Avatar: The Last Airbender: everyone needs to forgive zuko now, he SAVED the WORLD remember?

do you forgive zuko?

PrincessAura
[21]Dec 4, 2006
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I never hated Zuko, this has been what he's been fighting for for 3 years and yet somehow many people expected him to give it up after only two months as a fugitive. It would have been illogical, character-wise, for him to not side with Azula in that fight. And here's what I think will happen, assuming everything was as we saw it in the finale regarding his character, I think Ozai will accept him and restore his honor. He won't be firelord obviously since Ozai is still alive, but he will be welcomed ack for having helped take down Ba Sing Se. Tehn, once Zuko has everything he's wanted for so long, he'll realize that Iroh's love is a much better thing to have. I don't know if it will take something dramatic to shake him out of it or if it will be gradual (I'm hoping for gradual since it would be a little more interesting) but I'm thinking that whatever goes down (assuming nothing happens to Iroh) that Zuko will make him Firelord instead, once he realizes that it's not what he truly needs (or wants once he's gotten it).
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ardron
[22]Dec 4, 2006
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I don't care what Zuko does. He still is awesome. I like the unexpected.
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redgarlic68
[23]Dec 5, 2006
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I can't hate them because the main reason I would have to do such a thing is that the had betrayed his beloved uncle... but he didn't. Don't mistake me, what I mean is that at the moment of the fight he thought that it was a simple choice: Aang or Azula. He didn't think things through. It was only when he saw Iroh being captured that he realized what he had really done. I also expect him not to go to the fire nation and daddy right away, but to leave Azula's side in BSS, and go to the FN searching for his mother.
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Dragon_Of_West

[24]Dec 5, 2006

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ardron wrote:

Dragon_Of_West wrote:

Really, I think Zuko is hugely overrated. He has potential to be a great villain. But fighting with the avatar team - I can but shrug about it. Even with such odds as Zuko, Azula and 50-100 Dai Li, the hero and heroine managed to survive. Now, why did that happen ? Because, the writers wanted it so. No other reason. Zuko has chosen the fire nation side as per the writers. I take their word for it. And if u want to really identify with the characters by going beyond what the writers portrayed - this is what I see. I see Zuko as someone who wants his father's approval beyond everything. His father on the other hand cares nothing about him. He repeatedly tries to prove himself to his father - even if it is not morally right to pursue his course. He has a great teacher and father figure in Iroh - who manages to prompt him to consider the good side. But Zuko is so easily pursuaded to fight with Azula, because he essentially does not care about doing the "RIGHT" thing. He cares more about his father's approval and restoring his honor (also his rightful place as prince). So, if his father accepts him, he is the villain - set in stone. If he does not get accepted, he is back to square one. Easily manipulatable, because he still yearns for all the things described above - and also because he does not care about doing the right thing. So, would Aang be better off with such a person at his side ? I think probably not - and based on the last episode, the writers think so too, I guess.

Mabey YOU are overrated.

That was pretty childish. Not much of a point attacking a person, when
they are saying something that is represented very often in the
episodes, even if you do not like it. Unless you have anything productive to contribute with the facts or possibilities that I posted, I guess I will have to just ignore you.

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ardron

[25]Dec 5, 2006

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Dragon_Of_West wrote:

ardron wrote:

Dragon_Of_West wrote:

Really, I think Zuko is hugely overrated. He has potential to be a great villain. But fighting with the avatar team - I can but shrug about it. Even with such odds as Zuko, Azula and 50-100 Dai Li, the hero and heroine managed to survive. Now, why did that happen ? Because, the writers wanted it so. No other reason. Zuko has chosen the fire nation side as per the writers. I take their word for it. And if u want to really identify with the characters by going beyond what the writers portrayed - this is what I see. I see Zuko as someone who wants his father's approval beyond everything. His father on the other hand cares nothing about him. He repeatedly tries to prove himself to his father - even if it is not morally right to pursue his course. He has a great teacher and father figure in Iroh - who manages to prompt him to consider the good side. But Zuko is so easily pursuaded to fight with Azula, because he essentially does not care about doing the "RIGHT" thing. He cares more about his father's approval and restoring his honor (also his rightful place as prince). So, if his father accepts him, he is the villain - set in stone. If he does not get accepted, he is back to square one. Easily manipulatable, because he still yearns for all the things described above - and also because he does not care about doing the right thing. So, would Aang be better off with such a person at his side ? I think probably not - and based on the last episode, the writers think so too, I guess.

Mabey YOU are overrated.

That was pretty childish. Not much of a point attacking a person, when they are saying something that is represented very often in the episodes, even if you do not like it. Unless you have anything productive to contribute with the facts or possibilities that I posted, I guess I will have to just ignore you.

I didn't mean it anyway. I was in a childish mood when I wrote that. I just like to see Zuko firebend, I don't care what he chooses.

Edited on 12/05/2006 7:29am

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Dragon_Of_West

[26]Dec 5, 2006

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ardron wrote:

Dragon_Of_West wrote:

ardron wrote:

Dragon_Of_West wrote:

Really, I think Zuko is hugely overrated. He has potential to be a great villain. But fighting with the avatar team - I can but shrug about it. Even with such odds as Zuko, Azula and 50-100 Dai Li, the hero and heroine managed to survive. Now, why did that happen ? Because, the writers wanted it so. No other reason. Zuko has chosen the fire nation side as per the writers. I take their word for it.

And if u want to really identify with the characters by going beyond what the writers portrayed - this is what I see. I see Zuko as someone who wants his father's approval beyond everything. His father on the other hand cares nothing about him. He repeatedly tries to prove himself to his father - even if it is not morally right to pursue his course. He has a great teacher and father figure in Iroh - who manages to prompt him to consider the good side. But Zuko is so easily pursuaded to fight with Azula, because he essentially does not care about doing the "RIGHT" thing. He cares more about his father's approval and restoring his honor (also his rightful place as prince). So, if his father accepts him, he is the villain - set in stone. If he does not get accepted, he is back to square one. Easily manipulatable, because he still yearns for all the things described above - and also because he does not care about doing the right thing. So, would Aang be better off with such a person at his side ? I think probably not - and based on the last episode, the writers think so too, I guess.

Mabey YOU are overrated.

That was pretty childish. Not much of a point attacking a person, when they are saying something that is represented very often in the episodes, even if you do not like it. Unless you have anything productive to contribute with the facts or possibilities that I posted, I guess I will have to just ignore you.

I didn't mean it anyway. I was in a childish mood when I wrote that. I just like to see Zuko firebend, I don't care what he chooses.

No problem :-) I like Zuko too. Like his role till now as an anti-hero. Was a bit surprised by his choice - but I think that is because his choice was not shown before in "The Earth King". Just that he has to choose one of his 2 voices. He chose for his honor/father's acceptance. He has still not quite started thinking about doing what is right.

Either ways, I think he will make a fascinating character. Not much into hating any character, as they are just portraying what the writers want them to.

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everyone needs to forgive zuko now, he SAVED the WORLD remember?

do you forgive zuko?

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