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The problem with that, is that you stuck with that idea. You cant imagine anyone changing from being a bad person, into a good one. |
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| avrurakinninami wrote: | ||||||||||
The problem with that, is that you stuck with that idea. You cant imagine anyone changing from being a bad person, into a good one. |
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No, you think that all will be forgiven easily and it won't. Katara is not going to just fall for Zuko and I gurantee Sokka wouild not go for it either. He's pretty protective of his sister. And by the way, Zuko is going to be helping Aang, he's going to be doing some serious groveling, and I don't think trying to make off with Katara would help his cause if he's going to help him.
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hahahahaha.. Neither Zuko nor you are changed to "good one". Zuko just found his own "right" way. nothing more. its not about the change of the personality. Maybe Zuko is not the enemy of the Gaang for the next time and maybe he will help them. but its not because he will do it for the "goodness".
beside Zutara was never alive and will never be alive. Zuko doesnt deserve Katara and her love even more after he was running away and let Mai alone surrounded by his enemies.(even Ursa taked a time to speack with her son before she left)
He droped her into the atack line of Azula and Ozai. She is his only girlfriend, who must take Azulas and Ozais revenge atacks instead of Zuko. (even his stupid letter threatens her position just only by the presence) And i dont think that they will be merciful with her(a girl of some random bureaucrat, who was failed in Omachu)
I hope for Mai that she is clever to find a way for surviving of her Family and herself without to loose her own feelings and herself, after Zukolet her and their love behind him.
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| and now, against Mulan. |
wow, that was a random comment without an argment. i dont know how you call such comments in your country but in my its just "awkward remark".
ALLRIGHT
Lets keep it on topic, i dont want this thread closed!
So no more Mulan discussin. OK?
People tend to get off-topic very quickly...
To answer the TT, I think she does love him. It's not always easy so see, but I think she at first loved him only as a (very) good friend, but that changed somewhere at the end of season two (maybe the kiss at the end of The Earth King, maybe when Aang died, idk). In season 3 you can see she is starting to get more interested (the Headband is a good example). One thing I am quite sure of, is that she doesn't love him as he loves her.
Disclaimer: Thats my opinion, don't hate me for that. I didn't say Zutara has no chance, since it has. Also, my grammar might be bad, but that's due to the fact thatEnglish isn't my native language.
If Katara and Zuko do get together (which I honestly can't see happening, but it could), it's going to take some serious forgiveness on the Gaang's part. So many Zutarians think that the second Zuko shows up and explains that he's changed his mind, everyone will forget about what he did to them earlier. He was THIS close *pinches fingers together* to killing Aang. Katara's definitely going to be furious at him for betraying her. You can't just say "I'm sorry" and expect everyone to think that you're suddenly good. Zuko's going to have to earn Katara's trust back, which could take ages. Just look at how much effort it took for her to forgive Jet! And Zuko has done much worse things than Jet did.
This is one of the main reasons I don't think Zutara will happen. There aren't that many episodes left, and so many Zutarians think that all it will take for their ship to sail is for Katara to forgive Zuko, for them to become friends, for Zuko to join the Gaang, and then for their love to bloom.
I just can't see it happening.
| Miss_Katara wrote: |
People tend to get off-topic very quickly... To answer the TT, I think she does love him. It's not always easy so see, but I think she at first loved him only as a (very) good friend, but that changed somewhere at the end of season two (maybe the kiss at the end of The Earth King, maybe when Aang died, idk). In season 3 you can see she is starting to get more interested (the Headband is a good example). One thing I am quite sure of, is that she doesn't love him as he loves her. Disclaimer: Thats my opinion, don't hate me for that. I didn't say Zutara has no chance, since it has. Also, my grammar might be bad, but that's due to the fact thatEnglish isn't my native language. |
| kaybee_2 wrote: |
| If Katara and Zuko do get together (which I honestly can't see happening, but it could), it's going to take some serious forgiveness on the Gaang's part. So many Zutarians think that the second Zuko shows up and explains that he's changed his mind, everyone will forget about what he did to them earlier. He was THIS close *pinches fingers together* to killingAang. Katara's definitely going to be furious at him for betraying her. You can't just say "I'm sorry" and expect everyone to think that you're suddenly good. Zuko's going to have to earn Katara's trust back, which could take ages. Just look at how much effort it took for her to forgive Jet! And Zuko has done much worse things than Jet did. This is one of the main reasons I don't think Zutara will happen. There aren't that many episodes left, and so many Zutarians think that all it will take for their ship to sail is for Katara to forgive Zuko, for them to become friends, for Zuko to join the Gaang, and then for their love to bloom. I just can't see it happening. |
I get what you mean, but don't forget that in that cave in CoD she kind of forgave him, I'm not sure if that would last of if it was just because he said he lost his mom too... but she did it. She offered to heal him with the Spirit Oases water, and she did that after he had hunted them for a long time, ofcourse that doesn't come near to being responsible for Aangs death, but still... She'll be furious, but I think she can forgive him faster then the rest, it's her nature...
He will certainly have a hard time convincing the Gaang to let him help them, and ofcourse he will be looking for his mom too, so there goes another (few) episode(s). Katara and Zuko might become friends, but I really doubt it will be more than that.
At tomtitan, thanks, I'm doing my best to master English.
| hoj1 wrote: |
hahahahaha.. Neither Zuko nor you are changed to "good one". Zuko just found his own "right" way. nothing more. its not about the change of the personality. Maybe Zuko is not the enemy of the Gaang for the next time and maybe he will help them. but its not because he will do it for the "goodness". |
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Zuko doesnt oppose the firenation. He does oppose politics of his father and sister. Therefore heis going tohelp the Avatarin the fight against Ozai. Zuko doesnt see that the war is ethicaly wrong.(if he did, then he were going to kill Ozai and Azula.)He justdoes see thatinvasion and destroying of other nations is bad not only for others but for firenation itself too.(whole world) Zuko wants to bring the balance back andnot to destroy his own land.
Zuko doesnt deserve forgiveness. maybe he will be acsepted by the Gaang as the theacher of Aang(or their helper) but its not equal to "forgiveness and friendship".
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Zuko doesnt oppose the firenation. He does oppose politics of his father and sister. Therefore heis going tohelp the Avatarin the fight against Ozai. Zuko doesnt see that the war is ethicaly wrong.(if he did, then he were going to kill Ozai and Azula.)He justdoes see thatinvasion and destroying of other nations is bad not only for others but for firenation itself too.(whole world) Zuko wants to bring the balance back andnot to destroy his own land. Zuko doesnt deserve forgiveness. maybe he will be acsepted by the Gaang as the theacher of Aang(or their helper) but its not equal to "forgiveness and friendship". |
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and he said himself that he didn't want to kill ozai, defeating him is the avatar's job. he understands that it's the avatar's destiny to restore balance to the world. and as for whether or not zuko deserves to be forgiven, that's not really up to you, is it? if the writers didn't think he was worthy of redemption, they probably wouldn't have wasted all that time on his development in season two. |
| Atu_1 wrote: |
| Zuko will possibly earn his forgiveness then he'll become friends with the rest of the Gaang. We might find out about Katara's feelings towards Aang in the next episode or two, but the moments might just keep getting interrupted. |
Zuko will, but I think it won't be easy seeing what he did before...
I think you're right about kataang, the writers probably keep doing that until the end... though I hope they won't be interrupted.
| Atu_1 wrote: |
| Zuko will possibly earn his forgiveness then he'll become friends with the rest of the Gaang. |
I'm confused as to why several of you are saying Zuko isn't against the war. He said rather clearly to his father that the world hated the Fire Nation and that it was time for an age of peace. Now unless I'm missing some memo that everyone else got, that. Zuko is stating he is against the war.
As for whether he is "good" or not, it remains to be seen. It could be argued either way that Zuko is/was always good or that he's now just turning good, or that he's still an anti-hero pursuing his own goals. Regardless, he's now against the main villain even if he still plays a role as an antagonist to Aangor as a friend/ally ofAang.
---I'm confused as to why several of you are saying Zuko isn't against the war.---
here is my point; If Zuko were against the war, then he killed Ozai in DOBS. (remember; Zuko can do it like Ozai did it before. he just need to kill Ozai and to take the FN-throne. then he can stop the war. Even Azula cant take his place without the civil war.)
Zuko isnt against the war because he doesnt want to stop it. "stop the war" will not stop the firenation people to dream about new invasions in the future.(and there are only the north water tribe and north air temple, wich are not in the hands of the fire nation) At the end it will not bring the Balance back.
Zuko wants his father to "loose the war in a fight". He wants a new situation, where Firenation can reconceive it own history, role of the firelord in the world and how firenation do propagate and see their invasions into and genocide of other nations. Zuko wants to bring the Avatar back into the position of last moral instance in the firenation.
"to loose the war" and "to be against the war" are very different things..
---As for whether he is "good" or not, it remains to be seen. It could be argued either way that Zuko is/was always good or that he's now just turning good, or that he's still an anti-hero pursuing his own goals. Regardless, he's now against the main villain even if he still plays a role as an antagonist to Aangor as a friend/ally ofAang.---
same here. Even Zuko can became a second Hama, who teached Katara bloodbending by tourture and cruelty.
