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    nyfan

    [1]Dec 13, 2006
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    If you look at the Avatar world map, the Fire Nation is located in the west, while the Earth Kingdom is located in the east area.

    So the Americas are the Fire Nation, while Europe, Africa, Asia, and Austrilla make up the Earth Kingdom. Do you agree?

    We know the Water Tribe represents the North and South Pole. So if you live in America, we are the bad guys?

    I am not sure what area in the real world represents the Air Normaid, I guess the Native Americans.

    Edited on 12/13/2006 7:57pm
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    Inu_Rose

    [2]Dec 13, 2006
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    I wouldn't compair the fire nation to america at all. It's more based on old Japan and its wars against China. But this whole thing really is just fiction after all.
    Edited on 12/13/2006 7:58pm
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    tokyoberry

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    nyfan wrote:

    If you look at the Avatar world map, the Fire Nation is located in the west, while the Earth Kingdom is located in the east area.

    So the Americas are the Fire Nation, while Europe, Africa, Asia, and Austrilla make up the Earth Kingdom. Do you agree?

    We know the Water Tribe represents the North and South Pole. So if you live in America, we are the bad guys?

    I am not sure what area in the real world represents the Air Normaid, I guess the Native Americans.

    i did an entire blog post on this topic, so..... read it if you want.
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    Spike815

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    nyfan wrote:

    If you look at the Avatar world map, the Fire Nation is located in the west, while the Earth Kingdom is located in the east area.

    So the Americas are the Fire Nation, while Europe, Africa, Asia, and Austrilla make up the Earth Kingdom. Do you agree?

    We know the Water Tribe represents the North and South Pole. So if you live in America, we are the bad guys?

    And this would make North Koreans the good guys

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    nyfan

    [5]Dec 13, 2006
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    I am just talking about the map. That is all, I am not saying it represents the Americas as evil. The Fire Nation captial is where Washington D.C. would be.

    The North Pole and South Pole are two real places that are in the Avatar world.

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    nyfan

    [7]Dec 13, 2006
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    I looked at the Avatar map again, the Earth Kingdom looks exactly like the Eastern Hemisphere. There is nothing that is shaped like the Western Hemisphere (the Americas). There is nothing that resembles Australia.??This might be what people in the Eastern Hemisphere thought the world looked like before they found out America excisted.
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    lightningprince

    [8]Dec 13, 2006
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    The Avatar world is also flat. Anyone catch that?
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    Miroku_of_Nite1

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    Inu_Rose wrote:
    I wouldn't compair the fire nation to america at all. It's more based on old Japan and its wars against China. But this whole thing really is just fiction after all.


    Japan and China never really fought wars together other then the Sino-Japanese Wars. Unless you consider when the Mongols tried to invade Japan and lost twice.
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    ardron

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    nyfan wrote:
    I looked at the Avatar map again, the Earth Kingdom looks exactly like the Eastern Hemisphere. There is nothing that is shaped like the Western Hemisphere (the Americas). There is nothing that resembles Australia.??This might be what people in the Eastern Hemisphere thought the world looked like before they found out America excisted.

    I noticed that too.

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    This has been discussed before in the below thread:

    Jeong Jeong Speculation

    There was also another thread that was longer but I can't recall the name.

    What really has been related to the map is that if you look at the Fire Nation it is shaped like the islands of Japan which attempted to enslave the entire Asian continent at one point, for, get this - 100 years!?? Think of China and the great wall, then look again at the continent of the Earth Kingdom (then look at the islands below China).?? Think of the Nomads, Eskimos, Buddhist Monks, Siberian tribes and other parts of Asia... and viola, I think you have the makings of the Avatar World.

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    Miroku_of_Nite1

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    Japan tried to enslave Asia during WW2. Other then that and the first Sino-Japanese war, Japan never really did anything to mainland Asia, other then mess with Korea time to time.
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    nyfan

    [13]Dec 13, 2006
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    I wonder what is going to be the Fire Nation's Pearl Harber, the act that turns the war around. Attacking Pearl Harber and getting the U.S. invovled in WW2 to early for the Axis liking, was one of the biggest military blunders of all time.

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    Nalesnik

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    PrimoNation wrote:

    This has been discussed before in the below thread:

    Jeong Jeong Speculation

    There was also another thread that was longer but I can't recall the name.

    What really has been related to the map is that if you look at the Fire Nation it is shaped like the islands of Japan which attempted to enslave the entire Asian continent at one point, for, get this - 100 years!?? Think of China and the great wall, then look again at the continent of the Earth Kingdom (then look at the islands below China).?? Think of the Nomads, Eskimos, Buddhist Monks, Siberian tribes and other parts of Asia... and viola, I think you have the makings of the Avatar World.


    Yea, that's the most accurate representation of the avatar world. The shapes of the landmasses are very similar, and the whole social situation is also quite similar. The most obvious connection is the air nomads with the Buddisht monks, Tibetan monks etc. The clothing similar, they both live in temples on mountains, and their philosophies on life are almost the exact same. Both cultures wanted to live in peace, but they both were prosecuted (and still are)
    Primonation, thanks for providing the insightful and (in my opinion) the most accurate information.
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    Miroku_of_Nite1

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    nyfan wrote:

    I wonder what is going to be the Fire Nation's Pearl Harber, the act that turns the war around. Attacking Pearl Harber and getting the U.S. invovled in WW2 to early for the Axis liking, was one of the biggest military blunders of all time.


    It wasn't really a blunder for all the Axis. But as Isoroku Yamamoto said (who was played by Mako in the 2001 film Pearl harbor.) "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." A few people think we let Pearl Harbor happen, since we wanted to get into the war anyway because the New Deal wasn't working as fast and people where still out of work. And since war makes jobs, what better way to get people working then during war time? Here is some interesting info on it.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate#Controversy
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    Miroku_of_Nite1 wrote:
    Japan tried to enslave Asia during WW2. Other then that and the first Sino-Japanese war, Japan never really did anything to mainland Asia, other then mess with Korea time to time.

    You need to go back ALOT farther than WW2 (as early as the??8th century and further wars in 1600s).?? Japan at one time held domination over major portions of Asia (Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, etc...), yes with the exception of China.?? Keep in mind, some parts of what we call Japan today were??their own settlements as well.?? Which as I mentioned, parallels the show with the Earth Kingdom being the hold out.?? I'm not gonna go over wars and such, I'm just quoting history as it was explained to me by my mother who was in Japan when the bomb dropped and whose family was against the war.?? She would over her years, tell me why I was looked upon with hatred by other asians in america (my best friend in school was Korean yet her mother hated me for no other reason than that I was Japanese).?? And you can look up the history of the asian continent online to see what I am talking about... google slavery, occupation.??

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    [QUOTE="Miroku_of_Nite1"]
    nyfan wrote:

    I wonder what is going to be the Fire Nation's Pearl Harber, the act that turns the war around. Attacking Pearl Harber and getting the U.S. invovled in WW2 to early for the Axis liking, was one of the biggest military blunders of all time.
    It wasn't really a blunder for all the Axis. But as Isoroku Yamamoto said (who was played by Mako in the 2001 film Pearl harbor.) "I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." A few people think we let Pearl Harbor happen, since we wanted to get into the war anyway because the New Deal wasn't working as fast and people where still out of work. And since war makes jobs, what better way to get people working then during war time? Here is some interesting info on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate#Controversy[/QUOTE]

    I saw some history??film, when Hitler revealed his grant plan, to conquer the entire Eastern Hemisphere, (the Natzi symbol covering all of??the??world)??before ever attacking the west. Japan attacking Pearl Harber was something their two partners Germany and Italy did not support, and I am sure Germany and Italy were furous at Japan for not following the plan.

    Edited on 12/13/2006 9:23pm
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    JPJBTheking

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    lightningprince wrote:
    The Avatar world is also flat. Anyone catch that?


    Actually, to me, in the season two finale when aang was in space their world looked round like ours does in space.
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    Lord-darkboy

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    nyfan wrote:

    I wonder what is going to be the Fire Nation's Pearl Harber, the act that turns the war around. Attacking Pearl Harber and getting the U.S. invovled in WW2 to early for the Axis liking, was one of the biggest military blunders of all time.

    axis biggest blunder was attacking Russia(after??beginning th war ofcourse)??they had seen what happend to napolean when he attacked Russia axis had a truce with the Sovjets and they broke it and so they were attacked by 2 sides

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    Miroku_of_Nite1

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    Lord-darkboy wrote:
    nyfan wrote:

    I wonder what is going to be the Fire Nation's Pearl Harber, the act that turns the war around. Attacking Pearl Harber and getting the U.S. invovled in WW2 to early for the Axis liking, was one of the biggest military blunders of all time.

    axis biggest blunder was attacking Russia(after beginning th war ofcourse) they had seen what happend to napolean when he attacked Russia axis had a truce with the Sovjets and they broke it and so they were attacked by 2 sides


    Germany error there was they attacked too late in the year, and went for the wrong targets. It should have been a main push to Moscow to knock out the government then to Stalingrad/Leningrad. Germany's forces where really miss managed during the invasion of Russia.
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