he can't quite do it. In the process, the love is no longer unrequited as the female begins to have feelings for the hero. Cue angst. Cue love confession. Cue happy marriage with babies.
The plot device is rather common with it's quality dependent on excecution. Plus by the looks of things, Katara is starting to like Aang back.
For some reason by the beggining of the series, I kinda predicted this would happen. But hell, I don't watch Avatar for romance. I watch t for the action and storytelling.
| SaigoKarasu wrote: |
Interesting...still, similar things like this have happened in the past. Aang will try his best to let go however he can't quite do it. In the process, the love is no longer unrequited as the female begins to have feelings for the hero. Cue angst. Cue love confession. Cue happy marriage with babies. The plot device is rather common with it's quality dependent on excecution. Plus by the looks of things, Katara is starting to like Aang back. For some reason by the beggining of the series, I kinda predicted this would happen. But hell, I don't watch Avatar for romance. I watch t for the action and storytelling. |
We'll just have to see. My personal opinion is that Katara doesn't really see Aang as anything but a little kid and her being the mother figure he has been missing probably his whole life.
| whats-it wrote: | ||
?? One, I made a post regarding this. I didn't see the third preview anywhere. My apologies. And yeah, the quality did suck. Two, again a similar plot device has been done quite a bit before (refer to previous posts). Hero tries to give up girl to save world but still likes her. Girl falls for hero. Hero tries to distance himself for girl. Girl doesn't like it. An event happens that pushes them together. Crowd is eating popcorn at a fast rate in anticipation of what will happen next. I believe he will no longer be held back by his promises to Katara regarding AS and will apologize for breaking them, but as in give up on her? Things aren't always that easy...Hell, Naruto still likes Sakura in part II even though he's backing off for her sake. And of course she's starting to like him back. Again,??the plot device has??been done before and it's quality depends on how well it is executed. Three, I thought it was all fun and games but people actually take this stuff way too seriously. It's like their "love" for their pairing has clouded their judgement. Four, keep in mind I am refering to hardcore shippers, not the casual ones (people who just like it) with the lemming comment. I was just saying??shipping has the ability to turn intellegent people and cloud their judgement. The part where Aang says, "I'll try." is on the THIRD season finale trailer. You see Katara crying whilst in the octopus fighting thingie and her giving him a hug. And the Guru says, "You have to let go." which follows with Aang says he'll try. So, there's a pretty good percentage that means what it sounds like. The preview even had the narraitor woman saying, "Will Aang have to give up Katara?" Soooooo, that means that the whole "give up Katara" is a BIG thing in the series. Plus, us being called "lemmings" is not a very nice thing to state on a DISCUSSION forum. I do not insult anyone for what they believe. That was uncalled for, regardless of how you felt when you posted that. There ARE children on this forum and calling THEM blunty stupid is not called for. I would recomend you keep your feelings toward us shippers less arousing. I don't know Pooldude that much but I'm sure he wouldn't put up with that. I know that's your opinion and I respect that. Just think of who that is referring to before you say it please. Let shippers think what they want to think. All this talk and shipping is just for fun. Let people have their fun. And if you're sick and tired of the shipping don't go into the threads that deal with shipping. I know it's everywhere but it's best to ignore it. |
| SaigoKarasu wrote: | ||||
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Sorry. New with this crap.
One, I made a post regarding this. I didn't see the third preview anywhere. My apologies. And yeah, the quality did suck.
Two, again a similar plot device has been done quite a bit before (refer to previous posts). Hero tries to give up girl to save world but still likes her. Girl falls for hero. Hero tries to distance himself for girl. Girl doesn't like it. An event happens that pushes them together. Crowd is eating popcorn at a fast rate in anticipation of what will happen next.
I believe he will no longer be held back by his promises to Katara regarding AS and will apologize for breaking them, but as in give up on her? Things aren't always that easy...Hell, Naruto still likes Sakura in part II even though he's backing off for her sake. And of course she's starting to like him back. Again,??the plot device has??been done before and it's quality depends on how well it is executed.
Three, I thought it was all fun and games but people actually take this stuff way too seriously. It's like their "love" for their pairing has clouded their judgement.
Four, keep in mind I am refering to hardcore shippers, not the casual ones (people who just like it) with the lemming comment. I was just saying??shipping has the ability to turn intellegent people and cloud their judgement.
| SaigoKarasu wrote: |
| Sorry. New with this crap. One, I made a post regarding this. I didn't see the third preview anywhere. My apologies. And yeah, the quality did suck. Two, again a similar plot device has been done quite a bit before (refer to previous posts). Hero tries to give up girl to save world but still likes her. Girl falls for hero. Hero tries to distance himself for girl. Girl doesn't like it. An event happens that pushes them together. Crowd is eating popcorn at a fast rate in anticipation of what will happen next. I believe he will no longer be held back by his promises to Katara regarding AS and will apologize for breaking them, but as in give up on her? Things aren't always that easy...Hell, Naruto still likes Sakura in part II even though he's backing off for her sake. And of course she's starting to like him back. Again,??the plot device has??been done before and it's quality depends on how well it is executed. Three, I thought it was all fun and games but people actually take this stuff way too seriously. It's like their "love" for their pairing has clouded their judgement. Four, keep in mind I am refering to hardcore shippers, not the casual ones (people who just like it) with the lemming comment. I was just saying??shipping has the ability to turn intellegent people and cloud their judgement. |
That's all right! No prob. And yeah, there are some pretty hardcores out there and they even scare me. I try not to let my preferred pairing cloud my judgement like the ones that usually state:
"Aang can't give up Katara! I won't allow it! I'll stop watching Avatar if they Do!"
Or something like that. That just shows there are some people who aren't very loyal to the show. There are "love" seekers out there who only get interested in shows that have a love relationship that they really like and without that love they wouldn't watched the show in the first place.
Luckily, I'm not a hardcore shipper and I DO see where you're coming from. Sometimes it gets under my skin more than a little bit. And lots of people haven't seen the 3rd trailor so that's understandable too.
| astrawoid wrote: |
| But do you think that Katara will ever really "fall" for Aang??? I think her feelings for him are much more in the capacity of a sibling or other family member rather than romantic feelings.?? She might have thought about it being more but I still think that she really only cares for Aang like a little brother.?? And I'm not for any of the different shippers.?? I really don't care one way or another.?? What ever the creators want is fine by me, I mean these are just kids for crying out loud.?? Does anyone really know at 12 and 14 who they are going to be with the rest of their lives??? Maybe only on tv and in the movies.?? But that doesn't mean they can't have deep feelings for each other.?? I think it's just more like a big sis on Katara's part and Aang's first crush (which can definately feel like real love for someone so young) and maybe I'm just totally wrong but I guess we'll see in the finale and as season 3 progresses. |
I agree. And lets not forget that Katara DID have feelings for Jet before he was revealed as a complete psychopath. And even in Lake Laogi it was revealed that she still had a timid of a crush on him since she was blushing and Toph said she was lying. Toph would know if Katara like Aang that way too since she can feel it when people are lying. Why not when they're really excited or nervous too?
And Katara seems like a mother-figure to me. Always taking care of Aang and mothering him. Like when Toph was trying to get Aang to earthbend and she suggested a more timid approach. And that scene shows that Katara tries to build his confidence with kind words and encouragement. So, Aang COULD'VE taken those confidence boosters as something more. Don't know. Just throwing out ideas into the wind.
| astrawoid wrote: |
| But do you think that Katara will ever really "fall" for Aang??? I think her feelings for him are much more in the capacity of a sibling or other family member rather than romantic feelings.?? She might have thought about it being more but I still think that she really only cares for Aang like a little brother.?? And I'm not for any of the different shippers.?? I really don't care one way or another.?? What ever the creators want is fine by me, I mean these are just kids for crying out loud.?? Does anyone really know at 12 and 14 who they are going to be with the rest of their lives??? Maybe only on tv and in the movies.?? But that doesn't mean they can't have deep feelings for each other.?? I think it's just more like a big sis on Katara's part and Aang's first crush (which can definately feel like real love for someone so young) and maybe I'm just totally wrong but I guess we'll see in the finale and as season 3 progresses. |
I agree to an extent. However, I've seen the "little brother" argument quite a bit before as an argument against NaruSaku. The thing is, you don't suggest actually kissing (on the lips) with a sibling. In NaruSaku's case, you don't blush when thinking about a sibling or ask that sibling out on dates let alone agree to go out on one. A "companionate" bond (or love) is the best way to describe Kataang.
Trust me, I've seen shows and manga when 10 year olds fall in love and end up together. It's called fiction, m'dear.
| whats-it wrote: |
| Like Cardcaptor Sakura! But it was either Li Syaoran or a chick so that was easy. But also in that series the children were very mature for their age and it was based on Japanese lifestyle which is MUCH different than American. Even though a lot of Avatar is Asian oriented not everything is. I believe the season finale will tell us where the relationships will go. That way we can settle the majority of the shipping arguments. Sure, there will be a few who refuse to give in. But that's with EVERYTHING anyway. |
I don't think we'll see any resolution to this until the end of the series. I mean, we still have another season left. Of course, i've been wrong before...
| SaigoKarasu wrote: | ||
I don't think we'll see any resolution to this until the end of the series. I mean, we still have another season left. Of course, i've been wrong before... |
I do love Kataang, but I definatley won't stop watching the show if it doesn't happen, or even if Zutara happened. I love this show for the plot line, action,??and the characters, but the shipping is like the cherry on top. I think this will be the time when Kataang and Zutara either thrive or die. And I do have to agree with other people that I think Katara is starting to view Aang as more than a "dear friend". I'm taking one person's theory and twisting it to match this new preview (omg so confusing!!!!)
When Aang confeses that he doesn't want to give up Katara, the guru will tell him he has to or else, and after much debate on Aang's part, he will "try", but, like, you know when BigMe Aang kind of backs off from MiniMe Aang when he's all up in the cosmos, I think he senses that Aang hasn't totally given up Katara, and some big thing will happen where he sees Katara in trouble or what-not and comes into the cave all like "I have come to save the daaaaay!" And then something bad happens with him and Katara is like "ah crap" and something happens and she hugs him. And then because love conquers all, and the avatar state is run by emotions and love is big time emotion, he can go into the avatar state and kick everyone's ass! *cough cough* Azula *cough cough*
Three, I thought it was all fun and games but people actually take this stuff way too seriously. It's like their "love" for their pairing has clouded their judgement.
Four, keep in mind I am refering to hardcore shippers, not the casual ones (people who just like it) with the lemming comment. I was just saying??shipping has the ability to turn intellegent people and cloud their judgement.
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I won't lie, this is actually half the reason I don't post in these threads too much. Every thread almost always turns into a shipping war and it's becoming, for lack of a better word(s), very annoying. It's like "Okay people, I can respect and understand that you want to ship and love the relationships but there are far more important things to Avatar than who Katara will end up with."
| ChibiMaddiChan wrote: |
| [QUOTE="SaigoKarasu" Three, I thought it was all fun and games but people actually take this stuff way too seriously. It's like their "love" for their pairing has clouded their judgement. Four, keep in mind I am refering to hardcore shippers, not the casual ones (people who just like it) with the lemming comment. I was just saying??shipping has the ability to turn intellegent people and cloud their judgement. |
Yea, I'm not even coming on this forum till a week after the SF airs, because there is going to be big time shipping war and five posts a second going "OMG squee did you see Zutara" or "YES!!!! Kataang lives!!!" or "OMG OMG KISSY KISSY!!!!" People need to chill now that we have gotten off our happy pills of shipping from these new previews, its starting to get a little crazy.
