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End of the Series - Why there shouldn't be a 4th season (Possible spoilers)

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    Datruth112

    [1]Aug 2, 2008
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    Maintaining the Integrity of a story

    Before we begin i'd just like to mention a name: Harry potter.

    Why do i mention that, especially in an avatar thread and forum?

    Here's why:

    Harry potter and a number of other amazing series taught us one thing, that good stories have to end sooner or later. Why do good stories have to end? Because if you want to maintain the spirit of a story, not go off tangent, and you want the story to remain amazing, you cannot keep it going forever.

    It seems with avatar, the creators decided to end it at a certain point. Imagine now, trying to continue a story that they've ended with no purpose and no aim, where would this new story lead? What would we gain from it? Would a purposeless story help the avatar series?

    What i'm trying to say is simple, we all want one thing in this forum, to have a great story, and maintain it's integrity.


    Asking for a new season is simple, but what we really want is the enjoyment we had in the first three seasons. The truth is though, we'll never have that again because those days are gone and that chapter is finished.

    The writers had a purpose then, a story and a path, an aim, a message, a voice calling to them.

    That's why it succeeded, that's why we loved it.

    The voice is gone now, having given everything it had, having created the path for much enjoyment, it left. In some stories it stays for 10 seasons, in others just 2 or 3.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Closing the book

    What i've learned from the many stories i've read, from the thousands of adventures i've been in, from the amazing twists and turns i've wound through, is that eventually the story has to end.

    It ends because there was a reason it started, a purpose, an aim, a trouble, and when that trouble is solved, when their aim is fulfilled, then their chapter in my life finishes because they are complete.

    We all want the same thing, to feel how we felt during those first 3 seasons, to make avatar have a purpose again, to destroy the world so he can save it.

    But sooner or later, he either succeeds or he fails, and on that day we end the story.

    The story has ended, in my opinion it was in a good way(though i do have some critiques), to ask for another season would mean to destroy the integrity of the avatar.

    Lets keep the integrity of Avatar intact, lets let his story ring true for many other generations to love, and lets not currupt the gift we've been given by trying to stretch it too thin.

    My only advice now is to find a new adventure, there are many awaiting, and i am reading one now.

    The next adventure is the only solace to having finished the last. Trying to stretch the last one after it has finished, will inevtiably destroy it's soul.

    Avatar will live forever, lets let it live as a perfect story of amazement and success, lets not destroy it because of our greed.

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    Dafoose

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    I have to admit, your thread is waay organized, and I like that. That is how all threads should be started. THoughtfully and carefully. And thanks for giving us a piece of mind about avatar right there.

    You get my seal of approval.

    Edited on 08/02/2008 9:22pm
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    edmasterchaos

    [3]Aug 2, 2008
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    The Creators stated that the end of season 3 was the end of the series, they won't continue it.

    Please read other threads and posts before making threads
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    Dafoose

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    edmasterchaos wrote:
    The Creators stated that the end of season 3 was the end of the series, they won't continue it.

    Please read other threads and posts before making threads

    No man, his thread is different. It would be a shame to close this guy's thread anyway ed. Besides, he's not talking about book four like the other threads are, even though he only has, like, 9 posts. Which is pretty noobular, but thats ok.
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    Datruth112

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    I understand edmasterchaos.

    My thread was about helping people accept the end.

    A lot of people want it to continue, even though they know it's finished.

    This is a way for closure, and possible help in the future if they face the same challenge.

    I've faced it lots of times myself, and yea i'm a forum noob lol i don't post much unless i'm inspired.
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    pc_fan03

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    Datruth112 wrote:

    Maintaining the Integrity of a story

    Before we begin i'd just like to mention a name: Harry potter.

    Why do i mention that, especially in an avatar thread and forum?

    Here's why:

    Harry potter and a number of other amazing series taught us one thing, that good stories have to end sooner or later. Why do good stories have to end? Because if you want to maintain the spirit of a story, not go off tangent, and you want the story to remain amazing, you cannot keep it going forever.

    It seems with avatar, the creators decided to end it at a certain point. Imagine now, trying to continue a story that they've ended with no purpose and no aim, where would this new story lead? What would we gain from it? Would a purposeless story help the avatar series?

    What i'm trying to say is simple, we all want one thing in this forum, to have a great story, and maintain it's integrity.


    Asking for a new season is simple, but what we really want is the enjoyment we had in the first three seasons. The truth is though, we'll never have that again because those days are gone and that chapter is finished.

    The writers had a purpose then, a story and a path, an aim, a message, a voice calling to them.

    That's why it succeeded, that's why we loved it.

    The voice is gone now, having given everything it had, having created the path for much enjoyment, it left. In some stories it stays for 10 seasons, in others just 2 or 3.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Closing the book

    What i've learned from the many stories i've read, from the thousands of adventures i've been in, from the amazing twists and turns i've wound through, is that eventually the story has to end.

    It ends because there was a reason it started, a purpose, an aim, a trouble, and when that trouble is solved, when their aim is fulfilled, then their chapter in my life finishes because they are complete.

    We all want the same thing, to feel how we felt during those first 3 seasons, to make avatar have a purpose again, to destroy the world so he can save it.

    But sooner or later, he either succeeds or he fails, and on that day we end the story.

    The story has ended, in my opinion it was in a good way(though i do have some critiques), to ask for another season would mean to destroy the integrity of the avatar.

    Lets keep the integrity of Avatar intact, lets let his story ring true for many other generations to love, and lets not currupt the gift we've been given by trying to stretch it too thin.

    My only advice now is to find a new adventure, there are many awaiting, and i am reading one now.

    The next adventure is the only solace to having finished the last. Trying to stretch the last one after it has finished, will inevtiably destroy it's soul.

    Avatar will live forever, lets let it live as a perfect story of amazement and success, lets not destroy it because of our greed.

    QFT, if Avatar continued it would be remembered as one of the many shows that just keep going after it's prime.
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    Axrendale

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    That was an amazing post of epic win.

    And yet I must disagree with it.

    Why? I too would like to mention a name: Star Wars.

    When I say Star Wars, please note that I am not talking about the Prequel trilogy (episodes 1, 2, and 3). Those special effects extravaganzas were living proof of what you just wrote. No I am actually refering to almost 100 full blown novels that continue the story of the Galaxy Far, Far, Away.The thing about these books is that more often than not the original charcters are not the main characters. They appear occaisonally, but they are never again the heroes of the story. It should be noted that about half of these books are terrible. But the others are excellent stories; tales of new charcters on new adventures in a familiar universe that enabled the more dedicated Star Wars fans (like myself) to relive the fandom all over again.

    And now it is time to mention another name; The Lord of the Rings.

    In the case of the Lord of the Rings, I speak of the Silmarilion. An intimidating novel of epic proportions it is numbered as one of the greatest pieces of english literature of all time. The LOTR fan who conquers the Silmarilion (as I have done) will understand the true meaning of continuing to explore a universe.

    So I must agree, and yet at the same time disagree with you. What you said is right when applied to the fact that the story of Aang, Zuko, and all their friends has ended and must now come to a close in order to maintain its integrity. But I speak with experience when I say that it is more than possible to achieve a wonderous result in continuing to explore a known world from a different viewpoint. As long as a new Avatar series has a different storyline, I have faith that Bryke, the geniuses who created this world, are more than capable of summoning up new life within it.

    Edited on 08/02/2008 9:49pm
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    MomoAmbassador

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    pc_fan03 wrote:
    Datruth112 wrote:

    Maintaining the Integrity of a story

    Before we begin i'd just like to mention a name: Harry potter.

    Why do i mention that, especially in an avatar thread and forum?

    Here's why:

    Harry potter and a number of other amazing series taught us one thing, that good stories have to end sooner or later. Why do good stories have to end? Because if you want to maintain the spirit of a story, not go off tangent, and you want the story to remain amazing, you cannot keep it going forever.

    It seems with avatar, the creators decided to end it at a certain point. Imagine now, trying to continue a story that they've ended with no purpose and no aim, where would this new story lead? What would we gain from it? Would a purposeless story help the avatar series?

    What i'm trying to say is simple, we all want one thing in this forum, to have a great story, and maintain it's integrity.


    Asking for a new season is simple, but what we really want is the enjoyment we had in the first three seasons. The truth is though, we'll never have that again because those days are gone and that chapter is finished.

    The writers had a purpose then, a story and a path, an aim, a message, a voice calling to them.

    That's why it succeeded, that's why we loved it.

    The voice is gone now, having given everything it had, having created the path for much enjoyment, it left. In some stories it stays for 10 seasons, in others just 2 or 3.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Closing the book

    What i've learned from the many stories i've read, from the thousands of adventures i've been in, from the amazing twists and turns i've wound through, is that eventually the story has to end.

    It ends because there was a reason it started, a purpose, an aim, a trouble, and when that trouble is solved, when their aim is fulfilled, then their chapter in my life finishes because they are complete.

    We all want the same thing, to feel how we felt during those first 3 seasons, to make avatar have a purpose again, to destroy the world so he can save it.

    But sooner or later, he either succeeds or he fails, and on that day we end the story.

    The story has ended, in my opinion it was in a good way(though i do have some critiques), to ask for another season would mean to destroy the integrity of the avatar.

    Lets keep the integrity of Avatar intact, lets let his story ring true for many other generations to love, and lets not currupt the gift we've been given by trying to stretch it too thin.

    My only advice now is to find a new adventure, there are many awaiting, and i am reading one now.

    The next adventure is the only solace to having finished the last. Trying to stretch the last one after it has finished, will inevtiably destroy it's soul.

    Avatar will live forever, lets let it live as a perfect story of amazement and success, lets not destroy it because of our greed.

    QFT, if Avatar continued it would be remembered as one of the many shows that just keep going after it's prime.

    coughspongebobcoughpokemoncough

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    Dafoose

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    Axrendale wrote:

    That was an amazing post of epic win.

    And yet I must disagree with it.

    Why? I too would like to mention a name: Star Wars.

    When I say Star Wars, please note that I am not talking about the Prequel trilogy (episodes 1, 2, and 3). Those special effects extravaganzas were living proof of what you just wrote. No I am actually refering to almost 100 full blown novels that continue the story of the Galaxy Far, Far, Away.The thing about these books is that more often than not the original charcters are not the main characters. They appear occaisonally, but they are never again the heroes of the story. It should be noted that about half of these books are terrible. But the other are excellent stories; tales of new charcters on new adventures in a familiar universe that enabled the more dedicated Star Wars fans (like myself) to relive the fandom all over again.

    And now it is time to mention another name; The Lord of the Rings.

    In the case of the Lord of the Rings, I speak of the Silmarilion. An intimidating novel of epic proportions it is numbered among one of the greatest pieces of english literature of all time. The LOTR fan who conquers the Silmarilion (as I have done) will understand the true meaning of continuing to explore a universe.

    So I must agree, and yet at the same time disagree with you. What you said is right when applied to the fact that the story Aang, Zuko, and all their friends has ended and must now come to a close in order to maintain its integrity. But I speak with experience when I say that it is more than possible to achieve a wonderous result in continuing to explore a known world from a different viewpoint. As long as a new Avatar series has a different storyline, I have faith that Bryke, the geniuses who created this world, are more than capable of summoning up new life within it.

    I'm with him on this one, but that doesn't mean you aren't a good poster. I would actually rather have all the other posts from all the other threads with "Book 4" mushed into this one, but that's likely not going to happen.

    And like lord of the rings, it will also be made into a movie the same way. FYI, they're going to film it all at once. XD

    But actually, I agree with you. There shouldn't be a season four. I don't know if others around here understand, or I'm just really sleepy out of my wits, and tired because I woke up at four AM, but you know...

    Ok, I just noticed something. The other people posting in this forum didn't even read the title or your explaination.

    Like he said, this is a closure thread. It's meant to give his point of view on why it ended with out a book four. READ PEOPLE DON"T JUST POST. ED....did you read?

    Edited on 08/02/2008 9:41pm
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    Datruth112

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    Axrendale makes a great point.

    You could continue the world, while letting the story rest. I've read elsewhere that people have been pushing for a new story 100 or 1,000 years after aang and a new avatar with a new purpose.

    This is very possible, and it has been done successfully in the past.

    There is some risk though, if this new endeavor fails, it will mark the name of the original avatar, and will thereby lower it's quality.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Imagine they continued the story and it turned out horribly, or conflicted with the original somehow.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If they do it correctly though, we'll have our next great story.

    I personally wouldn't risk it, if it were my story, but then again it's not my story and the writers may have much more talent than i give them credit for.

    Edited on 08/02/2008 9:40pm
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    edmasterchaos

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    You do have a very organized thread, and it's epic win.
    It's not needed, but still, it's awesome

    Hope to see you around here, it will be interesting to hear your point of view about other things
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    Axrendale

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    Datruth112 wrote:

    Axrendale makes a great point.

    You could continue the world, while letting the story rest. I've read elsewhere that people have been pushing for a new story 100 or 1,000 years after aang and a new avatar with a new purpose.

    This is very possible, and it has been done successfully in the past.

    There is some risk though, if this new endeavor fails, it will mark the name of the original avatar, and will thereby lower it's quality.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Imagine they continued the story and it turned out horribly, or conflicted with the original somehow.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    If they do it correctly though, we'll have our next great story.

    I personally wouldn't risk it, if it were my story, but then again it's not my story and the writers may have much more talent than i give them credit for.

    It's true, there is certainly a risk, but when the risk pays off, it's worth it. The reason that the Star Wars novels were such a success, I feel, was because most of the really good ones were written by the fans of the original trilogy who determined not to let Star Wars finish on a note like that, and took the universe in a new direction, a better direction. So ironically, the faliure of continuing the storyline (like you described above), was actually what inspired disappointed fans to stand up and do their part to restore the good name of Star Wars.

    So yes, it's a gamble, but I maintain that the results of your gamble paying off are worth the risk.

    Personally, I think that Bryke have proved that they can do it. How did they do this? By making it clear that they never, ever allow the fans to influence them *coughzutaracough*. It shows that they are not in this to please the fans (although they no doubt hope that their fans are happy) - they are in this because they have a story to tell, a story about a world that they created and that they love, and that is what you really need to make a continuation work. Talent is certainly necessary, but passion is far, far more important.

    Bryke have stated that they're not going to be doing any major new avatar projects for a while - in the mean time they will be working on the upcoming live action movies (which could well turn out to be epic and be just as good as a continuation of the series). After that, who knows? All I know is that after the work of art that they created in the original series, I personally am willing to trust that whatever they decide, it will be the best thing for the series.

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    Datruth, your a mad crazy genius.
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    Axrendale

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    Dafoose wrote:
    Axrendale wrote:

    That was an amazing post of epic win.

    And yet I must disagree with it.

    Why? I too would like to mention a name: Star Wars.

    When I say Star Wars, please note that I am not talking about the Prequel trilogy (episodes 1, 2, and 3). Those special effects extravaganzas were living proof of what you just wrote. No I am actually refering to almost 100 full blown novels that continue the story of the Galaxy Far, Far, Away.The thing about these books is that more often than not the original charcters are not the main characters. They appear occaisonally, but they are never again the heroes of the story. It should be noted that about half of these books are terrible. But the other are excellent stories; tales of new charcters on new adventures in a familiar universe that enabled the more dedicated Star Wars fans (like myself) to relive the fandom all over again.

    And now it is time to mention another name; The Lord of the Rings.

    In the case of the Lord of the Rings, I speak of the Silmarilion. An intimidating novel of epic proportions it is numbered among one of the greatest pieces of english literature of all time. The LOTR fan who conquers the Silmarilion (as I have done) will understand the true meaning of continuing to explore a universe.

    So I must agree, and yet at the same time disagree with you. What you said is right when applied to the fact that the story Aang, Zuko, and all their friends has ended and must now come to a close in order to maintain its integrity. But I speak with experience when I say that it is more than possible to achieve a wonderous result in continuing to explore a known world from a different viewpoint. As long as a new Avatar series has a different storyline, I have faith that Bryke, the geniuses who created this world, are more than capable of summoning up new life within it.

    I'm with him on this one, but that doesn't mean you aren't a good poster. I would actually rather have all the other posts from all the other threads with "Book 4" mushed into this one, but that's likely not going to happen.

    And like lord of the rings, it will also be made into a movie the same way. FYI, they're going to film it all at once. XD

    But actually, I agree with you. There shouldn't be a season four. I don't know if others around here understand, or I'm just really sleepy out of my wits, and tired because I woke up at four AM, but you know...

    Ok, I just noticed something. The other people posting in this forum didn't even read the title or your explaination.

    Like he said, this is a closure thread. It's meant to give his point of view on why it ended with out a book four. READ PEOPLE DON"T JUST POST. ED....did you read?

    I think I understand you. You agree with Datruth (and me, incidently), that there should be no book four or any other continuation of the gaang's adventures, but you're also willing to give a new series with new main charcters a chance, provided by Bryke have maintained their past level of awsomeness with it.

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    Dafoose

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    Ooo, nice way of putting that.
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    I still caution against a new series in that it may risk the status of the current avatar we have.

    But what they might do is hint at a new series or start part of the plot in the new avatar movie.

    Basically they've already finished the show on television and have no way of starting the plot through that. The only other choice they have is to insert a new plot somehow at the end of the movie. And if the movie does well and people like the plot enough they then can transfer it back over to television and start a new plot 100 or 1000 years after aang.

    Again though, it would be a huge risk, i would not want it done, and if it is done i hope it goes well.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~

    But yea if the new plot isn't mentioned in the movie, then that most likely means we need to lay to rest the avatar world like we have the characters and their stories.

    I've come to terms with both, being forced to in the past with other stories and other characters.

    But i tell you, it never gets easier, even if you have done it before, and the only solace is just to find a new adventure to try and fill your now hollow heart.

    Edited on 08/03/2008 3:23pm
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    Stories need to end! Soap operas go on forever.
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    MomoAmbassador wrote:
    pc_fan03 wrote:
    Datruth112 wrote:

    Maintaining the Integrity of a story

    Before we begin i'd just like to mention a name: Harry potter.

    Why do i mention that, especially in an avatar thread and forum?

    Here's why:

    Harry potter and a number of other amazing series taught us one thing, that good stories have to end sooner or later. Why do good stories have to end? Because if you want to maintain the spirit of a story, not go off tangent, and you want the story to remain amazing, you cannot keep it going forever.

    It seems with avatar, the creators decided to end it at a certain point. Imagine now, trying to continue a story that they've ended with no purpose and no aim, where would this new story lead? What would we gain from it? Would a purposeless story help the avatar series?

    What i'm trying to say is simple, we all want one thing in this forum, to have a great story, and maintain it's integrity.


    Asking for a new season is simple, but what we really want is the enjoyment we had in the first three seasons. The truth is though, we'll never have that again because those days are gone and that chapter is finished.

    The writers had a purpose then, a story and a path, an aim, a message, a voice calling to them.

    That's why it succeeded, that's why we loved it.

    The voice is gone now, having given everything it had, having created the path for much enjoyment, it left. In some stories it stays for 10 seasons, in others just 2 or 3.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Closing the book

    What i've learned from the many stories i've read, from the thousands of adventures i've been in, from the amazing twists and turns i've wound through, is that eventually the story has to end.

    It ends because there was a reason it started, a purpose, an aim, a trouble, and when that trouble is solved, when their aim is fulfilled, then their chapter in my life finishes because they are complete.

    We all want the same thing, to feel how we felt during those first 3 seasons, to make avatar have a purpose again, to destroy the world so he can save it.

    But sooner or later, he either succeeds or he fails, and on that day we end the story.

    The story has ended, in my opinion it was in a good way(though i do have some critiques), to ask for another season would mean to destroy the integrity of the avatar.

    Lets keep the integrity of Avatar intact, lets let his story ring true for many other generations to love, and lets not currupt the gift we've been given by trying to stretch it too thin.

    My only advice now is to find a new adventure, there are many awaiting, and i am reading one now.

    The next adventure is the only solace to having finished the last. Trying to stretch the last one after it has finished, will inevtiably destroy it's soul.

    Avatar will live forever, lets let it live as a perfect story of amazement and success, lets not destroy it because of our greed.

    QFT, if Avatar continued it would be remembered as one of the many shows that just keep going after it's prime.

    coughspongebobcoughpokemoncough



    not spongebob, but Pokemon I agree with you.
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    I'll be back shortly - I've got a massive post brewing about why Avatar could continue in a respectsable manner, but it's not quite ready yet.
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    I wholeheartedly agree, there shouldn't be a 4th season of Avatar. There should be a 1st season of a whole new Avatar. Time for the torch to get passed and carried on by a new generation of characters. Start fresh and tell a whole new story within the same universe. What's the point of having a deep universe with all kinds of potential stories to be told, and get stuck on the first like nothing else can be as good?
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