| Dafoose wrote: | ||
Exactomundo, only jet's better with the ladies, lol. |
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| Dafoose wrote: | ||
Exactomundo, only jet's better with the ladies, lol. |
| PsychoPass wrote: |
| Not another "guess the psychological profile of the character" thread. *avoids* |
fraid so. This one had a bit of potential, but it has now degenerated into a discussion of Iroh being a pimp.
| Axrendale wrote: | ||
fraid so. This one had a bit of potential, but it has now degenerated into a discussion of Iroh being a pimp.
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I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you. To tell you the truth, I was never a big believer in the whole "psycological profile" business. I think that people are more complicated than that. Everyone does what they do because they make choices that seem right to them, but can turn out to be very wrong indeed. One thing just leads to another. In Jet's case, I imagine that his vengance quest started out quite honorably, but when it wasn't doing so well, he started to adjust his tactics. I viewed his problem as having become completely obsessed with what hesaw as his mission; to the extent that he was willing to do anything to achieve it.
| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| You'd think that someone like that, though, would be constantly angry like Zuko. Zuko didn't have any underlying psychotic problem. He didn't put on a front. Jet did. He acted nice and light hearted and just happy. But that wasn't who he really was. I think someone who was that obsessed with his mission would be noticeably angry all the time. |
As we established, Jet was a very good liar (almost, but not quite as good as Azula). He knew that he needed to cover up the obsession so that he didn't drive other people away, and so he did so. When we see him again in "City of Walls and Secrets", his obsession is much more in the open - and that was what played a big part in driving Long Shot and Smellerbee away from his cause.
| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| I don't think he did it for others benefit. It was to manipulate them because he thought they didn't know better. He had a feeling of superiority. He didn't lie to make people like him more just for the sake of having friends, he lied to use people. Jet took a place of power and abused it. |
Exactly. It was all about keeping people arouund him so that he could make use of them in the vengance quest against the Fire Nation that obsessed him.
| isabelwhatx wrote: |
| But, even though I'm about to contradict what I just said, he cared for the people he manipulated. I could see it in his eyes when Katara turned against him. He has a twisted sense of reality. He was confused as to why Katara would turn on him. He thinks he can lie to people and have them at the same time. |
Therein lay the hope for Jet's character. He did care about the people around him, but his trouble was the his obsession with revenge was simply more powerful. He was confused because he didn't know what he wanted more - revenge or friendship, not mention, he was so used to thinking of his cause as just that he simply couldn't fathom the idea that other people who had been in similar situations to him might regard it with revulsion.
| Axrendale wrote: |
Actually no, Azula is not a sociopath - she is a megalomaniac. Azula's behavior is certainly abnormal, and she is a very good liar, but those both stem from personal choices rather than her psych. The definition of a megalomaniac is someone who has a compulsive need to remain in total control of their surroundings - a description that fits Azula like a glove. When megalomaniacs find they cannot control the situation, they snap - which was what happened to Azula in the finale. So, Jet = sociopath Azula = megalomaniac There is a difference. |
i agree with this, but i do not think is a full Sociopath. He shows regret and sadness, and knows when to do the right thing [before he dies]....
i wish iroh was a little bit better with ladies ahahaha
and he has to walk real pimp.
like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pmEnR3JBCM&feature=related
and i agree with axrendale.
jet went crazy wanting to achieve his goals.
| 316521 wrote: | ||
i agree with this, but i do not think is a full Sociopath. He shows regret and sadness, and knows when to do the right thing [before he dies].... |
Actually, I don't think that Jet is a full sociopath, and nor do I think that Azula is purely a megalomanic. Both of their characters are far more complicated than that. But that's a long post for another day.
I'm not sure I'd call Jet a sociopath, but I can see where you're going with that idea. And I wouldn't say that he was confused either. Even though we may call his values into question (drowning the villagers to damage the fire nation), Jet was a very sure person. Sure, we could argue that his values were distorted by a traumatic childhood that involved the death of his parents at an early age, growing up an orphan, and being thrust into a leadership position. But he was a very driven and entirely sane individual. A key theme in this show is kids growing up without strong parental figures, be they deceased (Katara, Sokka, Jet), banished (Zuko, Azula), overbearing (Toph), uninterested (Ty Lee), imprisoned (Haru), or flat out nonexistent (Aang) and how they are shaped instead by their own real world experiences, for better, or often, in Jet's case, for worse.
| rgc19 wrote: |
I'm not sure I'd call Jet a sociopath, but I can see where you're going with that idea. And I wouldn't say that he was confused either. Even though we may call his values into question (drowning the villagers to damage the fire nation), Jet was a very sure person. Sure, we could argue that his values were distorted by a traumatic childhood that involved the death of his parents at an early age, growing up an orphan, and being thrust into a leadership position. But he was a very driven and entirely sane individual. A key theme in this show is kids growing up without strong parental figures, be they deceased (Katara, Sokka, Jet), banished (Zuko, Azula), overbearing (Toph), uninterested (Ty Lee), imprisoned (Haru), or flat out nonexistent (Aang) and how they are shaped instead by their own real world experiences, for better, or often, in Jet's case, for worse. |
it could be put pretty simply. Jet was a vigilante. By no means was he a sociopath though because he was able to feel remorse.
| LondonParisNYC wrote: | ||
it could be put pretty simply. Jet was a vigilante. By no means was he a sociopath though because he was able to feel remorse. |
True, but he was more than a vigilante. A vigilante is a dangerous person, but not necessarily a bad one (watch Batman). Jet's character transcended the mere confines of vigilantism.
| LondonParisNYC wrote: | ||
it could be put pretty simply. Jet was a vigilante. By no means was he a sociopath though because he was able to feel remorse. |
He didn't seem very remorseful when he was about to wipe out an entire village just to kill a few dozen Fire nation Soldiers. Quite the opposite really.
| Axrendale wrote: | ||||
He didn't seem very remorseful when he was about to wipe out an entire village just to kill a few dozen Fire nation Soldiers. Quite the opposite really. |
after the fact. before he died. not at the time. he didn't realize what he was doing was wrong.
| LondonParisNYC wrote: | ||||||
after the fact. before he died. not at the time. he didn't realize what he was doing was wrong. |
Could you clarify that a bit please?
