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everyone needs to forgive zuko now, he SAVED the WORLD remember?

do you forgive zuko?

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    tigerstalksprey

    [1]Dec 4, 2006
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    everyone needs to forgive zuko now, he SAVED the WORLD remember?

    have you all forgotten the epic episode called "the blue spirit"? if zuko had not saved aang in the episode (albeit for selfish reasons BUT STILL), the war would have been over as we know it. so if zuko failed at that, we would not even have had a season two. forgive him already. ive mentioned this before, and i'll say it again. concerning his "betrayal", he only had like what a couple days at most to get used to his new self, (personally, i hated his new attitude, he was too much of a goody goody, it was so... uncharacteristic, but it was intentional im betting) and when he had to make this critical decision, the situation favored aligning w/ azula. i mean, zuko had azula on his side, AND the DAI LI, vs aang and katara. he was THIS CLOSE to finally getting the avatar. it would have been irrational to throw away your entire life's ambition when the outcome was heavily in your favor.

    again, zuko saved the world in the blue spirit remember? he'll probably redeem himself eventually, but ppl shudnt be hating in the first place. if u wanna hate anyone hate azula
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    mblizzow

    [2]Dec 4, 2006
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    never had anything against zuko... the happy boy in the tea shop wouldnt have lasted long anyway...he needs to find middle ground, between tea shop and fugetive. but u gotta admit that when he joined with azula, even though it was the smartest thing for him to do at the time, was a "i cant believe u did that!!!" *while beating ur head against the wall* kinda moment.
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    firedragonx

    [4]Dec 4, 2006
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    actually, zuko DIDNT save the world.
    2 alternatives:
    1) when aang runs to the room appa was kept, he sees that someone has already freed Appa. Therefore, he would've saved appa himself, regardless of Appa. However, Zuko would still be confused in this episode, but he probably would not join Azula.
    2) say aang doesnt save appa. then aang and his friends would still stay in the Earth kingdom, helping the king and searching for appa. Therefore, they could've been able to stop Azula before she was able to manipulate the Dai Lee or w/e. In this sense, Zuko made matters worse, but alternative 1 is probably more likely.
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    Katara193

    [7]Dec 4, 2006
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    tigerstalksprey wrote:
    everyone needs to forgive zuko now, he SAVED the WORLD remember?

    have you all forgotten the epic episode called "the blue spirit"? if zuko had not saved aang in the episode (albeit for selfish reasons BUT STILL), the war would have been over as we know it. so if zuko failed at that, we would not even have had a season two. forgive him already. ive mentioned this before, and i'll say it again. concerning his "betrayal", he only had like what a couple days at most to get used to his new self, (personally, i hated his new attitude, he was too much of a goody goody, it was so... uncharacteristic, but it was intentional im betting) and when he had to make this critical decision, the situation favored aligning w/ azula. i mean, zuko had azula on his side, AND the DAI LI, vs aang and katara. he was THIS CLOSE to finally getting the avatar. it would have been irrational to throw away your entire life's ambition when the outcome was heavily in your favor.

    again, zuko saved the world in the blue spirit remember? he'll probably redeem himself eventually, but ppl shudnt be hating in the first place. if u wanna hate anyone hate azula

    i wish i could agree with you but seriousely, who's side are you on anyways?

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    wibadgers

    [8]Dec 4, 2006
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    i have never had anything against zuko, i just always saw him as a being guided in the wrong direction by others and good deep down. Throughout the series zuko is his own worst enemy, but at least he has worked throught his problems and will do the right thing in the end.
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    tigerstalksprey

    [9]Dec 4, 2006
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    Katara193 wrote:

    tigerstalksprey wrote:
    everyone needs to forgive zuko now, he SAVED the WORLD remember?

    have you all forgotten the epic episode called "the blue spirit"? if zuko had not saved aang in the episode (albeit for selfish reasons BUT STILL), the war would have been over as we know it. so if zuko failed at that, we would not even have had a season two. forgive him already. ive mentioned this before, and i'll say it again. concerning his "betrayal", he only had like what a couple days at most to get used to his new self, (personally, i hated his new attitude, he was too much of a goody goody, it was so... uncharacteristic, but it was intentional im betting) and when he had to make this critical decision, the situation favored aligning w/ azula. i mean, zuko had azula on his side, AND the DAI LI, vs aang and katara. he was THIS CLOSE to finally getting the avatar. it would have been irrational to throw away your entire life's ambition when the outcome was heavily in your favor.

    again, zuko saved the world in the blue spirit remember? he'll probably redeem himself eventually, but ppl shudnt be hating in the first place. if u wanna hate anyone hate azula

    i wish i could agree with you but seriousely, who's side are you on anyways?



    WHAT!? cmon i'm on the avatar's side OBVIOUSLY, how could anyone not be (minus most of the FN) that is. I'm just defending Zuko, and justifying his actions because I feel for his character. I believe in Zuko, I believe that he will eventually side w/ the avatar.
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    Eman5805

    [10]Dec 4, 2006
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    I don't hold anything against Zuko. Zuko is still Fire Nation after all. He was born there, you couldn't get me to forsake my family here in New Orleans this is my home. Somehow Zuko had to return back there, one way or another. Zuko's destiny does lie in the Fire Nation, but he doesn't know how yet.
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    tigerstalksprey

    [11]Dec 4, 2006
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    firedragonx wrote:
    actually, zuko DIDNT save the world.
    2 alternatives:
    1) when aang runs to the room appa was kept, he sees that someone has already freed Appa. Therefore, he would've saved appa himself, regardless of Appa. However, Zuko would still be confused in this episode, but he probably would not join Azula.
    2) say aang doesnt save appa. then aang and his friends would still stay in the Earth kingdom, helping the king and searching for appa. Therefore, they could've been able to stop Azula before she was able to manipulate the Dai Lee or w/e. In this sense, Zuko made matters worse, but alternative 1 is probably more likely.


    uh what the? dude i'm talking about "the blue spirit" NOT "lake laogai." You have to admit that Zuko helped the avatar a great deal in freeing Appa though, the Dai Li and Long Feng had the gaang completely surrounded (dont get me wrong, i doubt the Dai Li woulduve defeated them anyway) but Zuko letting Appa go allowed Appa to pwn them all in one fell swoop, AND APPA BIT LONG FENG, which was used as evidence against him in "the earth king", oooh zuko (indirectly) saved the WORLD again! or helped the gaang convince the earth king that is
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    Teranef

    [12]Dec 4, 2006
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    For me, Zuko's "betrayal" was not a "head-banging" moment. When Zuko was choosing whether to fire-blast Azula or Aang I honestly didn't know which he would choose because I knew it could go either way, but it didn't matter to me, because I knew that either way, it'd be exciting, and it was.

    I see the show and it's creators in a similar way christians see the world and God. I can't really decide what should and shouldn't happen because I don't know what's planned. I trust the show creators that, no matter the bumps, hills, and dips along the way, everything will turn out awesome in the end, just as when you're riding a roller coaster, despite all the twists, turns, loops, and drops you know that it's all pre-planned (by the track) and it will end alright.

    I don't even hate Azula. She's damn good at being exactly what she's supposed to be; a villain, there for she's a damn good character. I think she rocks. How many sadistic, evil, victimizing princesses are there in the world of fiction? Mostly they're wimpy victims that need to be saved, but with Azula, she makes people need somebody to save THEM. It's great!
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    Kaltharion

    [13]Dec 4, 2006
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    In the episode "The Blue Spirit" Zuko did not mean to save aang from Zhao... He meant to STEAL aang from Zhao so that he can get his honor back.
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    RoxieFox

    [14]Dec 4, 2006
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    Agreed, Zuko will eventually side with the Avatar
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    misterham

    [15]Dec 4, 2006
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    firedragonx wrote:
    actually, zuko DIDNT save the world.
    2 alternatives:
    1) when aang runs to the room appa was kept, he sees that someone has already freed Appa. Therefore, he would've saved appa himself, regardless of Appa. However, Zuko would still be confused in this episode, but he probably would not join Azula.

    aang didn't go to the room where appa was kept. it was a completely different one. what made you think that?
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    Dragon_Of_West

    [16]Dec 4, 2006
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    Really, I think Zuko is hugely overrated. He has potential to be a great villain. But fighting with the avatar team - I can but shrug about it. Even with such odds as Zuko, Azula and 50-100 Dai Li, the hero and heroine managed to survive. Now, why did that happen ? Because, the writers wanted it so. No other reason. Zuko has chosen the fire nation side as per the writers. I take their word for it.

    And if u want to really identify with the characters by going beyond what the writers portrayed - this is what I see. I see Zuko as someone who wants his father's approval beyond everything. His father on the other hand cares nothing about him. He repeatedly tries to prove himself to his father - even if it is not morally right to pursue his course. He has a great teacher and father figure in Iroh - who manages to prompt him to consider the good side. But Zuko is so easily pursuaded to fight with Azula, because he essentially does not care about doing the "RIGHT" thing. He cares more about his father's approval and restoring his honor (also his rightful place as prince). So, if his father accepts him, he is the villain - set in stone. If he does not get accepted, he is back to square one. Easily manipulatable, because he still yearns for all the things described above - and also because he does not care about doing the right thing.

    So, would Aang be better off with such a person at his side ? I think probably not - and based on the last episode, the writers think so too, I guess.
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    ardron

    [17]Dec 4, 2006
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    Dragon_Of_West wrote:
    Really, I think Zuko is hugely overrated. He has potential to be a great villain. But fighting with the avatar team - I can but shrug about it. Even with such odds as Zuko, Azula and 50-100 Dai Li, the hero and heroine managed to survive. Now, why did that happen ? Because, the writers wanted it so. No other reason. Zuko has chosen the fire nation side as per the writers. I take their word for it. And if u want to really identify with the characters by going beyond what the writers portrayed - this is what I see. I see Zuko as someone who wants his father's approval beyond everything. His father on the other hand cares nothing about him. He repeatedly tries to prove himself to his father - even if it is not morally right to pursue his course. He has a great teacher and father figure in Iroh - who manages to prompt him to consider the good side. But Zuko is so easily pursuaded to fight with Azula, because he essentially does not care about doing the "RIGHT" thing. He cares more about his father's approval and restoring his honor (also his rightful place as prince). So, if his father accepts him, he is the villain - set in stone. If he does not get accepted, he is back to square one. Easily manipulatable, because he still yearns for all the things described above - and also because he does not care about doing the right thing. So, would Aang be better off with such a person at his side ? I think probably not - and based on the last episode, the writers think so too, I guess.

    Mabey YOU are overrated.

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    F1ames

    [18]Dec 4, 2006
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    zuko as the blue spirit didnt save aang with the intention of saving the world, but for the intention of saving his own honor as the fire nation prince. just wanted to point that out but do forgive zuko cause i believe that his betrayal was a plan to take down azula.
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    Neurosylum

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    Actually, anything close to Zuko saving the world is either by his uncle's probing or by accident...
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    tigerstalksprey

    [20]Dec 4, 2006
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    Kaltharion wrote:
    In the episode "The Blue Spirit" Zuko did not mean to save aang from Zhao... He meant to STEAL aang from Zhao so that he can get his honor back.


    I know, I didnt overlook that. thats why i mentioned he did it for selfish reasons, but he still indirectly saved the world my rescuing aang.
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