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what i think about the 'non-violent' use of deadly weapons in avatar:

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    U4ric

    [21]Nov 4, 2006
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    So what is your point? That to appease??some people's??sensibilities as to what warrants realism they should change the show? I simply disagree that it would add anything to the show. Stating that I made no reference to weaponry is irrelevant as I still do not believe it would make the show better.

    tigerstalksprey wrote:
    U4ric wrote:

    I just don't see why thi subject is brought up again. The writers/producers are making a show telling an interesting story. Catering to the fans desires, in my mind, would hinder the show. I just don't see how it would make the show any better. Without actually seeing Zuko's injury when he was faced against his father, I was able to get a very good sense of what happened. The same with Azula's attack on Iroh. even without blood that scene was intense. Would seeing Lu Ten's body have made the intenseness of the scene with Iroh singing in Tales of BSS higher? I don't think so.

    I was actually fine with them not showing when Zuko got his scar, and when Iroh took a blast of fire to the chest, that didn't necessarily warrant blood. I was mainly talking about the use of deadly weapons in a non-violent manner. Did anything in your post involve deadly weapons? NO
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    tigerstalksprey

    [22]Nov 4, 2006
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    U4ric wrote:

    So what is your point? That to appease some people's sensibilities as to what warrants realism they should change the show? I simply disagree that it would add anything to the show. Stating that I made no reference to weaponry is irrelevant as I still do not believe it would make the show better.

    tigerstalksprey wrote:
    U4ric wrote:

    I just don't see why thi subject is brought up again. The writers/producers are making a show telling an interesting story. Catering to the fans desires, in my mind, would hinder the show. I just don't see how it would make the show any better. Without actually seeing Zuko's injury when he was faced against his father, I was able to get a very good sense of what happened. The same with Azula's attack on Iroh. even without blood that scene was intense. Would seeing Lu Ten's body have made the intenseness of the scene with Iroh singing in Tales of BSS higher? I don't think so.

    I was actually fine with them not showing when Zuko got his scar, and when Iroh took a blast of fire to the chest, that didn't necessarily warrant blood. I was mainly talking about the use of deadly weapons in a non-violent manner. Did anything in your post involve deadly weapons? NO


    My point is that with they way they refuse to use deadly weapons the way theyre supposed to be used, it creates annoying dilemmas. Since you're so strongly opposed to this, please tell me how they can use Mai's character effectively? What are they gonna have her do? Always have her arrows deflected before they can hit someone? Always have bladed weapons chop up inanimate objects? hmmmmmmm? I'm just saying that gets repetitive sometimes.
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    Reef_Raider

    [23]Nov 4, 2006
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    U4ric wrote:

    I just don't see why thi subject is brought up again. The writers/producers are making a show telling an interesting story. Catering to the fans desires, in my mind, would hinder the show. I just don't see how it would make the show any better. Without actually seeing Zuko's injury when he was faced against his father, I was able to get a very good sense of what happened. The same with Azula's attack on Iroh. even without blood that scene was intense. Would seeing Lu Ten's body have made the intenseness of the scene with Iroh singing in Tales of BSS higher? I don't think so.

    I know exactly what you mean. This is a great show and it has an amazing plot, adding more graphic scenes would not make it a better show, IMO. I love watching this show with some of my younger cousins and I know that their parents would not approve of this show if it had blood and was more graphic. The creators have done a great job in allowing this show to appeal to all ages and I have no problem with that.

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    U4ric

    [24]Nov 4, 2006
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    tigerstalksprey wrote:
    My point is that with they way they refuse to use deadly weapons the way theyre supposed to be used, it creates annoying dilemmas. Since you're so strongly opposed to this, please tell me how they can use Mai's character effectively? What are they gonna have her do? Always have her arrows deflected before they can hit someone? Always have bladed weapons chop up inanimate objects? hmmmmmmm? I'm just saying that gets repetitive sometimes.

    Oh I see, then basically there's no point in discussing this as I simply am not bothered by how they have created the show or do I need to speculate as to how character's skills (whether with weaponry, bending or hand-to-hand combat) will be used in the future. They have managed to make Sokka turn out to be pretty inventive, and I am betting they will continue to do so in the future with him and the other characters. I prefer to let the story unfold rather than focus on this subject again as it's been discussed so many times before. Hopefully this perceived flaw in the storytelling does not hinder your enjoyment of it.

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    Trich4343

    [25]Nov 4, 2006
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    The point is, all though this show is great and definitly one of the better shows out right now, it would be so much better if it was a little darker. I know it is for kids, unfortunately there is not really any other epic story of this caliber out there. If you look at movies in a similar genre, the big ones like LOTR, Gladiator, Braveheart, even movies like Harry Potter or Chronicles of Narnia(which I think are geared for kids) all had darker aspects to them and didnt shy away from showing blood, people getting injured, or killed.?? I know in movies you can get away with more and I'm not expecting Avatar to be like a Rated R movie. I'm just saying that it would make the series better and saying that it wouldn't is just wrong.?? For epic stories like Avatar, darkness and realism really adds to the whole element of the story.

    Avatar is really great show though and Nick gave them the chance to have the show.?? So you have to play by Nick's rules.
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    soccerdawg76

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    U4ric wrote:

    tigerstalksprey wrote:
    My point is that with they way they refuse to use deadly weapons the way theyre supposed to be used, it creates annoying dilemmas. Since you're so strongly opposed to this, please tell me how they can use Mai's character effectively? What are they gonna have her do? Always have her arrows deflected before they can hit someone? Always have bladed weapons chop up inanimate objects? hmmmmmmm? I'm just saying that gets repetitive sometimes.

    Oh I see, then basically there's no point in discussing this as I simply am not bothered by how they have created the show or do I need to speculate as to how character's skills (whether with weaponry, bending or hand-to-hand combat) will be used in the future. They have managed to make Sokka turn out to be pretty inventive, and I am betting they will continue to do so in the future with him and the other characters. I prefer to let the story unfold rather than focus on this subject again as it's been discussed so many times before. Hopefully this perceived flaw in the storytelling does not hinder your enjoyment of it.

    U4ric is right, and has a great point, but I'm just gonna go ahead and say what we all want to:

    If you have a problem with it, either live with it, or??don't watch the dammed show!

    Edited on 11/04/2006 7:13pm
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    U4ric

    [27]Nov 4, 2006
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    And I disagree with that assessment that it would be better. It's just a differing opinion.??

    This issue has been discussed time and time again without resolution. Some people think one way and others think the other way. That is why I feel there is no point in the discussion.

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    gilvatar

    [29]Nov 4, 2006
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    gilvatar wrote:
    I like the non-violence but not because of the creative ways they find around it but because I HATE blood and guts and gore. (say the girl thats been stitched up every way possible. stitches, medical staples, and most recently meical glue)
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    Falcondude123

    [30]Nov 4, 2006
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    I voted "Other", because I have a different take on all of this.
    It's not so much a lack of blood that gets annoying as much a lack of seeing death happen. That sounds odd i know, but think about it.
    In LOTR, you see TONS of spears and arrows and blades being thrust into people and creatures, but how much blood do you actually see? Not much. Mostly I see an arrow fly into a man's chest (like Baromer) and poke out the other side of his body, but where is the blood and guts? Almost non-existent! Avatar could and should be like that. We can see swords killing people, but we don't need to see people bleed out all over the ground until they die. Mai and others should injure or kill but it doesn't have to be gory!
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    Eyes_Only61646

    [31]Nov 5, 2006
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    I still say that kids have been seeing blood in just about every cartoon/kids show??out there! Batman has blood; Power Rangers has blood! And we don't hardly see anyone hurt either! All we see is something bad about to happen, then the scene switches to someone watching and they wince or scream or something! Even Disney movies, which are VERY against blood and all, show a bit of blood or death!

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    LordMordor

    [32]Nov 5, 2006
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    when did power rangers ever have blood?

    anyway, I agree with falcondude.
    The best option would be to allow some of the weapons to actually hit their target, but not actually show the blood. This would largly solve the problem with Mai as with most of her projectiles there wouldn't be to much blood anyway.

    as for Zuko with his broadswords, it is still a kids show, the most I would recommend him doing is small cuts. Not even older shows had limbs being sliced off.
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    Xidena

    [33]Nov 5, 2006
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    Why can't they do what they did when Zuko got his scar? They show everything up to the point of him actually getting it, then they move on. You know what happens and that it wasn't pretty, but you don't have to see anything grotesque. Mai and Ty lee can do the same.

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    Spike815

    [34]Nov 5, 2006
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    Guys, come on some violence is needed in this show to justify half the stuff in it. Why have people carrying swords if no one will ever get cut? Heck, Mai's main form of fighting will never serve any other purpose than sticking people to trees, becuase Nick won't show any blood. Notice that the main enemies bend fire, but will never be able to burn some one on screen becuase of the rating. All of these elements are wasted becuase they can never be used without going over the rating.

    And then the whole death thing. They try to make it open ended so they can keep the rating. Then everyone thinks there still alive, argue about, and then eventually the creators come out and say yes they are dead. It would just be so much simplier if they could say in the show they died.

    So it's not necissarily make everything gory and death, but make it a little more mature. The show could greatly benifit from a more mature rating.
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    Falcondude123

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    Don't get me wrong, I love Avatar, but why did the creators not consider that they were making a show about a WAR when they rated it?
    Isn't war the cause of death? Death which rarely happens in this show. You know 24 doesn't even deal with war, just with a few bad guys and still there is death on both sides a plenty.
    Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk I guess...
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    electricblue18

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    Falcondude123 wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, I love Avatar, but why did the creators not consider that they were making a show about a WAR when they rated it?
    Isn't war the cause of death? Death which rarely happens in this show. You know 24 doesn't even deal with war, just with a few bad guys and still there is death on both sides a plenty.
    Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk I guess...

    But you HAVE to cry over spilt tea
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    PrimoNation

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    Ya know, I thought about this tonight as I watched my daughter scrap herself across the forehead with her brush (she seemed to forget that we chopped all her hair off to make it easier for gymnastics).

    THERE WAS BLOOD ONCE! Azula scratched Zuko's forehead in the episode "The Avatar State" during their fight scene. Just thought I'd share!??

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    LordMordor

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    Falcondude123 wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, I love Avatar, but why did the creators not consider that they were making a show about a WAR when they rated it?
    Isn't war the cause of death? Death which rarely happens in this show. You know 24 doesn't even deal with war, just with a few bad guys and still there is death on both sides a plenty.
    Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk I guess...


    the show was origionally aimed at a younger audience, I don't think they expected it to catch on with older age groups as much as it did.
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    tigerstalksprey

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    electricblue18 wrote:
    Falcondude123 wrote:
    Don't get me wrong, I love Avatar, but why did the creators not consider that they were making a show about a WAR when they rated it?
    Isn't war the cause of death? Death which rarely happens in this show. You know 24 doesn't even deal with war, just with a few bad guys and still there is death on both sides a plenty.
    Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk I guess...

    But you HAVE to cry over spilt tea


    hehe, great posts
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    tigerstalksprey

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    PrimoNation wrote:

    Ya know, I thought about this tonight as I watched my daughter scrap herself across the forehead with her brush (she seemed to forget that we chopped all her hair off to make it easier for gymnastics).

    THERE WAS BLOOD ONCE! Azula scratched Zuko's forehead in the episode "The Avatar State" during their fight scene. Just thought I'd share!



    OMG WHAT A REVELATION!!! that's HUGE! azula w/ the scratch good job!
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